Public schools no place for teachers’ kids

[javaguru]

Public schools no place for teachers' kids - Washington Times


12.2% of parents send their children to private school.

1 in 5 public school teachers send their children to private schools.

In large public school systems the percentage is much higher.

"In Washington (28 percent), Baltimore (35 percent) and 16 other major cities, the figure is more than 1 in 4. In some cities, nearly half of the children of public school teachers have abandoned public schools.

In Philadelphia, 44 percent of the teachers put their children in private schools; in Cincinnati, 41 percent; Chicago, 39 percent; Rochester, N.Y., 38 percent. The same trends showed up in the San Francisco-Oakland area, where 34 percent of public school teachers chose private schools for their children; 33 percent in New York City and New Jersey suburbs; and 29 percent in Milwaukee and New Orleans."

 

[PICK3]

I went to public schools

then State college

 

[javaguru]

I went to public schools

then State college

Me too.

 

[javaguru]

Why do people with insight into the public education system choose to disproportionately send their children to private schools?

 

[SpyWizard]

simply put, the education is better, the probability of exposure to TB and other diseases is less, and the children are more likely to associate appropriate behavior due to association with the same social and economically "statued" children..

 

[SpyWizard]

here ya go

https://www.sensepublishers.com/files/9789460913082PR.pdf

 

[smurf2]

Why do people with insight into the public education system choose to disproportionately send their children to private schools?

I wouldn't want my kid in any city public school. All public school systems are not created equally you know.

 

[digimon7068]

my wife teaches in the public school system and my kids attend public school...if you apply for a job in our public school system and the powers that be get wind of the fact that you're sending your kids to the catholic school? your resume goes in the circular file.

 

[uamaverick]

Less nigs in private school. Face it, everybody is a closet racist, when it comes down to it.

 

[digimon7068]

I wouldn't want my kid in any city public school. All public school systems are not created equally you know.

this is true ^^^^

 

[wootoom]

this is true ^^^^

Who the fuck do you think you are??!!

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Public schools no place for teachers' kids - Washington Times


12.2% of parents send their children to private school.

1 in 5 public school teachers send their children to private schools.

In large public school systems the percentage is much higher.

"In Washington (28 percent), Baltimore (35 percent) and 16 other major cities, the figure is more than 1 in 4. In some cities, nearly half of the children of public school teachers have abandoned public schools.

In Philadelphia, 44 percent of the teachers put their children in private schools; in Cincinnati, 41 percent; Chicago, 39 percent; Rochester, N.Y., 38 percent. The same trends showed up in the San Francisco-Oakland area, where 34 percent of public school teachers chose private schools for their children; 33 percent in New York City and New Jersey suburbs; and 29 percent in Milwaukee and New Orleans."

It's becoming more and more a matter of, if you want your kids to be well educated, you better either have the time and know-how to homeschool them or the money to send them to private school.

 

[digimon7068]

Who the fuck do you think you are??!!

who is your daddy and what does he do??!!

 

[smurf2]

It's becoming more and more a matter of, if you want your kids to be well educated, you better either have the time and know-how to homeschool them or the money to send them to private school.

Or move to a suburb that has a decent school district and dont put them in inner city schools

 

[javaguru]

Or move to a suburb that has a decent school district and dont put them in inner city schools

What about the single moms working two jobs with a deadbeat dad that can't afford to leave the communist collective school system by being denied a choice.

 

[nimbus]

how about controlling for fucking income. just a thought

 

[-SD-]

Dont live in a shit school district
People move all the time to better public school districts for their kids

 

[smurf2]

What about the single moms working two jobs with a deadbeat dad that can't afford to leave the communist collective school system by being denied a choice.

I was a single mom working 2 jobs with no child support and i still owned a condo and had my son in a good school district. Why isnt there a choice to move?

 

[-SD-]

I was a single mom working 2 jobs with no child support and i still owned a condo and had my son in a good school district. Why isnt there a choice to move?

Because people talk the good talk about wanting whats best for their kids but dont want to make the hard choices to actually make it happen

 

[smurf2]

The other thing is though, i had opportunities that others may not have. College education paid for by my parents. If i fell on hard times, my parents bailed me out more than once (helping me pay a bill, or pay off a credit card, bought me a new car). I also lived with them rent free for 4 yrs while i worked 2 jobs and saved money, then bought my own place.

I am lucky, most single parents dont have those kinds of resources.

 

[digimon7068]

Dont live in a shit school district
People move all the time to better public school districts for their kids

my wife and i make a less money now, so that we can live in an area where we feel comfortable raising children...

 

[tryin2tone]

my wife and i make a less money now, so that we can live in an area where we feel comfortable raising children...

I drive about an hour and a half to work every day for a few reasons, this being the main one. The school my son is in now is a great school, the teachers are great and they really work with him and his disability. He feels comfortable here.

