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Fedor Emelianenko
Current Pride Fighting heavyweight champ! Which is what some consider the best of the best. I do...
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Current Pride Fighting heavyweight champ! Which is what some consider the best of the best. I do...
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Rickson Gracie was 480-0 btw! But you have to consider that he knew did was Jiu-Jitsu...
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Styles make fights and every fight starts out standing up...
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Djimbe
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Wang Shu Jiin .
Only man ever to have a standing Challenge to ANYONE to hit him anywhere they liked save scarring his face . Challenged anyone in the world on Japanese tele , too . john Blumbing broke his hand just hitting him . had over 100 takers , no losses , all in public .
And this was in the 60's , not some far off Century .
Only man ever to have a standing Challenge to ANYONE to hit him anywhere they liked save scarring his face . Challenged anyone in the world on Japanese tele , too . john Blumbing broke his hand just hitting him . had over 100 takers , no losses , all in public .
And this was in the 60's , not some far off Century .
bkc said:
haha....i don't think so...that's funny you looked him up...i just remember him getting his ass beat in ufc 2. maybe the most pathetic fight ever in ufc. his name has always stuck in my head because his first initial with his last name spell "fettish".....i was bangin' a dominatrix back then so i always thought that that was funny
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Djimbe said:
When it comes to MMA, thats light years ago. There is little doubt in my mind that the best fighter of all time is competing now, and there will be better fighters to come. This sport just evolves so fast. Bruce Lee? Chuck Norris? You have got to be kidding me.
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MikeMartial
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megamania500 said:
LOL. Seagal is just a fat wife beater.
But Chuck Norris! Fuck! I mean, HE is THE Man. Proof:
The Ever-Popular Chuck Norris Facts
Djimbe
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Tony I dont believe that MMA is the best wqay to "Fight" nor do I believe that its top echelon of combatants represent the top level of H2H skill that you can achieve . Thats not to take anything away from them , they are quite good , some unequivocally but many just within their Ruleset .
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Djimbe said:
I agree.
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Thats to much of a question. They all contibuted something in someway.
I give credit to bruce lee because he was one of the first to come out and preach that not one style/disipline was the "best". He also was a major role in bringing martial arts to america.
They are all legends and deserve much respect in MHO.
I give credit to bruce lee because he was one of the first to come out and preach that not one style/disipline was the "best". He also was a major role in bringing martial arts to america.
They are all legends and deserve much respect in MHO.
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Djimbe said:
Thats how I see it too. If you took some kung-fu guy like Bruce Lee in his prime and put him up against a modern MMA fighter like Matt Hughes is there really any doubt who would win? Lee might have contributed a lot to the sport, is an inspiration, blah blah blah, but in a no holds barred fight he's not going to stand a chance.
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Anthony Starks said:
And the argument rages on. I agree that Bruce Lee wouldn't do well against Matt Hughes in a no-holds-barred fight if you look at their expertise and experience. However, Bruce Lee once stated that in an actual street fight the first thing he would go for is the eyes. With Hughes so used to fighting by MMA rules, I wonder if Bruce would be able to get in a good eye poke that he professed to rely on, and damage one of Hughes eyes bad enough to get an advantage. Remember, Big John Macarthy isn't refereeing this street fight, so everything goes. And Bruce would resort to throwing dirt from the ground into Hughes eyes, also.
Hughes has an advantage though, in he knows what Lee's gameplan would be. On the other hand, if Lee was taken from his prime, like transported in a time machine to present time and put in the middle of an alley where Hughes also was, Lee wouldn't have any knowledge whatsoever of Hughes fighting style. That would put Hughes at a pretty good advantage right from the start.
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booby said:
He lost to Tito Ortiz and Vitor Belfort in the UFC. This was the fight that made Vitor Belfort famous because he rushed in and pummelled Wanderlei with a crapload of punches and drove Wanderlei into the fence, where he went down and got pummelled until the fight was stopped. If your familiar with Vitor, you know which fight I'm mentioning here. It took no more than a few seconds before it was over. That was several years back.
