VERY High LH Blood Test Results (Taken Last Days of PCT)

[al capone]

Hi,
Just finishing pct for my first cycle
I'm new here but I just got my blood test results and I'm a little concerned to say the least. Here's the run down:

Preycle: 1 year precycle I was normal at 690 and LH around 3. 1 week precycle test was around 550 and LH 8. I thought my testis were failing up on me so I jump on this, my first cycle (an 11 week cycle).

My cycle: was 500mg test e/wk + 250iu/day hcg + 0.5mg armidex. Estro stayed under 30 (reference 7.6-42.6) and test off the charts for the entire cycle. It was an 11 week cycle and I got 30lbs gains, about 5lbs of it fat. Still could use more weight.

PCT: went for about 8 weeks, I used hcg at maintenance for 2 weeks then blasted for a week at 1000iu every other day and started on a high dose of clomid/nolva tapering down to 50mg/20mg, respectively. Ran clomid/nolva for 5 weeks total up until the night before this blood test. The entire 8 weeks I was also taking .25mg armidex.

*EDIT* and here are my results after my last hcg blast (so 3 weeks into pct before clomid/nolva)
Blood test 3 weeks into PCT
Total test: 485 ng/dL (ref: 348-1197)
LH: 3.2 miu/mL (ref: 1.7-8.6)
FSH: 2.9 miu/mL (ref: 1.5-12.4)
Estrogen: 19.8 pg/mL (ref: 7.6-42.6)


Here were the results (this is 8 weeks out from cycle and into PCT, the day before I began tapering clomid/nolva from 50mg/20mg to 0mg/0mg):
Total Test: 687 ng/dL (ref: 348-1197)
LH: 26.2 miu/mL (ref: 1.7-8.6)
FSH: 10.5 miu/mL (ref: 1.5-12.4)
Estrogen: 51.5 pg/mL (ref: 7.6-42.6)


I'm not too worried about the estrogen (because I believes SERMs can raise that), but I am worried about the LH and FSH being so high. Should I be worried even though my test levels are half decent for natural (in fact, better then before cycle)? Was my pct a failure? Will my nuts regain sensitivity? I tried to make sure I provided adequate info but if anything is missing please let me know. Any insight would be greatly appreciated, thank you very much.

 

[al capone]

bump

 

[madbro]

Wait 2 months and do blood work again.. The body is very resilient no matter how hard you try to fuck it up almost all cases it will atleast try to restore balance. Give it more time.

 

[al capone]

Ok thanks

 

[al capone]

Here is my new bloods 2 months after PCT (taken 10-11-2012):
Total test: 521 ng/dL (ref: 348-1197)
LH: 15.6 miu/mL (ref: 1.7-8.6)
FSH: 4.3 miu/mL (ref: 1.5-12.4)
Estrogen: 53.5 pg/mL (ref: 7.6-42.6)

Is any of this a need for concern? I feel my LH is far to high to have only 521 ng/dL of testosterone. Add to that my estrogen is very high. I figure I have very low free-T right now due to this combination. I think the high E2 is from too much LH since high LH stimulates the release of E2 in the testis.

Have I permanently desensitized my testicles to LH by using HCG once? Will I eventually recover? How should I proceed? Do I need to worry about gyno with these levels of estrogen?

I look forward to hearing back soon! Thanks in advance.

 

[Headholio]

Do you mean 2 months of being clean? No PCT AI's hormones of any kind etc?

 

[noodles1010]

Speaking for myself as I don't know your age, at 29 yrs old my test should be at 500-550 is normal and strong. Mine was 326 post cycle and currently running hcg injected i.m. For better absorption, and was running clomid at 25mg Ed for a week but stopped because I'm scared of over doing it so figured I'd run the hcg solo for a while and when I come off take the clomid to keep estro In check and still stimulate the Lh and fsh.
I don't think you desensitized yourself. Let you body chill and adjust for a month and check your levels again.
What's your age bro?

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Hi,
Just finishing pct for my first cycle
I'm new here but I just got my blood test results and I'm a little concerned to say the least. Here's the run down:

Preycle: 1 year precycle I was normal at 690 and LH around 3. 1 week precycle test was around 550 and LH 8. I thought my testis were failing up on me so I jump on this, my first cycle (an 11 week cycle).

My cycle: was 500mg test e/wk + 250iu/day hcg + 0.5mg armidex. Estro stayed under 30 (reference 7.6-42.6) and test off the charts for the entire cycle. It was an 11 week cycle and I got 30lbs gains, about 5lbs of it fat. Still could use more weight.

PCT: went for about 8 weeks, I used hcg at maintenance for 2 weeks then blasted for a week at 1000iu every other day and started on a high dose of clomid/nolva tapering down to 50mg/20mg, respectively. Ran clomid/nolva for 5 weeks total up until the night before this blood test. The entire 8 weeks I was also taking .25mg armidex.