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[tryin2tone]

The other thing is though, i had opportunities that others may not have. College education paid for by my parents. If i fell on hard times, my parents bailed me out more than once (helping me pay a bill, or pay off a credit card, bought me a new car). I also lived with them rent free for 4 yrs while i worked 2 jobs and saved money, then bought my own place.

I am lucky, most single parents dont have those kinds of resources.

You might have been a single mom in the aspect of the father being absent, but it doesn't sound like you had the true "single mom" struggle like the rest of us who didn't have everything handed to us.

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[smurf2]

You might have been a single mom in the aspect of the father being absent, but it doesn't sound like you had the true "single mom" struggle like the rest of us who didn't have everything handed to us.

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Well that's why I pointed out the opportunities I had. I did have to work 2 jobs to pay my bills, had no money leftover, lived in a very modest 2bd/1ba condo. There was a period of time i went without car insurance for about a yr bc I couldnt afford it. So, i had help when things got real bad (overdrawn on my acct by >$600) but i still struggled deciding which bills to pay, which to pay late etc.

And his father was never 'absent', he just didn't pay child support.

 

[-SD-]

The other thing is though, i had opportunities that others may not have. College education paid for by my parents. If i fell on hard times, my parents bailed me out more than once (helping me pay a bill, or pay off a credit card, bought me a new car). I also lived with them rent free for 4 yrs while i worked 2 jobs and saved money, then bought my own place.

I am lucky, most single parents dont have those kinds of resources.

Oh look at me, my parents were around when i needed them

 

[tryin2tone]

Well that's why I pointed out the opportunities I had. I did have to work 2 jobs to pay my bills, had no money leftover, lived in a very modest 2bd/1ba condo. There was a period of time i went without car insurance for about a yr bc I couldnt afford it. So, i had help when things got real bad (overdrawn on my acct by >$600) but i still struggled deciding which bills to pay, which to pay late etc.

And his father was never 'absent', he just didn't pay child support.

Not to be nosey, but how many bills did you have? Seemed like everything was pretty much covered.
I know all to well about overdrawn accounts, and barely getting by. I went for about 6 months without a job living on my own with my child, we had no cable or anything fancy, i made money doing odd jobs and paid what was important, and made sure there was food on the table.
Now I'm doing better, got a good-ish job, and definitely a better support system than ive ever had.


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[smurf2]

Oh look at me, my parents were around when i needed them

IKR! I should be looked down upon because my family was able and willing and decent enough to help me out in a time of need. I should feel shame because i didn't have it rough enough. Oh well.

 

[mistaballoonhands]

Because people talk the good talk about wanting whats best for their kids but dont want to make the hard choices to actually make it happen

If my memory serves me right, you've never been married and have never had any children, right? I just want to put the shit you always say into the correct context.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

If my memory serves me right, you've never been married and have never had any children, right? I just want to put the shit you always say into the correct context.

Nothing wrong with not wanting kids. We have a tough enough time trying to figure out what to do with all the ones we already have in this country, not to mention the planet.

 

[digimon7068]

IKR! I should be looked down upon because my family was able and willing and decent enough to help me out in a time of need. I should feel shame because i didn't have it rough enough. Oh well.

uhhh, i think he was just messing with you??? that's what we do around here, ya know??? if i'm not mistaken, i think i detected some notes of irony and absurdity in his comment???

 

[smurf2]

uhhh, i think he was just messing with you??? that's what we do around here, ya know??? if i'm not mistaken, i think i detected some notes of irony and absurdity in his comment???

I was being facetious because of t2t's post

 

[digimon7068]

If my memory serves me right, you've never been married and have never had any children, right? I just want to put the shit you always say into the correct context.

well...he used to be a kid and (i'm assuming) he had parents, so he has a context, yes??

 

[smurf2]

Nothing wrong with not wanting kids. We have a tough enough time trying to figure out what to do with all the ones we already have in this country, not to mention the planet.

Balloonhands wasn't saying that everyone should have kids. He's pointing out that SD seems to have all the answers despite never having been a parent and been faced with those hard decisions he seems to think are so easy to make/carry out

 

[bigbassturd]

This thread sucks

 

[mistaballoonhands]

well...he used to be a kid and (i'm assuming) he had parents, so he has a context, yes??

Im not really seeing it. Fuck at least puddles was entertaining.

 

[digimon7068]

Im not really seeing it. Fuck at least puddles was entertaining.

i miss puddles

 

[digimon7068]

I was being facetious because of t2t's post

color me stupid

 

[gatemoney]

The other thing is though, i had opportunities that others may not have. College education paid for by my parents. If i fell on hard times, my parents bailed me out more than once (helping me pay a bill, or pay off a credit card, bought me a new car). I also lived with them rent free for 4 yrs while i worked 2 jobs and saved money, then bought my own place.

