First Cycle - Test Prop and Anavar

[bonacris]

Do what you want.. I'll see your thread in a few months asking how to stop your nipples from lactating..

Liver supports esp n2guard aid in stopping bp issues, acne etc

But ignore all our advice seen as you know best

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[ace_]

Test prop will make you break out worse than anything you've ever used before. Ever get pimples inside your ears? If you run tren you're gonna look like a giant red-faced pimple monster

With var no liver support is needed. Run HCG if you run Tren, and think about liver support.

You're pretty thin at that height, as you get older you'll be able to put mass on easier when your metabolism slows down. Look at your diet, you're not eating enough...

I've been eating 3600-4000 calories per day for the last 4-5 weeks. Before that I wasn't tracking but was eating quite a bit. Carbs/Protein/Fat = 50/30/20

 

[ace_]

Do what you want.. I'll see your thread in a few months asking how to stop your nipples from lactating..

Liver supports esp n2guard aid in stopping bp issues, acne etc

But ignore all our advice seen as you know best

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If you're just going to passive aggressively try to tell me I need something without explaining why, then of course I'm not going to listen to you. Especially since a quick google search doesn't back you up.

That being said, I would be more than happy to listen to you if you'd explain why. I came to this forum for help with the cycle. The disclaimer in the OP was that I didn't want people telling me I was too young or that tren was a bad idea. As far as any other advice goes, I'm all ears.

 

[bonacris]

I'll make it very simple for you.. I think doing a cycle is a terrible idea

Your too young

Too small.

Multiple compounds on 1st cycle

Tren on 1st cycle

Nolva and tren together

Clomid and nolva together fucking old school..

Thinking that a small dose is ok. Tren will shut you down hard regardless of dose

Get advice, ignore it and think you know better.

Shitty attitidue-IMO this equals immaturity


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[infraredline]

If you're just going to passive aggressively try to tell me I need something without explaining why, then of course I'm not going to listen to you. Especially since a quick google search doesn't back you up.

That being said, I would be more than happy to listen to you if you'd explain why. I came to this forum for help with the cycle. The disclaimer in the OP was that I didn't want people telling me I was too young or that tren was a bad idea. As far as any other advice goes, I'm all ears.

I gave you advice in my above post and I even explained exactly what was wrong, you obviously ignored my post so I will post it again

You are an idiot bro haha I hope you realize you have screwed yourself out of any help from anyone on this site by having that cocky attitude

Fortunately for you I may be the only one left willing to give you advice since you have probably pissed off everyone else

1) your pct sucks
2) Tren is a terrible idea for a first cycle or in general for that matter
3) you don't weigh enough to be cycling yet (I weigh as much as you at the same bodyfat and I'm 5,5" and the only thing I've ever used is ostarine)
4) if you ever decide to post on this board again I would highly advise a different approach and ask for advice, not "I'm doing it regardless" and actually be open for critique
5) it's obvious you have not done any reading on this site about pct or anything for that matter and I advise you do so

If you are hell bent on cycling then so be it but I would advise you wait a little longer and put on some more weight

My advice would be do an 8 week run of ostarine, this is how it would be done

Week 1: 30mg ed
Week 2-8: 15mg ed

This is what I found worked for me and I put on 10lbs with it, also this is the way russianstar (Dr. Philip Filmanov) recommends it

Another common cycle that seems to work well for the users here is as follows:

1-8 25mg ed

The pct for both of the above cycles is

9-13 post cycle unleashed combo or forged post cycle

I advise you to be more open and take this advice

 

[joeblow12345]

Ok I've kinda gotten the jist of all the different opinions going on and I will explain them for you. I've ran tren many times and in currently running 700 mg of it weekly. So I'm basing my opinions on real personal experience. Like I said earlier if you don't run the ratios correctly you will be fucking miserable on tren. The night sweats are gonna happen regardless. So you need to have extra pillows, t shirts, and blankets etc to swap out throughout the night. Don't worry you will wake up frequently so you won't forget to change them when your soaked. I suggest turning the ac on high and putting a fan directly beside the bed. Other then the inconvenience you feel pretty rested even with broken sleep. Sometimes you also get terrible heartburn. It doesn't matter what you eat it will happen. The n2guard seems to really help with this. It also drastically reduces bp which will skyrocket. On 700 mg tren my bp is damn near perfect. I also have to mention if you don't control the bp, you get these awful headaches that feel like someone hit you in the head with a fucking sledge hammer. Tren is also notorious for causing limp dick just like any other nandrolone. This happens when estrogen gets too high and causes prolactin to raise. This can be negated by keeping test dose low and using an ai to control estrogen. Now if you choose to use a higher dose of test then its more difficult to control the estrogen and prolactin spikes. So you will need something to lower prolactin. Caber works the best but prami, bromo, and a few supps can also help but not as well. Caber is also very expensive and often faked. You also have to take into account that with a high test dose all the side effects are heightened drastically. While you may not need liver protection for tren you will absolutely need it for that cocktail of serms in pct. They are extremely harsh on your liver and carry a host of sides themselves. And don't assume that just because your using a low dose of tren that the sides aren't present. 200 mg tren will wreak havoc on your body and strain your lipids. Now there's a great chance that you could run tren successfully your first cycle. But if you get into trouble you don't have any experience to know what to do. Test is very easy to deal with and the only real concern is managing estrogen. Tren is a whole different ball game, and requires experience to fix problems that will happen. You don't even know how your body will respond to test, let alone one of the Strongest steroids known to man. Be smart here bro you have your whole life to play with tren. Learn to crawl before you walk and run.