*EDIT* and here are my results after my last hcg blast (so 3 weeks into pct before clomid/nolva)
Blood test 3 weeks into PCT
Total test: 485 ng/dL (ref: 348-1197)
LH: 3.2 miu/mL (ref: 1.7-8.6)
FSH: 2.9 miu/mL (ref: 1.5-12.4)
Estrogen: 19.8 pg/mL (ref: 7.6-42.6)


Here were the results (this is 8 weeks out from cycle and into PCT, the day before I began tapering clomid/nolva from 50mg/20mg to 0mg/0mg):
Total Test: 687 ng/dL (ref: 348-1197)
LH: 26.2 miu/mL (ref: 1.7-8.6)
FSH: 10.5 miu/mL (ref: 1.5-12.4)
Estrogen: 51.5 pg/mL (ref: 7.6-42.6)


I'm not too worried about the estrogen (because I believes SERMs can raise that), but I am worried about the LH and FSH being so high. Should I be worried even though my test levels are half decent for natural (in fact, better then before cycle)? Was my pct a failure? Will my nuts regain sensitivity? I tried to make sure I provided adequate info but if anything is missing please let me know. Any insight would be greatly appreciated, thank you very much.

What esters did you use? How long? Age?

 

[al capone]

thanks for all the responses!

Do you mean 2 months of being clean? No PCT AI's hormones of any kind etc?

Every 4-5 days I would take some research chem aromasin, like .25ml of 25mg/ml but 2 months of being clean from everything else. But two weeks leading up to the test, not even aromasin. It has a short half-life so I figure it couldn't have scewed the results (unlike clomid or something else).

Speaking for myself as I don't know your age, at 29 yrs old my test should be at 500-550 is normal and strong. Mine was 326 post cycle and currently running hcg injected i.m. For better absorption, and was running clomid at 25mg Ed for a week but stopped because I'm scared of over doing it so figured I'd run the hcg solo for a while and when I come off take the clomid to keep estro In check and still stimulate the Lh and fsh.
I don't think you desensitized yourself. Let you body chill and adjust for a month and check your levels again.
What's your age bro?

I'm 24. Up until 21-22 I had natty 690 levels with low range lh. My testis started getting hard and small for no apparent reason so I got tested again. At 23 I was around 550 T and LH 7-8 so I jumped on this cycle thinking fuck it. May have gotten carried away with the HCG which may have aggrevated things although my testis appear the same size and hardness as before cycle with lh around 2x as much (15.6 lh) and test about 30 lower. FSH appears unchanged and normal at 4.3 and I had a sperm test done before cycle and was at about 66 million/mL (I think slightly above average). I definitely thought this all out before going in.
*Edit* i only ran hcg through cycle and beginning of pct.

What esters did you use? How long? Age?

Test E; 11 weeks; 24 years old. I don't know how I could have forgotten to give my age.



So again in light of this important information I left out, here is my bloods 2 months after PCT (taken 10-11-2012):
Total test: 521 ng/dL (ref: 348-1197)
LH: 15.6 miu/mL (ref: 1.7-8.6)
FSH: 4.3 miu/mL (ref: 1.5-12.4)
Estrogen: 53.5 pg/mL (ref: 7.6-42.6)


Have I permanently desensitized my testicles to LH by using HCG once? How should I proceed? Do I need to worry about gyno with these levels of estrogen?

I really appreciate all your help guys.

 

[al capone]

To add, the testis are about 4.6cm x 3cm x 2.1cm now (1.8" x 1.2" x 1.0"). Still wondering if I have permanently desensitized my testicles to LH by using HCG once? How should I proceed? Do I need to worry about gyno with these levels of estrogen? (what levels do gyno start to appear, I'm Estrogen: 53.5 pg/mL [ref: 7.6-42.6])

 

[noodles1010]

at 521 for your age your perfectly normal bro... after pct you elevated levels to increase test again. your good imo. it will all level out keep going to the gym and eating right.. give it a few mos. you just ran your body through the mill. i think you will be fine. estrogen is high. i might get on a anti e for a while to knock it down but thats all.. maybe forma or adex. something like that.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

thanks for all the responses!



Every 4-5 days I would take some research chem aromasin, like .25ml of 25mg/ml but 2 months of being clean from everything else. But two weeks leading up to the test, not even aromasin. It has a short half-life so I figure it couldn't have scewed the results (unlike clomid or something else).



