Not Dylan, but I'm 13 days into LGD and so far so good. I haven't had one negative side and I'm at 4mg ED. I'm not planning to go any higher than 5mg and have gradually increased to where I am now. I have had pretty significant strength increases and feel like I'm on a Test/DBol cycle minus any bloat. I have used MK since it first became available and tried S4 even before that. LGD is just like the others in that it's given me a great sense of well being. The only negative I see is the suppression part and requiring PCT, neither of which I have dealt with yet.what about LGD-4033 pros and con wise
So after doing some more research I was reading about mk 2866. I'm coming to the end of a var cycle and was gonna throw it into my 4 week pct then continue for another 4 weeks. Question is for the 4 solo weeks of mk 2866 would I need to run and hcgenerate of any type of pct??
if your going to run it then run it 12 weeks total... 4 weeks in pct and then 8 weeks in a triple stack after... you need to run hcgenerate alongside it... s4 for four weeks is pointless... you need to run things right... mk and gw are fine to go 12 weeks total... s4 should be kept at 8 weeks...
Perfect Dylan thanks very much that's exactly what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna run osta for pct then 8 weeks along side s4 with hcgen. So what about pct just mini? Like test infusian and daa maybe?
Dylan, I am wrapping up an 8 week GW and Osta cycle this week. My doc just ordered my yearly checkup bloods and I don't know what to do. If I get bloods now will they be all out of wack? I don't want to freak the guy out. I am doing your proposed miny pct starting next week. Should I wait until I am in pct to get bloods or should I wait until pct is done? I guess I want to know how soon my bloods will go back to normal, that is, if they are not within normal now. My apt is in late July so i need to get them done before then. Thanks for your help bro!
Dylan, I am wrapping up an 8 week GW and Osta cycle this week. My doc just ordered my yearly checkup bloods and I don't know what to do. If I get bloods now will they be all out of wack? I don't want to freak the guy out. I am doing your proposed miny pct starting next week. Should I wait until I am in pct to get bloods or should I wait until pct is done? I guess I want to know how soon my bloods will go back to normal, that is, if they are not within normal now. My apt is in late July so i need to get them done before then. Thanks for your help bro!
I also have a very similar question. I was on week 7 of my 25mg ED Osta run and my doc took bloods. I am also running N2Guard & HCGenerate. I know u cant say for sure but do you think my liver enzymes will be elevated? I want to be prepared for the discussion when I go in there for results next week. Thanks for the help Dylan!
Please post up your blood results when you get them. I am very curious about how they will look. Thanks!I also have a very similar question. I was on week 7 of my 25mg ED Osta run and my doc took bloods. I am also running N2Guard & HCGenerate. I know u cant say for sure but do you think my liver enzymes will be elevated? I want to be prepared for the discussion when I go in there for results next week. Thanks for the help Dylan!
Thanks. The only thing I have been running is HCGenerate along with the GW and Osta. I think will wait until I am a week into PCT before I get the bloods. This should be interestingI cant say with certainty man... Thats impossible to say... Run the proper pct and you should recover quickly but it would also depend on what else you have ran... You should have been prepared for this and been monitoring it
Thanks. The only thing I have been running is HCGenerate along with the GW and Osta. I think will wait until I am a week into PCT before I get the bloods. This should be interesting![]()
Please post up your blood results when you get them. I am very curious about how they will look. Thanks!
hey two questions:
first: im 22 y.o this is going to be my first time ever with anabolics of any kind. been lifting for 2.5 years and weigh 185 5'10 at around 11% bodyfat. if you could help me set up a cycle of osta id really appreciate it. as a follow up, i'm doing 5/3/1 routine which forces your progression to be much slower. I've heard on AAS its optimal to use different routines because you can progress/recover much faster. I was wondering if ostra is powerful enough that the same holds true and if so what kind of routine i should switch to?
also, sarmsearch sells 30ML 25mg/ML osta for $150 and unique sells 30 ml 50 mg/ml for $50... i dont understand how/why they have a much lower price for a lot more osta?
im looking at trying a cycle of s-4, and it says 50mg/ml what should I dose this at per day? 1 ml per day? for a 6 week cycle.
