First Cycle - Test Prop and Anavar

[ace_]

Stats - 6'4 197lbs 9-10% bodyfat
Lifting for nearly 4 years
21 years old
No previous cycles, but have done 5 test booster cycles
(If you are going to post "don't do cycles so young" or "only do test your first cycle", save it.)

Doing:
Test Prop 100mg EoD for 60 days
Anavar 50mg ED for either 40 or 60 days

PCT
Clomid/Nolva

Goal: gain 10-20lbs while staying lean and/or getting leaner. I also like anavar for it's "hardening effect", drying effect, and vascularity effects.

1. Should I run the anavar for 40 or 60 days? If I only run it for 40 days, do I run it days 20-60 or 1-40?
2. Is hcg necessary for this cycle since it's only 8 weeks?
3. What side effects should I expect? I'm prone to acne and hair loss runs in the family. My hairline is already starting to recede on the front left and right sides.

 

[ALIN]

Sounds like you have made up your mind. Keep us posted how you do.

 

[ace_]

I may actually swap out the Anavar 50mg ED for Tren A 50mg EoD. I know that Tren is pretty much an absolute no-no for a first cycle, but I figure taking it at a low dose and then bumping it out to every other day should be tolerable. If I DO get bad sides from it then I can always drop it since it's the acetate ester. At 50mg EoD I highly doubt any sides I get will be so unbearably bad that I wouldn't be able to put up with them for another 48hrs if I decide to stop taking it.

I am changing sources and the one I'm going to get it from now (an online source who has great reviews) sells his stuff for about 1/3 the price of what I'd be getting locally. I'd also get it faster. The online source doesn't have anavar so Tren will do.

I will ask though, is Tren A 50mg EoD too small of a dose? This stuff is recommended at 50-150mg ED and I'll be taking it at 50mg EoD. Will I make any decent gains from 50mg EoD?

 

[jelet]

whats going bro. like i told you before. stick to test prop/var and you wont be disappointing.

 

[joeblow12345]

The sides from tren can absolutely be unbearable. That said if you can't get var then just go with prop and a solid ph like helladrol. Hella is very strong so make sure you take some n2guard with it and your good. Keep the test p at 50-75 mg day.

 

[bonacris]

If your gonna do tren then sort out your pct.. nolva and tren will result in a nice set of tits.. do some more research..
If you are prone to acne and hairloss steroids can make it worse...

You make no mention of liver support, progesterone control or estrogen control which makes me think you have no clue what your doing

Personally I think your too small to be thinking about ASS.. at 6'4 you should be well over 200lbs but your young and want things now so I'm just going to tell you to sort out your pct before your fuck yourself up for good

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[UA_Iron]

Test prop will make you break out worse than anything you've ever used before. Ever get pimples inside your ears? If you run tren you're gonna look like a giant red-faced pimple monster

With var no liver support is needed. Run HCG if you run Tren, and think about liver support.

You're pretty thin at that height, as you get older you'll be able to put mass on easier when your metabolism slows down. Look at your diet, you're not eating enough...

 

[EZ_E]

Welcome to EF....

Your comment saying "save it" doesn't fly on this board......

 

[infraredline]

Stats - 6'4 197lbs 9-10% bodyfat
Lifting for nearly 4 years
21 years old
No previous cycles, but have done 5 test booster cycles
(If you are going to post "don't do cycles so young" or "only do test your first cycle", save it.)

Doing:
Test Prop 100mg EoD for 60 days
Anavar 50mg ED for either 40 or 60 days

PCT
Clomid/Nolva

Goal: gain 10-20lbs while staying lean and/or getting leaner. I also like anavar for it's "hardening effect", drying effect, and vascularity effects.

1. Should I run the anavar for 40 or 60 days? If I only run it for 40 days, do I run it days 20-60 or 1-40?
2. Is hcg necessary for this cycle since it's only 8 weeks?
3. What side effects should I expect? I'm prone to acne and hair loss runs in the family. My hairline is already starting to recede on the front left and right sides.

You are an idiot bro haha I hope you realize you have screwed yourself out of any help from anyone on this site by having that cocky attitude

Fortunately for you I may be the only one left willing to give you advice since you have probably pissed off everyone else

1) your pct sucks
2) Tren is a terrible idea for a first cycle
3) you don't weigh enough to be cycling yet (I weigh as much as you at the same bodyfat and I'm 5,5" and the only thing I've ever used is ostarine)
4) if you ever decide to post on this board again I would highly advise a different approach and ask for advice, not "I'm doing it regardless" and actually be open for critique
5) it's obvious you have not done any reading on this site about pct or anything for that matter and I advise you do so

If you are hell bent on cycling then so be it but I would advise you wait a little longer and put on some more weight

My advice would be do an 8 week run of ostarine, this is how it would be done

Week 1: 30mg ed
Week 2-8: 15mg ed

This is what I found worked for me and I put on 10lbs with it, also this is the way russianstar (Dr. Philip Filmanov) recommends it

Another common cycle that seems to work well for the users here is as follows:

1-8 25mg ed

The pct for both of the above cycles is

9-13 post cycle unleashed combo or forged post cycle

I advise you to be more open and take this advice

 

[ace_]

If your gonna do tren then sort out your pct.. nolva and tren will result in a nice set of tits.. do some more research..
If you are prone to acne and hairloss steroids can make it worse...

You make no mention of liver support, progesterone control or estrogen control which makes me think you have no clue what your doing

Personally I think your too small to be thinking about ASS.. at 6'4 you should be well over 200lbs but your young and want things now so I'm just going to tell you to sort out your pct before your fuck yourself up for good

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Nolva with Tren will result in tits, yeah. Nolva as a PCT after tren is fine.

Why would I need liver support with Tren? I have never heard of that in any of the research I've done. I even just googled it and there's no mention of needing liver support with tren.

I have Arimadex on hand for estrogen control, if needed. I'll also be taking hcg the last 4 weeks prior to starting the PCT. I have clomid and nolva for PCT but plan on swapping out the clomid for torem. However, I still have clomid incase I can't get torem. And let's not forget this is 50mg EoD of tren ace, which is the smallest dose I can find any threads of anyone ever doing.

I am prone to acne, although it's not that bad anymore. And I have a family history of hairloss. Are the sides of tren really going to be THAT bad with only 25mg ED or 50mg EoD? I find it hard to believe that a small dose of tren is going to turn my into a pimple faced monster. That being said, I plan on injecting ED to keep blood levels stable, so that should help reduce side effects slightly anyway.

My reasoning for wanting to do a more advanced cycle as my first is because after this cycle I won't be able to cycle again for over a year and want to make gains while I can. As far as the test prop goes, that is universally accepted as a good cycle for beginners. I don't understand why adding a small dose of tren takes that from acceptable to intolerable. From what I've researched, most tren users take anywhere from 50mg ED to 150mg ED. Sitting here at 25mg ED doesn't seem like much and as I said I can always just stop taking the tren if side effects get bad.

and I don't think I'm too small to start using. I do not understand how my weight is so light, but I'm pretty big as far as natty lifters go and am pretty strong as well. I weighed 213 last fall but lost a lot of weight because I got sick. I've gained all my strength back and am even stronger than I was last fall. But I haven't gained the weight back. Weight is just a number anyway. I have less bodyfat than last fall and am stronger, while being lighter.

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