Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I'm 19 years old (yes I know, way too young to have tried steroids) and was running an 8 week cycle of test prop 100mg eod. I was suspicious about the legitimacy of the prop so I went and had bloodwork done. My results came back and showed that I had very low T while ON cycle. This doesn't make any sense.. How could this LOWER my test levels? I think I may have been sold deca or something and completely ripped off. Are my natural test levels screwed forever now and have to be placed on TRT? I'm extremely worried about my future and It would be devastating to be placed on TRT at 19. I was fine before cycle, now I feel terrible. Half asleep all day, no libido, little to no appetite... All of this while I'm supposedly taking "test prop". I stopped taking everything last night assuming it was all unknown bs. Am I likely to recover my testosterone levels back to normal like they were before?
Am I screwed?
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Evan Tipps
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No dude. Youre 19. Youll bounce back FINE. Most vets on here did the same shit you just did once in their life.. It happens. Now you know better. Libido is all in your mind as well
Idobehigh
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This is why we tell people to not to steriods at a young age. Don't waste your money on a doctor order a pct ASAP and start the day you receive
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If you were taking 100mg of Test Prop eod and had bloods showing you had low Testosterone then you have 2 problems.
1) You should get your doctor to help you get back to a normal level.
2) That Test Prop was nothing but grape seed oil. You got bunk gear.
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1) You should get your doctor to help you get back to a normal level.
2) That Test Prop was nothing but grape seed oil. You got bunk gear.
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Seeing doctor today.
I'm just confused as to how grapeseed oil would suppress my test levels so badly?
need to see your LH to give you a definate answer.
your doctor is not gonna help you on this, he could make things worse though. doctors are not taught about AAS in med school, they have zero clue... you might as well ask some random person at walmart what to do than ask a doc
if it was 90% grapeseed oil, and 10% actual gear then it makes sense it would still suppress your natural test to 0 and give you a slight increase in foreign test showing up
I am 99.9999 sure that your shit is underdosed bigtime. either that or your not reading your blood results correctly.
in any event just stop everything and stop being a stupid kid. run a bottle or two of phyto-serms (see my signature below for the banner and use those kids for a discount) and be done with it and stop trying to take short cuts in life.
Even if he was only taking 150mg week of test due to underdosed gear his test levels wouldnt be in the toilet if he got labs done within a few days of ending cycle.
Id say just take some natural test boosting supps and wait it out. Your likely wasting money at the doc.
On a side note, if you cant get PCT then you likely cant get estrogen control either, so why the hell are you even using AAS?
Id say just take some natural test boosting supps and wait it out. Your likely wasting money at the doc.
On a side note, if you cant get PCT then you likely cant get estrogen control either, so why the hell are you even using AAS?
SinisterUproar
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I can't even.... I can't
Yes ^^^^ Kids do some insanely stupid shit.....like Use AAS and have no way to get PCT. What the fuck are you thinking?
That sounds awfully theoretical, how do you know for certain that such a small dose of synthetic test would shut down my natural levels ?
Also, my doctor said the synthetic testosterone would not show up on the blood work and that only my natural test levels would appear (extremely suppressed) which was to be expected because of the test prop shutting down my natural levels. Turns out my gear was probably legit.
I could have gotten PCT, I didn't want to buy it from my source though b/c my source is supposedly BS, and I've already cut him off. My doctor told to just wait it out and that everything should be back to normal within 2 months.
^^^ your doctor is an idiot. of course test you inject will show up in blood work.. how the fuck do you think guys on a gram of gear have T levels at 3500+???
also yes even a small amount of gear will suppress you. if it didn't every juicehead on here would stay on forever just on a small amount of juice.
please fire your idiot doctor and stop listening to him
also yes even a small amount of gear will suppress you. if it didn't every juicehead on here would stay on forever just on a small amount of juice.
please fire your idiot doctor and stop listening to him
Idobehigh
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I'm starting to think your a troll bro. Everything we told you you are doubting and questioning it. We said doctors are idiots and we are telling you what to do. You wanna wait 2 months and feel like shit then go back to the doctor and have him do blood again and waste more money or u can buynwhat we said speed up the recovery and feel better...