You just want to run osta alone? Different companies with different prices bro... Thats up to you to decide... They are both great and both are sponsors
I gotcha bro.. yeah I was trying to take the cautious route for my first cycle with anything like this instead of going all out. Would I see any gains on just osta? If not, what would you recommend?
Just how good are sarms at sparing muscle. I'm curious if going into a heavy ketosis on sarms would be able to spare muscle and just simply shred fat.
Whats your goal bro?
Just how good are sarms at sparing muscle. I'm curious if going into a heavy ketosis on sarms would be able to spare muscle and just simply shred fat.
currently i'm actually in ketosis as well on a cut to get rid of a bunch of fat i picked up off a dirty bulk. so the immediate goal would be to lose about 10 more pounds and get cut up. after that, i'm starting to bulk again around late august or september. so to answer your question: immediate goal is to get pretty shredded, long term goal i'm still trying to get a lot bigger/stronger.
i am sure this has been covered. I have been following this thread for a bit now and am getting ready to take the plunge into the world of sarms.
How long after an anavar/katana (6 weeks light doses followed by 4 weeks pct) could a potential cycle of S4 or an osta/s4 be run? I know the recovery time from sarms is much quicker and with reduced sides, for me it seems like worth giving it try.
All help appreciated
@dylan
your thoughts of GW50 on a bulk with LGD?
Gw is about as far opposite of bulking as you can get
What are the typical gains? Strength?
Gaining lean muscle and getting my strength back up to speed.
Need to check finances but my research shows osta and s4 might be a hell of a stack followed up with pct:unleashed combo and hcgenerate es.
After that i would run bridge.
@ Dylan
It will be my first time using a sarm. What is the best bang for my buck on using sarms to help with a cut?
Its not about "bang for your buck" and i dont set up "bargain cycles" i set up effective ones... Would you like me to set that up for you?
I'm on HRT right now. If I'm taking Ostarine (MK-2866) and S-4 (Andarine) and take a blood test under my doctor, is my doctor going to see something that would make them take me off of HRT? Pretty much are they going to see something out of the ordinary?
Hey Dylan... What's the estimated shelf life for Unique's Osta if stored in a cool dark place of course?
Yes, please do! sorry if I said that wrong in my previous post
Sooo many pages, lot's of good info! Hope my question hasn't already been asked. Ok, I've just made my first SARM purchase and went with Unique's S-4. I'm very excited but wondered about taking it pre-workout. Specifically, can I literally squirt the S-4 into my pre-workout drink? I ask because I don't want the effectiveness of one or the other diminished by doing so. Thanks for any info!
Hi guys,
I just finished my SARM stack which looked like this :
The weeks
1-12 Osta 25mg / day
1-8 S4 50mg / day split dose ( just small sides with the yellow tint, not much at all! )
1-8 GW 20mg / day splitted dose
HCGenerate last 4 weeks where i had Osta alone, gonna ad up another one as we speak as mini PCT - though no problems with libido or anything like that.
I'm feeling great, sick pump and did my personal best in deadlift from 150kg to 180kg in these weeks! What i'm not really happy with is the GW, not sure if i get a bad batch but i was good on the food and everything but still well, i did kind of cut fat and kept my weight - well which is good i guess. But should i add alot of cardio with the GW to really get the best of it?
Now i'm gonna let my body rest a bit from the sarms, but Dylan do you think it's enough to give it 4 weeks of rest? Or should i give it more rest?
Excellent, will do. Thanks for your help!Just drink it straight... Do not put it in your pre workout... You can use a chaser but do not mix it with anything
Just drink it straight... Do not put it in your pre workout... You can use a chaser but do not mix it with anything
do you recommend this for osta and gw as well? how about just mixing with water? what's the downside? thanks.
I think you misunderstood what gw is all about... It was designed to increase endurance... You need to incorporate a good amount of cardio with it to burn fat... You dont just take it and magically burn fat bro... Thats not how it works...