 

[ace_]

Ok I've kinda gotten the jist of all the different opinions going on and I will explain them for you. I've ran tren many times and in currently running 700 mg of it weekly. So I'm basing my opinions on real personal experience. Like I said earlier if you don't run the ratios correctly you will be fucking miserable on tren. The night sweats are gonna happen regardless. So you need to have extra pillows, t shirts, and blankets etc to swap out throughout the night. Don't worry you will wake up frequently so you won't forget to change them when your soaked. I suggest turning the ac on high and putting a fan directly beside the bed. Other then the inconvenience you feel pretty rested even with broken sleep. Sometimes you also get terrible heartburn. It doesn't matter what you eat it will happen. The n2guard seems to really help with this. It also drastically reduces bp which will skyrocket. On 700 mg tren my bp is damn near perfect. I also have to mention if you don't control the bp, you get these awful headaches that feel like someone hit you in the head with a fucking sledge hammer. Tren is also notorious for causing limp dick just like any other nandrolone. This happens when estrogen gets too high and causes prolactin to raise. This can be negated by keeping test dose low and using an ai to control estrogen. Now if you choose to use a higher dose of test then its more difficult to control the estrogen and prolactin spikes. So you will need something to lower prolactin. Caber works the best but prami, bromo, and a few supps can also help but not as well. Caber is also very expensive and often faked. You also have to take into account that with a high test dose all the side effects are heightened drastically. While you may not need liver protection for tren you will absolutely need it for that cocktail of serms in pct. They are extremely harsh on your liver and carry a host of sides themselves. And don't assume that just because your using a low dose of tren that the sides aren't present. 200 mg tren will wreak havoc on your body and strain your lipids. Now there's a great chance that you could run tren successfully your first cycle. But if you get into trouble you don't have any experience to know what to do. Test is very easy to deal with and the only real concern is managing estrogen. Tren is a whole different ball game, and requires experience to fix problems that will happen. You don't even know how your body will respond to test, let alone one of the Strongest steroids known to man. Be smart here bro you have your whole life to play with tren. Learn to crawl before you walk and run.

Okay, so if I do a test prop only cycle what should the dosage be and what gains can I expect to make from the cycle?

Current pic from today, I find it hard to believe that this is too small to cycle (directed at the people saying this):

 

[joeblow12345]

Okay, so if I do a test prop only cycle what should the dosage be and what gains can I expect to make from the cycle?

Current pic from today, I find it hard to believe that this is too small to cycle (directed at the people saying this):

Your actually in pretty good shape. Your light for your height but you obviously have a decent amount of muscle. I feel your in a good position to run a cycle. If you want to run the var I think its a good idea. For test prop here is what I'd do.

1-10 test prop 100 mg eod
4-12 var 60 mg day( optional)
4-12 n2guard
1-12 adex 0.5 mg as needed( e3 or eod)
6-10 hcgenerate
10-12 hcg 500 ius twice a week

Pct 12-16
Clomid 25 mg day
Forged methyl
Forma
Igf lr3 50 mcg day( optional)

16-20 bridge and dspark

 

[ace_]

Your actually in pretty good shape. Your light for your height but you obviously have a decent amount of muscle. I feel your in a good position to run a cycle. If you want to run the var I think its a good idea. For test prop here is what I'd do.

1-10 test prop 100 mg eod
4-12 var 60 mg day( optional)
4-12 n2guard
1-12 adex 0.5 mg as needed( e3 or eod)
6-10 hcgenerate
10-12 hcg 500 ius twice a week

Pct 12-16
Clomid 25 mg day
Forged methyl
Forma
Igf lr3 50 mcg day( optional)

16-20 bridge and dspark

Thank you. I really do not understand how I'm so light either. People always think I'm 20+lbs heavier than I really am. I'd say that I must have featherweight bones but I've surprisingly never broken a bone in my life so who knows.

Anyways, I would love to take var but I don't really have access to it. The source I'm getting everything from doesn't have anavar. I have the option to get this cycle from a local source, and he can get or make anavar, but he's selling shit for like 3x the price. I wouldn't be able to get it for 2+ weeks and it's expensive as fuark.

If I got everything from the source I'm planning on getting it from, I could then place an order from the local source and get anavar a few weeks into the cycle and run it for the last 40 days of the cycle (but at 50mg ED). But it's so expensive that I don't know if I want to, and I'm not sure if it would make any difference if I just run it for the last 40 days of the cycle. What do you think about that?

edit - I could get 2000mg of Anavar for an expensive price. So if I run it 50mg ED I could run it the last 40 days of the cycle. Or I could run it 60mg/day for the last 33 days of the cycle. Is it even worth getting it?

 

[joeblow12345]

The reason I see you as light is your about 8 inches taller then me and 30lbs lighter. If u was your height I'd be trying to push 300+. Some people just aren't very heavy. Your definitely muscular and lean so its not like your a bag of bones or anything.