I am lucky, most single parents dont have those kinds of resources.

Wow... Honesty.
Both of my parents were useless.
I pretty much raised myself And now I hate the world because of it.

 

[gatemoney]

I was being facetious because of t2t's post

Don't Explain yourself to that big head bish!

 

[WoodyO]

I better see some titties real fuckin' soon...

 

[tryin2tone]

I was being facetious because of t2t's post

Wth!!!! Everything i asked and said was legitimate. I guess my definition and your definition of being a single parent is a little bit different based on the opportunities each of us had.
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[javaguru]

how about controlling for fucking income. just a thought

They did, if you read the article. Teachers making less than 45k a year, new teachers, couldn't afford private school due to opportunity cost or were too uninformed to make a cost benefit analysis about the system due to inexperience with how the system works and the outcomes produced.

It's a skewed cost benefit analysis because the teachers had to pay for the communist system, via taxes, regardless of how they valued a private school education and they still chose to pay above and beyond knowing the system.

You can look up the DoE data, I have, and private school teachers make a base salary of about 10k less on average, 46k vs 36k, than public school teachers while working on average 100 more hours per year.

 

[nimbus]

They did, if you read the article. Teachers making less than 45k a year, new teachers, couldn't afford private school due to opportunity cost or were too uninformed to make a cost benefit analysis about the system due to inexperience with how the system works and the outcomes produced.

It's a skewed cost benefit analysis because the teachers had to pay for the communist system, via taxes, regardless of how they valued a private school education and they still chose to pay above and beyond knowing the system.

they dont choose to pay above and beyond, when controlling for income. the percentage sending kids to private school drops to 10%, which is in line with the rate of the general population. the whole article had a stupid premise with biased results due to income effects

 

[smurf2]

Wth!!!! Everything i asked and said was legitimate. I guess my definition and your definition of being a single parent is a little bit different based on the opportunities each of us had.
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So based on 'your definition' I wasn't a single parent? What was I then? A double parent? You make no sense.

 

[uamaverick]

45k for a public school teacher is retarded. I know that's the average, and it's more like 35k here in the south.

Still, 35k is just fine. They work 9 months a year, get 2-3 more weeks off for Christmas, get a week off for Spring Break, get several more days for fall break, and get every other "bank holiday" off. So really, they're only working 8 months a year. In addition to that, they're only working 7-8 hour days. 35k is more than enough compensation.

 

[tryin2tone]

So based on 'your definition' I wasn't a single parent? What was I then? A double parent? You make no sense.

You know I had this really long rebuttal for you but you know what, it's not really worth my time. You'll find something wrong with it, take offense to it, and just come right back at me with more bitchiness. It's just like you said not everybody had the opportunities that you have had, and I'll leave it at that.

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[smurf2]

It's just like you said not everybody had the opportunities that you have had

Yes, that's exactly what I said.

I was trying to point out to SD that its not as easy as he thinks to make those hard decisions etc when you're a struggling single parent. How would he know, he's never been a single parent. Some people have support, some don't, everyone's experience is different. You seem to be mad at me because i had support from a family who was able and willing to be there for me in a time of need. If you're mad or jealous, that's your issue, not mine. It's not a competition of who had it worse.

 

[tryin2tone]

Yes, that's exactly what I said.

I was trying to point out to SD that its not as easy as he thinks to make those hard decisions etc when you're a struggling single parent. How would he know, he's never been a single parent. Some people have support, some don't, everyone's experience is different. You seem to be mad at me because i had support from a family who was able and willing to be there for me in a time of need. If you're mad or jealous, that's your issue, not mine. It's not a competition of who had it worse.

Hell no, I ain't mad or jealous of you. I am proud of myself for being able to raise my child as well as I have, with what I had. And im going to keep on doing what im doing, cause its worked up til now.
I think its great you had a family that could do that for you. Good for you. You're the one that copped an attitude about it all.

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[smurf2]

Hell no, I ain't mad or jealous of you. I am proud of myself for being able to raise my child as well as I have, with what I had. And im going to keep on doing what im doing, cause its worked up til now.
I think its great you had a family that could do that for you. Good for you. You're the one that copped an attitude about it all.

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Oh really? Please refer to posts #23 and #26

Also,

 

[wootoom]

i seriously want to rail all the teachers at my kids schools...wow....and all the moms

 

[tryin2tone]

Oh really? Please refer to posts #23 and #26

Also,

. Are you going through menopause or something? You need to chill the fuck out, and hop down off that high horse you're on. You are no better than me, contrary to what you may believe.



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[smurf2]

. Are you going through menopause or something? You need to chill the fuck out, and hop down off that high horse you're on. You are no better than me, contrary to what you may believe.



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uhh what? I said I was?

 

[tryin2tone]

uhh what? I said I was?