AnthonyMarco
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Because your body is used to about 7mg/day of natural testosterone. If you inject ~7mg/day, your body doesn't have to make any. If your body isn't making any, and the test propionate is already almost gone, you will show very little on an endocrine panel.
These guys have forgotten more about juice than I will ever know, and even I am insulted by how you are talking to them.
You came here for help, and you have gotten more than I have seen a lot of guys who did what you did get from these guys.
And instead of gratitude, you want to act like you know something. Guess what? You have made your ignorance apparent.
Exogenous testosterone wont show up on a blood screen? Your doctor is as lost as you are.
Experience is worth 10 university educations, but you are too hard headed to see that.
Good luck, and I hope everything works out for you. Honestly.
Are you kidding me? So I'm supposed to take whatever you guys tell me at face value without questioning it? Talk about displaying ignorance... you should know better than that. I never said anyone here was wrong or eluded that I'm adamant like you made me out to be. I'm simply asking how they came to certain conclusions. & a doctor is the most respected occupation in the world.. I'm not saying they're right either, I'm telling you their opinion (book smarts) and asking for yours (street smarts) so I can formulate a decision that I feel is best.
I truly do appreciate your guys's time & help, all of the info you've provided me was very useful. I just wanted some further explanations on a few things is all. You validated the point he made about a low dose synthetic testosterone screwing up my natural levels and I will most likely buy SERMs now. I even admitted I was wrong in the OP and that your advocacy for youths to stay away from steroids stands 100% true.
"The error of youth is to believe that knowledge is a substitute for experience, while the error of age is to believe experience is a substitute for intelligence." - Ernest Hemingway.
^ I think that's a good summary of this situation. Just remember that next time you point your finger at someone and tell them that they're narrow minded, don't forget that there are 3 fingers pointing right back at you.
Why the fuck would you run a serm now? For PCT? That's a real piss poor idea.
And yeah...your doctor is a fucking retard. Wow is he a retard! 99% of them are morons. They know nothing beyond what they have read in their books. And dealing with AAS or HRT is not in their books. That goes for endocrinologists too. They know nothing of practical application.
At least offer me some insight as to what you'd rather me run if you're going to call it stupid. I was recommended by 2 different people to run a SERM. 1st guy told me to run clomid and 2nd guy told me to run phyto-serms. So what do you suggest I run for a PCT instead then?
rustilldown
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I wouldn't run anything more than an Over the counter test booster. Yah you made a poor decision, but you will recover, your young, eat big lift big and sleep big and your levels will bounce back.
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Evan Tipps
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^^ You dont need much. You cant get angry at people on the site reccomending those pct supplements. Its a business.. And a lot of people like those supps for pct. But youre young and youl lrecover fine either way
You 2 win the award for the best answers yet. Any good test boosters you could recommend me to?
You'll likely be fine without a PCT. No need to compound your problem with more pharmaceuticals. If you must run something run Bridge or Hcgenerate. Something natural that actually works.
As for calling this whole thing stupid, it is stupid, extremely stupid. It wreaks of idiocy and lack of health awareness and desire to research what one is doing to one's body. Its one big cluster fuck mess from start to finish. Don't expect a lot of hugs and warm fuzzy here. You're actually getting off quite easy with the posts so far. Yeah, you made a huge mistake and I'm beating a dead horse. Its gonna happen.
phyto-serms is NOT a serm.
its a natural test booster.
but yeah you will recover naturally on your own, but you also need something to hold you over in the mean time that won't fuck you up more so you can function. if your bloods are accurate you are gonna have a rough next few weeks and you need something to get you through that which won't suppress you more.
