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Just out of curiosity what are everyones thoughts on God and a higher power here.
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Headholio
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Isn't God, by definition, an alien?
tha_Waco_kid
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I mean the bible is really a history book. Jesus walked on the earth as a man. Just as sure as the north fought the south in the Civil war. Some say he was a prophet, others say he was the son of god, others probably say he is just some guy. But the fact that he existed and did the things he did are simply historical events like anything else.
Other mythology gods like you say, would be similar to what I said about God, can't be proven or disproven. I have no experience with Greek mythology and other gods. So I can't speak for those beliefs but as far as I know none were human? Might be wrong on that.
Just answering your question - hopefully you receive it as I intended, which is just an answer. I'm not saying you are wrong....just stating what I believe. At The end of the day no one I going to change their mind about something like this by what they read on an Internet forum.
Also I am saddened to hear about your experience with Catholic Church when you were young. I hope you know those particular individuals dont represent what Christianity is, or what it stands for. Although i can fully understand why events like that could scar you and change your view of what those people supposedly represented. There are soooooo many people living under the guise of faith that are simply awful people. Just as there are atheists who are wonderful, gentle and caring people.
Also keep in mind that catholic does not equal Christian. Many Catholics are Christians but they are not one in the same. Christianity is not a religion, Catholicism is. While there are some bad Catholics out there, there are also many good ones. Of course the bad ones are The ones everyone hears about and they are what define the religion as a whole in the media unfortunately. I am not catholic, but I know many wonderful people who are.
All true and all good points. Except for one thing. The Bible is not historical information for the simple fact that no other writings from that period makes any mention of the occurrences in the Bible.
noodles1010
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do you believe in miracles? or do you think that they are coincidence and good luck?
when a child makes a miraculous recovery of cancer, or a train misses hitting a pregnant woman by inches, or people have these unexplained phenomenons happen (visions, angels, when a person literally dies in a hospital for more than 30 mins and then comes back claiming to see angels, or devils, or unexplained bodies while being dead)? there was a man a few years ago who was DEAD, i mean stone cold no pulse, and woke up in the morgue a day later... how do you explain that?
padre pio... must have been a complete fraud? stigmata does not exist? the virgin marys home in italy is all a fabrication? its physically there for you to see and touch.
i guess what im gettin at is if you need proof in your faith all u have to do is have faith in the things that surround us everyday. But you do have faith nelson... u have faith in the thought that there is no true religion, in there being nothing that exists in a after life, and no one god existing. That being said, that is faith. Better to believe in something and find out nothing exists than to not believe in anything and find out that it does exist. You went to a catholic school, im sure something had to stick, and weather you realize it or not, you were baptized and that will live inside you forever whether you realize it or not... and whether you realize it or not, you live it everyday.
im not here to push something at you, im merely stating that SOMETHING created all this, this life we live. The love you have for a child, the feelings that live inside you, all adds up to faith... the power of forgiveness, is more than just a thought processed and acted out, it is a feeling. Feelings are signs of faith. Faith in good, faith in beings, faith in your fellow man, and quite frankly faith in yourself. You live it everyday and dont even realize it. im not sayin thats god, im just saying its faith... and u do have it. its up to you what you make of it and how u explain it.
Atheist's are a gray area to me, because they claim to be without faith, but have faith in having NO faith... who says they believe in nothing? u need proof, look in a mirror. you are alive and there is no explanation how we exist, but we are here. thats proof in itself that you dont need to understand something for it to be real.
either or, your a good man nelson. your here helping people every day out of the good in you. faith or no faith, your good in my book. for what its worth lol.
noodles1010
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lets agree on this then....
You live your life to be the best possible man you can be. Your not malicious, violent, mean, have bad intentions, bring harm to people (unless they deserve it), and do what you truly in your heart think is right. You have morals, standards, are a friend to friends of you, a father to your children/child, loyal husband/partner, and believe in those who believe in you.
God or no god, we will all be judged, or not when we die, and you can say you were the best person you knew how to be and lived life to the fullest.
whatever was done in the past (idk what it is but im sure thats a whole other topic for another day) it will pass as soon as u find a way to let go. i can totally relate to that feeling or maybe im misunderstanding what your saying. if i do understand correctly, you have to find a way to let go or you will cloud your future for wonderful things that lye ahead. it took me years to figure that out, i think im grasping that now and to be honest i am a little more... whats the word... lets say "aware" of good coming towards me without doubt or prejudice than i was before. i dont even think im talking religion now. but i hope u get what im saying.
we cant move forward looking in the past, and religion or not, i AM a FIRM believer in karma. The people who did u wrong as a child and in your past WILL get what is coming to them, just hope that youre lucky enough to be there to watch when it does. ive had that pleasure, and there is no better feeling. it brings a feeling of joy to me every time i think about it. those fuckers got every bit of what they deserved and i just sit and smile. that was my closure, know that u will get yours too. time and patience.
Exactly.
El Hefe
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People say we're programmed to do good. I disagree. I think we're born with a sinful nature. Do we have to teach our toddlers how to do bad, misbehave, not share, etc? No.
If it were in our nature to do good, all we would have to do is simply give into temptation and we would all be sharing our food, wealth, resources and time. But it's just the opposite. We have to fight our inherent temptations everyday to be a truly good person.
Are people in church morally better? Not any more than people in hospitals are healthier.
As for proof and miracles, they exist everyday. Most members of growing, healthy church communities have seen countless miracles that science will scratch its head over. You don't read this in science or medical journals but many churches have seen members with illnesses such as cancer who have unexplainable been cured before treatment.
I for one had a bad (at least I thought it was) hernia about 10 years ago. The doctor scanned it and reviewed me twice before surgery. I'm a little embarrassed to say that I'm terrified of surgery and this was a very difficult time for me. When I showed up for the surgery, the hernia was gone. No explanation, no treatment, no surgery, no hernia. I also found it very interesting that 2 doctors informed me during the period leading up to my surgery that a natural recovery/correction was not possible. I have not had any hernia symptoms since.
Now a hernia is small potatoes compared to what many people have experienced in their churches. But it was big for me. And intended for me. Does this prove anything or convince any skeptic? No. They will have there own experiences to enjoy or overlook.
Now please remember that being cured of an illness does not make anyone better or more blessed than the uncured.
If it were in our nature to do good, all we would have to do is simply give into temptation and we would all be sharing our food, wealth, resources and time. But it's just the opposite. We have to fight our inherent temptations everyday to be a truly good person.
Are people in church morally better? Not any more than people in hospitals are healthier.
As for proof and miracles, they exist everyday. Most members of growing, healthy church communities have seen countless miracles that science will scratch its head over. You don't read this in science or medical journals but many churches have seen members with illnesses such as cancer who have unexplainable been cured before treatment.
I for one had a bad (at least I thought it was) hernia about 10 years ago. The doctor scanned it and reviewed me twice before surgery. I'm a little embarrassed to say that I'm terrified of surgery and this was a very difficult time for me. When I showed up for the surgery, the hernia was gone. No explanation, no treatment, no surgery, no hernia. I also found it very interesting that 2 doctors informed me during the period leading up to my surgery that a natural recovery/correction was not possible. I have not had any hernia symptoms since.
Now a hernia is small potatoes compared to what many people have experienced in their churches. But it was big for me. And intended for me. Does this prove anything or convince any skeptic? No. They will have there own experiences to enjoy or overlook.
Now please remember that being cured of an illness does not make anyone better or more blessed than the uncured.
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