I'm 24. Up until 21-22 I had natty 690 levels with low range lh. My testis started getting hard and small for no apparent reason so I got tested again. At 23 I was around 550 T and LH 7-8 so I jumped on this cycle thinking fuck it. May have gotten carried away with the HCG which may have aggrevated things although my testis appear the same size and hardness as before cycle with lh around 2x as much (15.6 lh) and test about 30 lower. FSH appears unchanged and normal at 4.3 and I had a sperm test done before cycle and was at about 66 million/mL (I think slightly above average). I definitely thought this all out before going in.
*Edit* i only ran hcg through cycle and beginning of pct.



Test E; 11 weeks; 24 years old. I don't know how I could have forgotten to give my age.



So again in light of this important information I left out, here is my bloods 2 months after PCT (taken 10-11-2012):
Total test: 521 ng/dL (ref: 348-1197)
LH: 15.6 miu/mL (ref: 1.7-8.6)
FSH: 4.3 miu/mL (ref: 1.5-12.4)
Estrogen: 53.5 pg/mL (ref: 7.6-42.6)


Have I permanently desensitized my testicles to LH by using HCG once? How should I proceed? Do I need to worry about gyno with these levels of estrogen?

I really appreciate all your help guys.

I dont think so but it is high!

Your fine with then levels.

Your E is high Id take an ai at .12.5 eod for two weeks.

Wait two weeks take test again your test will go up I bet not that it needs to but i bet it will.

Lh? I dont know dont take shit as in Aas, ph's, or natty test boosters.

 

[al capone]

at 521 for your age your perfectly normal bro... after pct you elevated levels to increase test again. your good imo. it will all level out keep going to the gym and eating right.. give it a few mos. you just ran your body through the mill. i think you will be fine. estrogen is high. i might get on a anti e for a while to knock it down but thats all.. maybe forma or adex. something like that.

521 is fine in general or just given that I'm two months out from PCT? I've saw a chart showing that 680 is average for my age but thanks I feel a lot better.

I think I'll jump on some armidex again based on the suggestions here. How does .25mg EOD sound?

I dont think so but it is high!

Your fine with then levels.

Your E is high Id take an ai at .12.5 eod for two weeks.

Wait two weeks take test again your test will go up I bet not that it needs to but i bet it will.

Lh? I dont know dont take shit as in Aas, ph's, or natty test boosters.

No ph's or natty test boosters. Pretty much been all clean for two months but for very little aromasin up until 2 weeks ago.

Before that, 1 month of clomid/nolva. Before that, 1 month of HCG. Before that, an 11 week cycle of test e.

Would .25mg armidex EOD be okay considering its 46.8 hr half-life?

 

[TheRippedReverend]

521 is fine in general or just given that I'm two months out from PCT? I've saw a chart showing that 680 is average for my age but thanks I feel a lot better.

I think I'll jump on some armidex again based on the suggestions here. How does .25mg EOD sound?






No ph's or natty test boosters. Pretty much been all clean for two months but for very little aromasin up until 2 weeks ago.

Before that, 1 month of clomid/nolva. Before that, 1 month of HCG. Before that, an 11 week cycle of test e.

Would .25mg armidex EOD be okay considering its 46.8 hr half-life?

Id do .12.5 eod for two weeks if it were me you need so E!

 

[al capone]

Oh I see 0.125 EOD. Yeah, I have the tablets though. So I will have to cut 1mg into an 8th then. I'll keep you all informed on how it goes, thanks for the help. I feel much better now about my situation thanks to you all. Take care.

 

[noodles1010]

Oh I see 0.125 EOD. Yeah, I have the tablets though. So I will have to cut 1mg into an 8th then. I'll keep you all informed on how it goes, thanks for the help. I feel much better now about my situation thanks to you all. Take care.

i think rev meant 12.5mg eod of aromasin bud.

and 521 is perfectly normal for your age... you cant go by the charts. it is been said and fact that everyone's test levels in the country have been reported "lower" than what they used to consider "normal" and chalking it up to pesticides in fruit, hormones in chicken, dairy ect, and all the other shit we put into our bodies. look it up. there are plenty of studies.
all in all your normal. dont drive yourself nuts. im 29 and was at 432 pre cycle. its diff for everyone. but if ya jiblets work and your in perfect range, you really dont care do you?

 

[al capone]

i think rev meant 12.5mg eod of aromasin bud.

and 521 is perfectly normal for your age... you cant go by the charts. it is been said and fact that everyone's test levels in the country have been reported "lower" than what they used to consider "normal" and chalking it up to pesticides in fruit, hormones in chicken, dairy ect, and all the other shit we put into our bodies. look it up. there are plenty of studies.
all in all your normal. dont drive yourself nuts. im 29 and was at 432 pre cycle. its diff for everyone. but if ya jiblets work and your in perfect range, you really dont care do you?