Thank you, that's it i guess :/ ah well you always learn something.
What do you think about 4 weeks resting, is that enough?
thanks again
Hey bro'. I'm about to finish a 12 week blast of test@500. In two weeks I go back to cruising at 100.
Do you think SARMS would be a good choice for helping keep my gains as a type of "bridge" until my next blast? If so, what do you recommend? Thanks as always!
Question... So right now I am in the 7th week of test e and going to run winny at 40-50mg the last 6 weeks and go Into pct...
For pct I plan on using osta 25 mg Ed
For 4 weeks and then going into bridge from n2bm (should I double dose?) and then plan on doing a mild Sarms cycle to keep and add to gains made from the cycle...
1) is this overkill on my body?
2) will not use gw due to the cancer scare
3) goal is lean mass more than anything
4) will this cause to much shutdown in small amount of time and should I wait longer and then take Sarms?
5) where do I buy reliable Sarms?
Alright thanks bro, and just realized 3 wasent really a question. More so just my goal....
Is there a way to do it without the gw and still get good results?
Hey man this is some great stuff on here. You're awesome. Seems sarms is definitely for me, but is it a bit too late? Started a Test/EQ cycle.
I'm a boxer turning pro (won't get tested first few fights). Due to an injury and loss of a loved one my pro debut was delayed and I gained some weight.
Right now I just started the other day
1-12 Test E @ 400mg/week (low dose for recovery and slight strength gains)
1-12 EQ @ 300mg/week (hoping to boost endurance)
Goal:
- Drop down 15lbs (should be easy with my work ethic and diet) but gain/maintain strength
- Gain a little extra lean muscle ( I lift 4x/week)
- Kickstart/boost endurance
Reading and researching sarms, it seems either S4 or GW would've been more suitable for me. Sadly I already did my first pin. Should I include s4 while on cycle? or just save money and wait after pct? And woukd sarms actually be MORE effective than my current cycle? Sorry to comepare but price wise it's a lot cheaper for me to add anavar for the last 30days of my cycle, would var be more worth it?
Stats this morning
5'7
154lbs
14-16% BF
Done two cycles of test only back when I was 158lbs 8-9% BF
Thanks in advance and sorry for long post
Hi, friends.
I'm going to run a SARM cycle for the first time and would like your help/opinions.
So far I have ordered LGD-4033 (from Uniquemicals) and Finaflex Revolution PCT Black + Pure Test Combo (from Amazon); I will be ordering Forma Stanzol soon. I am also considering adding MK-2866 into the PCT. I have no plans for a SERM currently.
I have all the usual multi-vitamin, creatine, pre-workout stuff.
My experience is limited. Last summer I ran my first PH with decent results. It was a simple Powerlab Halotest-25 with CEL CycleAssist, and a PCT of Powerlab PC2 with a SERM of Nolvadex.
What else do I need for my first SARM?
Keep in mind I want this to be as bare-bones are possible to really gauge the results well without too much interference. I've seen people include things like S4 and HCGenerate during their SARMs but I'd like to omit them for the first run if possible. Please recommend only things that are more of a necessity rather than those that enhance results.
I'm running this as an experiment for it's curative purposes. I have been side lined with an injury for the last 6 months and have just recently gotten back to the gym semi-consistently. I will be back to a 3 day split before starting this SARM. I want to see how effective this is for rehabilitation abilities so I am not concerned about maximum gains right now, hence why I'm trying to keep this cycle as basic as possible.
I have read that LGD-4033 is somewhat suppressive yet also see people not using any SERMs during their PCT and as such I have no plans to currently use any. Thoughts?
In summation, my current cycle plan is as follows:
LGD-4033 x 6-8 weeks (length OK?)
week 1 - 1mg
week 2 - 2mg
week 3 - 3mg
week 4 - 4mg
week 5 - 4mg
week 6 - 5mg
week 7 - 5mg (maybe)
week 8 - 5mg (maybe)
PCT x 4 weeks (length OK?)