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booby said:
Yeah, Pride has high quality fighters, but UFC is on a higher level IMO.
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megamania500 said:
Dude , Bruce Lee had NO Fights as an Adult , only 2 years of Instruction , and was basically a Yard Tard that weighed in at a buck forty . Hughes would rip him in half no matter where they were , and Hughes grew up on a Farm , Im sure he knows how to sling Mud . Lee never HAD a "Prime" except in his Movies , and in Legends .
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Djimbe said:
Actually, my point was that it is supposed to be a street fight. Earlier posts here made it sound like some people equate MMA with street fighting. They are two different things. although I do think your average MMA fighter would do better in a street fight than any other athlete from a different sport.
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1392477 said:
Although we will probably never really know, I'd say he was the hardest hitting fighter---ever.
It'd be interesting to line up all the famous fighters from past and present, and get a psi reading on their punches (and kicks, if applicable)
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Djimbe said:
I agree, and I was being generous picking a MMA fighter at 170 - imagine Lee fighting Arloski or Sylvia. MMA is pretty close to a street fight, unless you are talking about weapons and then this is a completely useless thread.
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People are gonna' disagree, but based on this criterion:
I'd pick Tank Abbot. I'm thinking bar scene type fight, not squaring off, touching gloves, w/ some room to maneuver. I'm thinking out of the blue, you bump shoulders w/ someone in a crowded bar, and it turns out to be Tank . . . his size, power, and rhino-style punching would pretty much murder anyone, given those circumstances.
I'd pick Tank Abbot. I'm thinking bar scene type fight, not squaring off, touching gloves, w/ some room to maneuver. I'm thinking out of the blue, you bump shoulders w/ someone in a crowded bar, and it turns out to be Tank . . . his size, power, and rhino-style punching would pretty much murder anyone, given those circumstances.
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Protobuilder said:
Tank Abbot is a big fat joke - Chuck Lidell is a better puncher and Tim Sylvia is a much bigger sized guy if thats what you're looking for. Didn't you see the Abbot v Belfort fight? Abbot is good at beating up "toughman" type fighters - not MMA professional athletes.
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I'd like to see what happened if Tank Abbot bumped shoulders in a bar with Tyson.
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Anthony Starks said:
i think Chuck could smack Tim if he dosent get cought with the big one, but then again i really dont like silvia and hope he loses this week
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megamania500 said:
i've always thought this reasoning is funny...like these guys are great fighters in the ring/cage but some guy with some secret street fight knowledge is going to kick their ass. just because guys are mma trained do you really think that they don't know how to bite, eye gouge, fish hook, break small joints, kick nuts, etc.?
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Ruca said:
Hence, the reason why I wrote this sentence: "although I do think your average MMA fighter would do better in a street fight than any other athlete from a different sport."
You must not have seen it.
In an all out street fight? no weapons? no rules? I would beat them all. Sure they're all great fighters, but they have no heart. I know what it's like to get knocked breathless then get up and run a quarter mile down the road to catch the person who knocked me down by surprise.
Seriously though, nobody can really make an accurate prediction to this question. I would watch out for the kung fu guy though, scratches chokes and bites can kill. Primal instincts for the win.
Seriously though, nobody can really make an accurate prediction to this question. I would watch out for the kung fu guy though, scratches chokes and bites can kill. Primal instincts for the win.
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Wanderlei Silva
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Wow, I would think people on a MMA forum would be more educated. An actor is #2 on your all time list?!? If you're going to vote for Bruce Lee, might as well vote for Sly Stallone, Van Damn, and Segal while you're at it. Hell, why not Brad Pitt too?
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Anthony Starks said:
I think a Fight between Hughes and Lee would turn out bad for Lee because Lee was NEVER ANY good at ANY MA ! Make it against Chan and I think it might be a different Affair altogether . Im not saying Chan would be GUARANTEED any sort of Victory , but it should at least be more Fair against a person with a Lifetime of Training like Chan or Li , and not a few Years here and there with a lot of "PracticeAtHome" like Bruce .