Jeez, I've definitely read these studies but I wasn't aware that these studies showing lowered T across the country came after the chart showing 687 or so average for my age. That's somewhat reassuring. What you are saying is very unfortunate and you clearly looked at the dates of these conflicting reports in more detail then I did (I'll have to look at dates closer in the future when I research health studies). Sounds like all this crap in our foods is a fairly recent epidemic. Where's government when you need it.

So you say your 29 now and were at 432 was your baseline before you did your first cycle? How old were you then?

My timeline:
1. Age 21: I was ~680 at 21. LH about ~2-3
2. Age 23: I was around ~550 LH: 8.x first test, 5.x second test. This was all before ever touching AAS
3. Age 24: Post cycle 2 months out from first cycle and PCT (test e only), test 521 with 15.6 LH

I guess this trend scares me since it looks like primary hypogonadism. My FSH has been consistently ~4 before and after cycle. Sperm fine before cycle. I guess its just my leydig cells that are acting up; sertoli cells are probably fine. I'm looking into tocopherols to help my leydig cells, let me know if you guys are aware of anything else to increase leydig cell sensitivity to LH.

How old were you when you tested 432? Was this before you ever touched any AAS? Where were your LH levels?

I'm very surprised to here everyone here saying 500's is normal for a 24 year old. It definitely makes me feel a lot better and I'm more than glad to accept this. It's been bothering me a lot and it's nice to be able to close this chapter of my worrying. I'll have to correct my estrogen, regardless. Thank you all very much, I repped you all (karma).

 

[noodles1010]

i was 28. had started a cycle of 800mg a week of t400 and 500 wk of sust. did it for 3 weeks and got sick had to stop. i forget what kind of sust it was but i remember my boys jaw dropping when he added up how much i was blasting. anyway, after 3 weeks i stopped and about 6 mos later, no pct at all, i was 432 i believe. my sex drive was strong as hell... i never felt like i skipped a beat. i got lucky i suppose... my second cycle or attempt at a cycle lol was t400 2x a wk, deca 250 wk, anavar 40mg ed for 6 weeks. total cycle was 14-15 weeks. i did a half assed recovery... was a horrible experience... i learned all i know now because of it and now know enough to run any cycle i want the proper way all the way thru pct.... thanks to dylan, steve, needto, radar, and countless others ive spoke to on here since i joined. as long as your cool like u are in this post, i dont see why anyone wouldnt help out and answer all ur questions no matter how bright or stupid they might be. the only stupid questions are the ones you dont ask. esp when it comes to this shit. if your gonna do something, do it right or dont do it at all. if the supps are too expensive, ask yourself if you can put a price on your health...

 

[al capone]

i was 28. had started a cycle of 800mg a week of t400 and 500 wk of sust. did it for 3 weeks and got sick had to stop. i forget what kind of sust it was but i remember my boys jaw dropping when he added up how much i was blasting. anyway, after 3 weeks i stopped and about 6 mos later, no pct at all, i was 432 i believe. my sex drive was strong as hell... i never felt like i skipped a beat. i got lucky i suppose... my second cycle or attempt at a cycle lol was t400 2x a wk, deca 250 wk, anavar 40mg ed for 6 weeks. total cycle was 14-15 weeks. i did a half assed recovery... was a horrible experience... i learned all i know now because of it and now know enough to run any cycle i want the proper way all the way thru pct.... thanks to dylan, steve, needto, radar, and countless others ive spoke to on here since i joined. as long as your cool like u are in this post, i dont see why anyone wouldnt help out and answer all ur questions no matter how bright or stupid they might be. the only stupid questions are the ones you dont ask. esp when it comes to this shit. if your gonna do something, do it right or dont do it at all. if the supps are too expensive, ask yourself if you can put a price on your health...

Thanks buddy. t400 = testosterone? Never heard of t400 before. Yeah I definitely did my research beforehand. Probably for at least 6-12 months. I held all my gains and have gained some strength since ending my cycle (only problem is that I've also gained some BF% because I've kept the calories high, ie, went from 14% to 16% on the electronic body fat meter).

My only *possible* regret from this cycle is possibly OVERDOING the HCG on cycle which *I feel* may have desensitized my testicles. Hopefully this isn't permanent but I guess I will find out after my next blood test in 2 months (after which I plan to start a cutting cycle, regardless of my testicles sensitivity, but with much less HCG this time).

Thanks again for all the help and if anyone has experience with HCG and wants to chime in about my concern of desensitizing with the HCG protocol that I used, I'd be grateful. I think all the bloods and dosages have been mentioned above but I can clarify anything if needed. Thanks.

 

[noodles1010]

Your hcg dose looks ok. I'm blasting 1000iu 3x a week for 8 weeks to bring up natty test. I would say your fine. Mine is dr's orders too.