Forma Stanzol - 3 pumps/2x daily + OTC PCT
(possibly MK-2866 - not sure of dosage)
I may log this if anyone is curious about the results it may have on injury recovery more than the maximum amount of gains it produces. As I said, I'm trying to keep it simple and gaining size is not my priority during this first run. In a way this is also an experiment on how much size can be gained with a minimal stand-alone cycle, so I guess that's interesting.
Looking forward to reading your thoughts.
Hey, everyone. I'll paste below from the thread I started in hopes of getting more responses.
I'd appreciate any help I can get here or in my original thread. I can't link to the original because I'm under 25 posts.
You are way off and really have no clue what you are saying in this post man... FIRST... S4 IS A SARM... That is not an addition... Second... Hcgenerate REDUCES on cycle suppression... Its not a "throw in"... THIRD... LGD MOST CERTAINLY requires a FULL PCT, SERM included... You need to get your facts right and you also need to get it out of your head that I would EVER recommend a "bare bones" cycle... That's not how you properly run things, that how you FUCK YOURSELF UP... So if you want me to write you out a proper and SAFE cycle then I will be happy to do that...
Dylan do I really need unleashed for a mini pct if I have bridge? What else is good that stacks with bridge? Unleashed is still ducking out of stock and I was told it would be in stock today. Its been out of stock for months. I'm really losing interest and need a replacement. I have two bottles of bridge so what would be a good replacement? I'm running ostarine 20 mg for 8 weeks. On week 7 now. Been trying to get unleashed for a month before I started this cycle. Never in my wildest dreams did I think it wouldn't be available three months later
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you can stop now... you only did one pin... you are fine to stop and i would... your not in a condition to be running steroids and you need to get yourself in better shape before doing so... sarms will be of more benefit to you...
run the triple stack for 8 weeks...
1-8 osta 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-8 s4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-8 gw 10-20 mg day... split doses 12 hours apart
1-8 hcgenerate
3-8 albuterol 12-18 mg day
mini pct 9-12
Either combo
methyll eaa and test infusion
OR
unleashed/post cycle combo
Dylan I remember how you were big on torem as a SERM for pcts
Would you recommend it for LGD pct? I was going to with with nolva but liquid taste is so bad I was thinking of switching to clomid/torem.
Won't say name of brand because I'm not sure if its sponsored or not.
Dylan,
You're absolutely right, I don't have much knowledge in this field and that's why I'd like some help down the proper path. However, I'm well aware S4 is a SARM, I was just merely saying I don't want to stack it like others seem to as I have no use for its purpose and dislike the ocular sides.
As far as HCGenerate goes, I have no clue what that's for and was trying to understand its purpose. From what you mentioned then it seems to be important and I should pick it up.
Since the PCT requires a SERM, I'd appreciate help with choosing the right one and also a recommended source for it. I picked up LGD-4033 from Uniquemicals due to the recommendations and praise of this forum. I only have experience with Nolvadex from my last PH cycle.
I'd love if you could help me with setting up a proper routine to cycle this. I didn't mean to sound like I was budgeting this when I said "bare-bones" but more that I want to gauge the effects of LGD-4033 primarily without interference. As you can see from my post I will be gauging its curative ability and wanted to avoid skewing the results as much as possible. I'll pick up whatever is necessary.
Thanks.
1-8 LGD 3mg day... assess after 2 weeks and then bump to 5 mg and up 2 mg every 2 weeks if no sides are occurring
1-8 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-8 hcgenerate
pct 9-12
clomid 25/25/25/25 AGguys.com
Methyl EAA and Test Infusion mrsupps.com
forma stanzol mrsupps.com
Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com
the unleashed/post cycle combo can be used in place of methyl eaa and test infusion… ntbm.com
I made this as easy and simple as possible...
Any idea when unique will have GW back in stock? Got my osta and S4 just waiting on GW.
thanks
Thanks a lot for this, I really appreciate your insight. This full layout helps tremendously. I'll be picking up a few things later.
AWESOME! Thanks for the full layout.