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Umm , Dude, Bruce was slow as hell . Most Wing CHun men can do ANY of his Parlour Tricks that were designed to make him LOOK fast on camera including myself and I weigh in at 405 . And if you slow down the framerates of the camera youll see that guys with long term training can do them faster . This was actually proven by a Jamaican Ex-Patriot in Germany whom happen to have acces to the same kind of Camera Equipment that Lee used to use . Lee was only percieved as "Fast" because the Cameras of the day shot at such slow Framerates . The guy was able to CLEARLY punch a hole in a wall between the space of two Frames and look like he hadnt moved one Iota . Trying the same thing with a 60FPS camera yeilded different results entirely .
Oh , and speed means DICK when youre 135 lbs , sorry to say . Especially if your Opponent has ANY kind of Jointlocking or Grappling ability whatsoever . Gene Lebelle carried Bruce around on his shoulders like a CHILD while Bruce threatened to KILL him , swatting the boy on his ass and laughing ther whole time . And Judo Gene isnt exactly known for his "Lightning Speed" , heh .
Amateurs have this perverted Isea that life is like some Video game where a 100 lb person ios going to just "Run Circles Around" a 300+ lber and its just Phantasy . LOOK at the 40 times of NFL Linemen and youyll see that at short distance BIG men are FAST - Entirely capable of cracking the skull of anyone smaller . you not going to be facing Frankenstein's Monster when youre up against a muscular Bigger man . And youre NOT going to be able to "Dance Circles Around Them" either .
Oh , and speed means DICK when youre 135 lbs , sorry to say . Especially if your Opponent has ANY kind of Jointlocking or Grappling ability whatsoever . Gene Lebelle carried Bruce around on his shoulders like a CHILD while Bruce threatened to KILL him , swatting the boy on his ass and laughing ther whole time . And Judo Gene isnt exactly known for his "Lightning Speed" , heh .
Amateurs have this perverted Isea that life is like some Video game where a 100 lb person ios going to just "Run Circles Around" a 300+ lber and its just Phantasy . LOOK at the 40 times of NFL Linemen and youyll see that at short distance BIG men are FAST - Entirely capable of cracking the skull of anyone smaller . you not going to be facing Frankenstein's Monster when youre up against a muscular Bigger man . And youre NOT going to be able to "Dance Circles Around Them" either .
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^^^Don't mind him. It's his goal in life to try and dis-credit Bruce Lee and everything he stood for till the bitter end 
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when some human can move their hands or feet at the rate of a Bow or a Gun then you can bring Ballistics into this .
Oh , and Speed is NOT Power , POWER is defined as the rate of work done upon an Object . a guy thats under 150 is only going to QUICKLY have little-to-no Effect in a fight against a 300+ lber at the same Fitness level .
You read ONE FLIPPANT LINE in my post and totally ignored the rest of it . You think your grasp of Physics is bettter than mine ? PLEASE lay out the workings of the Univrse for us then . And Ill be happy to break DOWN why Bruce Lee was (wisely) afraid to fight when he was alive .
Oh , and Speed is NOT Power , POWER is defined as the rate of work done upon an Object . a guy thats under 150 is only going to QUICKLY have little-to-no Effect in a fight against a 300+ lber at the same Fitness level .
You read ONE FLIPPANT LINE in my post and totally ignored the rest of it . You think your grasp of Physics is bettter than mine ? PLEASE lay out the workings of the Univrse for us then . And Ill be happy to break DOWN why Bruce Lee was (wisely) afraid to fight when he was alive .
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You know what, I'm not going to get technical with you over this. You said that speed wasn't power, and I responded, nothing more!
My goal isn't to argue over Bruce Lee, I made a comment and stick to it, and like I said you made yours!
I can sit here and tell stories about those little old masters who I have seen do things with unbelievable speed, but I don't want this to get into an argue session!
May I ask what your backround is in the Martial Arts?
Mine-- Starting boxing in 1968, moved on to Tae Kwon Do in 1971, Later in the 70's Judo, Ju-Jitsu and Hapkido. Followed TKD to 4thdan and currently teach as a private instructor!
