LOW DOSE: Basic explanation of methyl liver metabolism?

[Nelson Montana]

Thanks. In the meantime I found some good explanations of why what yuz guys are saying is true about suppression and low dose test, which presumably would be the same for Orals too.

If this is the case, then what's up with these herbal test boosters? If they work, then they slightly raise T, which would have this same suppression with little benefit problem.

I know some of you say, I know! That's why I go aas. But others of you take these and some sell them.

Can anyone explain to me why herbals that raise T a bit (assuming some do) would not be counterproductive to take stand alone rather than Ptc?

It depends on the test booster. UNLEASHED lowers SHBH which in turn increases the bioavailability of the test you already have in your system. So more T is active but there isn;t any exogenous T added, so, there's no suppression.

 

[Planteater]

yes unleashed is interesting that way, if it works in that way, but what about all the others, including HCGenerate?
if they raise T a little, and actually work a little, then wouldn't that be as bad as low dose AAS?

And if the answer is, they raise T so little that suppression cant happen or is easily rebounded from, then wouldn't it be possible to dose Test at these very low levels?

I still dont get how these test boosters could be good at all, given the logic just presented on low dose AAS.

 

[RickRock13]

Thanks. In the meantime I found some good explanations of why what yuz guys are saying is true about suppression and low dose test, which presumably would be the same for Orals too.

If this is the case, then what's up with these herbal test boosters? If they work, then they slightly raise T, which would have this same suppression with little benefit problem.

I know some of you say, I know! That's why I go aas. But others of you take these and some sell them.

Can anyone explain to me why herbals that raise T a bit (assuming some do) would not be counterproductive to take stand alone rather than Ptc?

This is a common misconception among people about testosterone. When taking testosterone from an outside source like AAS, it is exogenous, meaning not coming from your body. That is why it is suppressive, since your body senses the outside source and shuts off its own production since its not needed.

When running a herbal test booster, the opposite happens. Test boosters send signals to your body for it to produce more endogenous testosterone (testosterone within your body produced naturally). So, in response to the signal your body produces more to give higher test levels instead of shutting it down like with AAS....the opposite of suppression.

 

[Headholio]

This is a common misconception among people about testosterone. When taking testosterone from an outside source like AAS, it is exogenous, meaning not coming from your body. That is why it is suppressive, since your body senses the outside source and shuts off its own production since its not needed.

When running a herbal test booster, the opposite happens. Test boosters send signals to your body for it to produce more endogenous testosterone (testosterone within your body produced naturally). So, in response to the signal your body produces more to give higher test levels instead of shutting it down like with AAS....the opposite of suppression.

This.

 

[Planteater]

Thanks, that helps a lot.

But once the extra test is there, doesn't the body respond by making less?

 

[Headholio]

Thanks, that helps a lot.

But once the extra test is there, doesn't the body respond by making less?

Not if there is a signal for it to make more. But yeah there could be competing reactions going on.

It's true that all the feedback loops and regulation of normal levels is complicated. Lots of stuff can happen that's much more complex than these simple explanations.

In general, things that are shown to work are how you know what works. Trying to logically plot your way though it, is dangerous.

 

[Planteater]

Well it's only dangerous if your logic leads you to do something that is very different than what experience has proven reliable. But i think it is helpful to try and get the best understanding possible considering ones level of intelligence. Mine is low (although i have no bloodwork to prove it).

Of course I started the thread with something experienced people are not doing I.e. low dose aas. But I'm definitely not going to do anything against the grain based on my bro logic, that's why I am here.

BTW I really appreciate the answers here. I didn't get flamed once yet! I've never seen that happen on a bb forum before. I almost can't believe you are willing to talk to me about this.

So... Right it gets complicated since theoretically it's possible that the body adapts to a repeated signal from the OTC test boosters, which would also happen in the presence of slightly high T that might lead to another factor in favor of reduced endogenous production, and still the whole thing would be not as bad as Exo T, nor as good for that matter.

I still am not seeing much of a benefit to OTC t boosters then, because its hard to believe that the herbal signal to repeat production could outweigh the effect of slightly raised T which was said to be such a bad thing re low dose aas, unless the herbals boosted t so slightly but then what's the point?

Note this very different than thinking about it PCT, which I get. Just the libido alone is worth it.

I wonder if those dinky transdermal T patches on TV, which must provide low dose t I imagine, have any use in bb if combined with the herbal repeat signal of OTC boosters.