I'll probably get on this maybe next month and hold off on the AAS. Spent all my extra money on the gear so I don't think I can get on this cycle, plus GW seems out of stock anyways.
Real quick I hope you won't get offended, do you think I could do Test E (since I already have it) and S4 (since S4 is cheap) and completely abandon EQ for now? I also have all PCT ready Or would you rather me wait til I get finances and do the above stack.
Thanks again.
You don't run things because "they are cheap" That comment just pisses me off bro... No, do not change eq for s4...
Dylan can methyl EAA be used with sodium d aspartic acid? I don't understand what methyl EAA is
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I'm on HRT right now and running this
Ostarine (MK-2866) 25mg ED AM
S-4 (Andarine) 25mg 5/2 Twice-Daily AM Noon
On September 1st I plan to run my first blast and up my testosterone from 200mg/weekly to 325mg/weekly. I just looked into LGD-4033 today and I'm wondering if LGD-4033 would be good to run during the blast? Or would it be better to run the LGD-4033 after the blast? After the blast, I plan to go back to Ostarine (MK-2866) and S-4 (Andarine) during my cruise until my next blast.
Dylan,
How much time is considered efficient (safe & keep it effective) between Osta cycles?
Thank you for the help bro!
I would wait at least two months in between so your body does not get used to it... You want to get max benefits so you need to mix it up
Thank you bro!
Dylan I have a quick question Im a week into my pct after a var cycle im running osta in pct and seem to be getting hunger pains could this be from the osta?? or do I need to start looking else where. meals are the same as when on cycle so im getting plenty of cals
cool that settles thatIts not from osta
I am thinking about bridging Ostarine after PCT till me next AAS cycle. Will my receptors be just as fresh than if I had not taken it? In other words will it decrease the effectiveness of my next AAS cycle?
My friend is thinking of runnin a s4 only cycle... His first ever supp other than protien pre workout and creatine...
He asked me what to expect and I dident really know what to say beside endurance goes up... What should I tell him?
Hey bro, sorry to bother you. I did a lot of search on here and on but I keep getting mixed input.
What happens if someone were to use S4 to kickstart a Test E cycle?
I'm reading that the effectiveness of both would lessen due to competing for receptors?
EX:
1-12 Test E 500mg/wk (w/frontloading first week)
1-4 S4 50mg split AM and preworkout PM.
What's your input and could you explain a little? If it's not too much trouble. Or point me to a site or thread that might explain. I swear I searched.
Question about Osta.
So you know how it's good to take PH's with a fish oil pill or any kinda fat because it aids in absorption?
Is this the same case with Osta? Should I take a fish oil pill with it? Will it help the Osta absorb better also?
there's a multitude of reasons why that's not optimal... you CAN run sarms with aas but you are not going to get near the results you would running them separately... to me, its a waste of time and money... sarms are not cheap so when you run them, you want to get the most out of them... receptor competition is evident if you run them together which lessens the effect... even if there were no competition, i would not recommend them as a kickstart, especially s4, being it has the worst sides that could cause you to stop or run it at a less than optimal schedule going 5 on and 2 off to combat the vision sides... I have said this A MILLION TIMES, that sarms are best utilized as a bridge in between cycles to hold on to and add to gains... the way you want to do it is not optimal in any regard... run an oral aas as a kickstart to your cycle...
Thanks bro appreciate it. I just wanted to learn the different parts to it especially seeing if it could be substituted as a kickstart. Thanks man.
there's a multitude of reasons why that's not optimal... you CAN run sarms with aas but you are not going to get near the results you would running them separately... to me, its a waste of time and money... sarms are not cheap so when you run them, you want to get the most out of them... receptor competition is evident if you run them together which lessens the effect... even if there were no competition, i would not recommend them as a kickstart, especially s4, being it has the worst sides that could cause you to stop or run it at a less than optimal schedule going 5 on and 2 off to combat the vision sides... I have said this A MILLION TIMES, that sarms are best utilized as a bridge in between cycles to hold on to and add to gains... the way you want to do it is not optimal in any regard... run an oral aas as a kickstart to your cycle...
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