My goal isn't to argue over Bruce Lee, I made a comment and stick to it, and like I said you made yours!
I can sit here and tell stories about those little old masters who I have seen do things with unbelievable speed, but I don't want this to get into an argue session!
May I ask what your backround is in the Martial Arts?
Mine-- Starting boxing in 1968, moved on to Tae Kwon Do in 1971, Later in the 70's Judo, Ju-Jitsu and Hapkido. Followed TKD to 4thdan and currently teach as a private instructor!
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..the japanese guy who beat the Gracie fighters in 4 consecutive fights
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...or Fedor
sakurai is who ur referring to and thats a definate no wanderlei knocked him out
i think vitor belfort should be on this list he is and awsome stricker with rediculously fast and had very good power.
but im gonna say fedor or crop cop and tyson would be very dangerous cause of therey speed with one hit knock out power.
i think vitor belfort should be on this list he is and awsome stricker with rediculously fast and had very good power.
but im gonna say fedor or crop cop and tyson would be very dangerous cause of therey speed with one hit knock out power.
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sdneves said:
Silva??
Well......the Gracie fights were 10-12 years ago, correct??
Wander got his ass handed to him by Ortiz
So..you cant judge a fighter by ONE loss imo
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Speed may not be power, but if you can strike the other guys throat before he can hit you, then its a walk in the park after that. done it, and seen it many times.
I also poked an eye too before the guy was on me, and that had him sore and surprised. You cant train for that surprise. drugs may stop the pain though, but you cant discount speed if its aimed at the throat. If you dont believe it, get someone to 'tap' your throat with a knife edge chop, just lightly. you move away pretty fast. with speed you do hit em hard and following up with other hits, they are screwed.
I never voted, too many variables. Dirty tricks are forever!
I also poked an eye too before the guy was on me, and that had him sore and surprised. You cant train for that surprise. drugs may stop the pain though, but you cant discount speed if its aimed at the throat. If you dont believe it, get someone to 'tap' your throat with a knife edge chop, just lightly. you move away pretty fast. with speed you do hit em hard and following up with other hits, they are screwed.
I never voted, too many variables. Dirty tricks are forever!
marvelous54
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Rickson Gracie hands down. He would whip the piss out of anyone on that list in a street fight!
Saintinistic
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I agree with the Mark Hunt inclusion. Mark Hunt is fucken crazy. He would eat most people, literally, to fuel his rage. Crazy South Auckland boy. Hitting them Samoan's in the head just makes them more sociopathic.
Saintinistic
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Such is the way of the Samoan.
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Only one fighter is referred to as "The Greatest", and that is the former Cassius Clay.
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Djimbe said:
you mean what alternate universe right?....because Fedor would sleepwalk through that fight on any of the known supermasses astronomers have observed to date.
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redsamurai said:
Or Bruce Lee for that matter. After all, he has the second most votes on this poll, leading me to believe there are a lot of people on this board with either no fighting experience, no common sense, or both. I can just see Lee's tiny little anorexic body breaking in two with one of Fedor's punches.
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Carlson Gracie Without a doubt.
This is what wiki said about him
Carlson Gracie trained many top competitors such as Allan Góes, Murilo Bustamante, Mario Sperry, Wallid Ismail, Andre Pederneiras, Ricardo Liborio, and was also responsible for introducing and mastering Vitor Belfort into Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. Carlson Gracie also trained Stephan Bonnar, a finalist in the UFC reality show The Ultimate Fighter
He was not only a great fighter but a great teacher. How many of these other fighters could pass on their knowledge and create champions?
This is what wiki said about him
Carlson Gracie trained many top competitors such as Allan Góes, Murilo Bustamante, Mario Sperry, Wallid Ismail, Andre Pederneiras, Ricardo Liborio, and was also responsible for introducing and mastering Vitor Belfort into Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. Carlson Gracie also trained Stephan Bonnar, a finalist in the UFC reality show The Ultimate Fighter
He was not only a great fighter but a great teacher. How many of these other fighters could pass on their knowledge and create champions?
