This is what makes politics so frustrating....

[mrplunkey]

One could argue that pipefitting o-rings is a unionizable trade skill. With the right lawyers I'm sure Plunky could unionize.

The irony here is that an open field pipe fitting job requires a lot more discretion and judgement than a routine primary hip or knee with no comorbidities.

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[redsamurai]

What Chris and I are referring to is how all forms of price-fixing except big labor-approved ones are deemed illegal.

- If pipefitters in an area decide they aren't going to work for less than $X per hour, it's considered protected, concerted activity.

up to a point right? They can try to renegotiate what they may consider a bad deal and the company has to listen to them instead of just firing them on the spot. Basically saying fuck you we've got 100k people to take your jobs. That's how it's worked in China and the permanent ngr class that system breeds is self evident. There is a point though where the arbitrator can tell the union they've overstepped and any further refusals on their part could result in them being mass fired and nothing will happen to the company. It's actually quite fair.


- If orthopedic surgeons in an area decide they aren't going to do a knee replacement for less than $Y per case, they get indicted for anti-trust violations and sent to federal prison.


Isn't that price fixing? And also, doesn't insurance have a dog in that fight? Can you imagine what a handful of Dr's like that could do to local business's policies? Plus we are talking about healthcare, not fitting pipe's together. There's just certain aspects of the free market that Dr's have to understand they don't have access to. It's the whole thing about being a "Dr" of medicine. Don't be a Dr if you couldn't give a fuck. Simple as that. I see your overall point though, some unions in this country have gone way way way overboard and you're right...the payoffs to the democratic party have insured that they don't get checked. The notion that Unionization overall is a socialistic evil is utter rubbish though. A simple glance back at history as well as looking at what's going on in other countries with their non unionized labor force is all that is necessary.

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[mrplunkey]

up to a point right? They can try to renegotiate what they may consider a bad deal and the company has to listen to them instead of just firing them on the spot. Basically saying fuck you we've got 100k people to take your jobs. That's how it's worked in China and the permanent ngr class that system breeds is self evident. There is a point though where the arbitrator can tell the union they've overstepped and any further refusals on their part could result in them being mass fired and nothing will happen to the company. It's actually quite fair.

No, pipefitters get even better deals than that. For example if you want to build a plant in Illinois, you're going to get a building permit in no less than 2-3 years unless you sign a master agreement with the the state's unions. That means you're locked-into union labor, which in turn means your only option are the pipefitters, boilermakers, teamsters, etc. etc. So its far better than ordinary protected, concerted activity -- it's a monopoly on labor.

Isn't that price fixing? And also, doesn't insurance have a dog in that fight? Can you imagine what a handful of Dr's like that could do to local business's policies? Plus we are talking about healthcare, not fitting pipe's together. There's just certain aspects of the free market that Dr's have to understand they don't have access to. It's the whole thing about being a "Dr" of medicine. Don't be a Dr if you couldn't give a fuck. Simple as that. I see your overall point though, some unions in this country have gone way way way overboard and you're right...the payoffs to the democratic party have insured that they don't get checked. The notion that Unionization overall is a socialistic evil is utter rubbish though. A simple glance back at history as well as looking at what's going on in other countries with their non unionized labor force is all that is necessary.

Of course it is price fixing. Unionized labor scales are all price fixing.

And you're saying that simply because doctors are supposed to care, they shouldn't be eligible to engage in protected, concerted activity under the National Labor Relations Act? I sure hope that pipefitter working on the cooling lines of a nuclear power plant cares as well.

 

[TableFun]

Because it's healthcare there's some "moral fucking obligation" #waveshandsaroundinfrenzy

 

[mrplunkey]

Because it's healthcare there's some "moral fucking obligation" #waveshandsaroundinfrenzy

Odd how a doctor in charge of a patient's life can't unionize, but a pilot who is responsible for 250 lives at a time can.

 

[Dial_tone]

That's pretty close to my views as well.

Who knows, we may be the new majority!

Oh no you didn't?

 

[mrplunkey]

Oh no you didn't?

Oh, I went there.

The notion that there is some vanilla white pool that constitutes the majority anymore is just nonsense. We're all mixed -- I know for sure I am.

 

[jackangel]

Boats and Hoes

shut the fuck up.

 

[redsamurai]

Oh no you didn't?

lmfao

 

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Im doing my part to make us all olive skinned, I married a mexican