also burn is right.. docs don't learn about AAS in college. 99.9% of them have zero experience with that. most docs can teach you about tennis or golf, NOT about lifting or juicing. there are a select few who actually juice but those are less than .01% of all docs and good luck finding one like that.. the docs i know from my gym are just regular schmo's, they go to the gym a lot and still have zero muscle because they don't know how to workout intensley.. they just go there to socialize and jerk around.. they aren't there to build muscle and get big. however try giving a 'doctor' some pointers on lifting and they wont' want to hear it.. they have an entitlement mentality even though they look like they don't lift and can bench 95 pounds.
you are right, don't listen to anything on a forum at face value.. however the posters on here are very experienced on this stuff and the mods have special skills or they wouldn't be mods in the first place. for example they made me a mod based on my PCT knowledge and my bloodwork experience which fits your exact issue here. so you would be wise to listen very close to what i tell you
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FitnessGuy147
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Dude, just stay away from the gear. You're19 and apparently don't want anyone's advice. Several guys have told you what to do and why are you are still asking the same questions. Not sure where all the concern comes from all of a sudden? You are the one who put shit in your body without knowing what it was and now you are worried about a natural test booster? Would you go to a pediatrician for brain surgery?! Do your research and try again in 6-7years.
Good lord your Dr sounds like the asshats I had seeing my husband until I finally found the one bioidentical hormone specialist in the county who knows his shit, we ripped through urologist, endocrinologist, primacy Dr, what a nightmare.
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Headholio
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I agree with this. I don't think its wise advice to give an 19 year old that doctors are stupid, to just mess with your HTPA on your own, and to just listen to strangers on the internet
. You don't know who is knowledgable and who isn't. My advice is not to fire your doctor. It's smart to be honest with him and tell him that you screwed up. Your goal now is to recover, and like the others have said, you will.
Your doc will be useful if for nothing else than to help you monitor your progress back to recovery. See what he recommends. If he's really an idiot, you don't have to take his advice. Another thing he is useful for is to refer you to an endocrinologist, although you are not in need of that right now.
A test booster like HcGenerate would be good. Keep lifting, wait 3 months or so, and get a test done. If your test isn't significantly higher, ask your doc to send you to a specialist.
You're natty test was only low because you we're suppressed. You probably got under dosed gear. Web you get it out of your system take a natty test booster and estrogen control and you'll be fine
well his doc has already proven to be an idiot considering he told him that injecting test wouldn't boost his T levels.
this is not someone to take advice from.
the OP has no way to know what is right or wrong because he has no clue what he is doing.. just another 19 year old who listened to his buddy at the gym. kids haven't even busted their first nut yet but they feel they are smart and mature enough to inject hormones that should be left for adults
Is it any wonder steroids are illegal in the US? Darwin was right...
AnthonyMarco
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No. I am not kidding. And yes, I do know better. That is why I DIDN'T say don't question the information you get here. In fact I suggest questioning more things than you have been (e.g. do I really need juice now?, are my friends helping or hurting me? How can bio-identical testosterone NOT show up on a blood screen?, etc.). I instead was saying to show some respect and gratitude when doing the questioning.
Also, I never said you were narrow minded. That implies you wouldn't seek help... which you are. I said you were ignorant and hard-headed. My reasoning is that you don't know what to do, and also act like no one here does either.
Stevesmi is a main go-to guy for PCT here, but you want to talk to him like he just woke up one day with thousands of posts and decided to start making shit up about what to do when your testicles are no longer functioning properly.
Last but certainly not least, I am a graduate of trade school and a university, I am a husband and father, a business owner, an employer, a veteran of a foreign war, recipient of a purple heart and silver star, and walk with a permanent limp and nerve pain from 3 AK-47 rounds. I can assure you during all this life experience that I have had more than 3 fingers pointing at me at once, and most of them have been middle fingers.
Your doctor is right that you will be fine in a while, and you don't HAVE to do anything. But like others have said, a natural testosterone booster would help speed things along.
You will be fine. Give it a few years and try again. Good luck.