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indyjones said:
Dude, he is not even the best Gracie, let alone the best fighter in the world. This thread isn't about who the best teacher is, thats completely irrelevant.
Longhorn85 your statement is fundamentally correct.Longhorn85 said:
The quondam (quondam means former) Cassius Marcellus Clay is presently known as Muhammed Ali and was named "Fighter of the Year" (not boxer of the year) by RING MAGAZINE more times than any other fighter.
Muhammed Ali, the "former Cassius Clay" was involved in more RING MAGAZINE "Fight of the Year " bouts than any other fighter.
He is regarded as the greatest Heavyweight champion of all time.
Your post does not suggest at all that Cassius Clay is deceased.
You did not say the "late" Cassius Clay.
You said "the former Cassius Clay". You were and still are absolutely right to say "the former Cassius Clay".
The header to this thread reads: The Greatest Fighter of all time.
Muhammed Ali (the former Cassius Clay), Mike Tyson and George Foreman are on this list.
They are boxers. Boxing is fighting with the fists. Boxers ARE fighters.
I found the post immediately subsequent to your's, #72, to be nothing but pejorative, obfuscating tripe, and unjustifiably so.
I can only think that you chose to ignore the self-righteous oaf's remarks probably for the same reason that I ignore just about everything.
OBESITY POLLUTES THE AESTHETIC ENVIRONMENT- Cloris Leachman 1975.
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AzaThoth said:
Ring Magazine is a boxing magazine - what non-boxing fighters have won awards in there? And are you really ignorant enough to think that any boxer, let alone one from another time where conditioning and diet were far behind would be able to hold there own in a no holds barred fight?
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The winner here would have to be well rounded in approach. Just boxing in itself doesnt cut it unless its a boxing match.
Some of the best fightersI have seen locally are in jail now, and probably will stay there due to continued violent acts against humanity. Not poster boys for the fighting arts, but violent technicians to the point of insanity. Not asthetically pleasing to the eye, but they are effective in survival.
Better suited to battlefields of Rome than rings. but not boxing, no, not on its own. there has to be more
Some of the best fightersI have seen locally are in jail now, and probably will stay there due to continued violent acts against humanity. Not poster boys for the fighting arts, but violent technicians to the point of insanity. Not asthetically pleasing to the eye, but they are effective in survival.
Better suited to battlefields of Rome than rings. but not boxing, no, not on its own. there has to be more
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Tyson would get owned if the fight ever went to the mat.
But, stand up.....Better watch your ass. I don't care who it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMrYmshl82Y&mode=related&search= \
But, stand up.....Better watch your ass. I don't care who it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMrYmshl82Y&mode=related&search= \
Post number 42 is one of nine posts that you have made on this thread.Anthony Starks said:
Post #42 by anthony starks: "Wow, I would think people on a MMA forum would be more educated".
Quote: And are you ignorant enough to think that any boxer...would hold their own in (a no holds barred fight)?
"A no holds barred fight"??
The first post on this thread is "Who gets your vote.This is in a NO RULES, BARE KNUCKLE, all out STREETFIGHT"...
This thread IS NOT about NHB (no holds barred).
You ARE NOT going to make this thread about NHB.
AND, you ARE NOT going to make my post about NHB.
You misread post number one.
You misread my post.
My post means exactly what I wrote.
Longhorn85 said "Only one fighter is referred to as "The Greatest", and that is the former Cassius Clay".
I don't care if he was being serious or if he said it in jest.
I said that his statement is fundamentally correct and IT IS!
Go ahead, Google "the greatest". Only one name comes up from this list, Muhammed Ali, "the former Cassius Clay".
Longhorn85's post is a verifiable statement.
It is substantiated by historical data. It is documented.
It is exactly what I said it is.
The stipulation from post number one makes the title of this thread "The Greatest Fighter of all time", purely speculative, non historic and not applicable.
The first guy on the list is dead.
Since you facetiously mentioned "condition and diet" of the older individuals on this list you might want to explain to the "uneducated" what kind of a nutrition and training program the dead follow.
Quote: Ring Magazine is a boxing magazine - what non-boxing fighters are in there?
Your sarcasm is a poorly disguised insinuation BUT you still had to use the word "fighters" to get it said.
How delightfully ironic.
Fighters is the key word.
RING MAGAZINE is a fighters magazine.
It makes perfect sense to me and to anyone that reads on an adult level that a fighters magazine about boxing does not feature non-boxers.
It is because you have the comprehensive reading skills of a ten year old that you're too ignorant to know that my post IS NOT about boxing either.
It's about "the greatest".
Now that I have educated you, "End Of Discussion", ( and for the reading impaired that means "End Of Discussion".)
WOW, I WOULD THINK THAT PEOPLE ON A MMA FORUM WOULD BE MORE EDUCATED - anthony starks
Anthony Starks
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wow, looks like someone got picked on a little too much in high school... 
redsamurai
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stupid topic to begin with......should not have gone this many pages. I mean.....bruce lee is getting most of the votes?? Seriously? Who's seen Bruce fight legitimately? I've seen no tapes of bruce lee fighting someone for real......ever!! Not saying the guy couldn't fight.....but just because he intro'd chinese martial arts to america does not make him the greatest ever. You can't compare half these people who are choices. Ali?....greatest boxer yes, fighter? Did he fight MMA fights that I don't know about? Can you compare him with fedor? I mean....it's just a pedantic discussion. A more apt topic would be "who's YOUR favorite fighter of all time in any discipline?".......in which case I would probably still pick Fedor...
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I think the most annoying thing about the thread is that people still keep picking Bruce Lee in the poll (bumping the thread to the top in the process) but leaving no explanation for their choice. At least have the balls to back it up.
Why isnt there a Kung Fu Grasshopper style expert as one of the choices, those kung fu cats are tough.
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goal200 said:
Hello, Silva was beaten by Vitor Belfort in a fight, which, to this day is a part of every mma highlight reel and Tito dominated him for three rounds of his own. Granted, Silva is a much better fighter at this point in his career and The UFC talent stable is a little weak in his weight class, but then again.....did you see the beating CroCop gave him recently?
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newfoundpower said:
Agreed, Silva is good, but hes not the best in his weight class now, let alone all time.
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tin2 said:
Its a list with George Foreman, Chuck Norris, and Bruce Lee on it and you want to bash Gracies?
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wait , WTF is wrong with George ?
No offense intended , but pull your heads out , kids . George would have been deadly trained in ANY ruleset . He was one of the most Devestating boxers - hell , HITTERS - OF ALL TIME , and its a discipline at least respected on SOME level by everyone thats serious about Fighting . You have to remember that this is a guy that TOOK a world championship back TWO DECADES after he won it the FIRST time . Hes one of the smartest fighters alive , and frankly if he took a lil Jits Id say that hed be out there schooling youngsters in MMA matches next year .
No offense intended , but pull your heads out , kids . George would have been deadly trained in ANY ruleset . He was one of the most Devestating boxers - hell , HITTERS - OF ALL TIME , and its a discipline at least respected on SOME level by everyone thats serious about Fighting . You have to remember that this is a guy that TOOK a world championship back TWO DECADES after he won it the FIRST time . Hes one of the smartest fighters alive , and frankly if he took a lil Jits Id say that hed be out there schooling youngsters in MMA matches next year .
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Djimbe said:
Well, he's not even the best boxer of all time by anyone's estimation that knows about boxing, so how can he be the best fighter overall? I still think his comeback was fixed, either that of the talent level in boxing was really low at the time, but thats kind of besides the point.
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Oh I'd love to see Georgie roll.......I'd wet my pants. But honestly, put the MMA gloves on and fedor would roll even Ali. Tyson is the only pure boxer that I would say could have made it in MMA if his sprawl got real good. I don't even want to think what would happen to someone if Mike caught em with the MMA gloves. Still the sickest puncher of all time. George had to wind up his power......Mike had it on tap from the guard, completely different.
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