OK then, there it is. I accept it, now move on and leave me the fuck alone. K.

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[smurf2]

I still don't know why you're so mad at me. I even tried to lighten the mood by posting that funny ass picture but you totally ignored it.

Oh well.

 

[tryin2tone]

I still don't know why you're so mad at me. I even tried to lighten the mood by posting that funny ass picture but you totally ignored it.

Oh well.

I'm not mad at you. <----- see.

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[smurf2]

oh sweet!

 

[smurf2]

Everytime you post, I look at your tattoo and wonder if it was painful. Did it hurt?

 

[tryin2tone]

I actually kinda enjoy what we got going here. Any time I need a release, I know you'll be here. Lol. ;-)

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[smurf2]

When I need a release, I go to www.xhamster.com

 

[pdaddyII]

Pillow fight!

 

[tryin2tone]

When I need a release, I go to www.xhamster.com

Ahahahahaha I wasn't talking about that kind, but I did walk right into that.

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[smurf2]

 

[pdaddyII]

Holy e flirt alert

 

[tryin2tone]

Holy e flirt alert

You jelly?

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[wootoom]

Keep fighting for fuck sakes or I will ban both of you

 

[tryin2tone]

Keep fighting for fuck sakes or I will ban both of you

Lol. OK, you throw out a topic.

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[smurf2]

Keep fighting for fuck sakes or I will ban both of you

Can I purg?

 

[tryin2tone]

Can I purg?

I'm sure there's a cream for that!

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[wootoom]

abortion? whats your girls take?

 

[pdaddyII]

Lolololol

 

[tryin2tone]

abortion? whats your girls take?

We already went thru this.

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[WoodyO]

Is it a pizza once you pull it out of the oven, or from the moment you put your hands in the dough?

 

[tryin2tone]

Is it a pizza once you pull it out of the oven, or from the moment you put your hands in the dough?

Ahahaha, I dint think this is a good comparison.

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[digimon7068]

Don't Explain yourself to that big head bish!

did i divulge my helmet size to you?? it was an 8&3/4...those hats that say one size fits all?? fuckin lies...

 

[wootoom]

i hate 2 alters in here

 

[PICK3]

Is it a pizza once you pull it out of the oven, or from the moment you put your hands in the dough?

At the moment of ensoulment, so no stem cell research of 5 day old blastocyst

Signed,
George W.

 

[javaguru]

they dont choose to pay above and beyond, when controlling for income. the percentage sending kids to private school drops to 10%, which is in line with the rate of the general population. the whole article had a stupid premise with biased results due to income effects

Chicago public school teachers with higher incomes probably live in higher property value neighborhoods and probably own as opposed to rent which means they pay more into the public school system via property and income taxes. The union algorithm for income is based on years of experience and educational attainment as their metrics for merit based pay; Which pushes the income data and outcomes toward the older teachers that understand the system and disproportionately choose to send their children to private schools.

 

[nimbus]

Chicago public school teachers with higher incomes probably live in higher property value neighborhoods and probably own as opposed to rent which means they pay more into the public school system via property and income taxes. The union algorithm for income is based on years of experience and educational attainment as their metrics for merit based pay; Which pushes the income data and outcomes toward the older teachers that understand the system and disproportionately choose to send their children to private schools.

the data don't justify the conclusion that it's because "they understand the system." it could be entirely due to the fact that they have higher salaries and are able to better afford private school. they need to compare households with teachers to all households with similar income

 

[javaguru]

the data don't justify the conclusion that it's because "they understand the system." it could be entirely due to the fact that they have higher salaries and are able to better afford private school. they need to compare households with teachers to all households with similar income

I would postulate that higher income individuals are more likely to choose private over public schools due to perceived value. A family of four making 38k a year has a large opportunity cost to send their children to private school while a family of four with an income of 76k a year makes a different opportunity cost valuation; That's why the study found that teachers making less than 45k a year send their children to private schools at a lower rate than the national average. Perhaps they think parental attention will make up for any deficit in the system but that's just supposition; It's impossible to control for the decision making process.

 

[nimbus]

I would postulate that higher income individuals are more likely to choose private over public schools due to perceived value. A family of four making 38k a year has a large opportunity cost to send their children to private school while a family of four with an income of 76k a year makes a different opportunity cost valuation; That's why the study found that teachers making less than 45k a year send their children to private schools at a lower rate than the national average. Perhaps they think parental attention will make up for any deficit in the system but that's just supposition; It's impossible to control for the decision making process.

yea man, i'm not saying private schools aren't better. i'm sure they are in most cases. i was just challenging the premise that "public schools are even worse than we thought" because teachers (insiders) send their kids to private school at a higher rate than the rest of us.

 

[digimon7068]

Chicago public school teachers with higher incomes probably live in higher property value neighborhoods and probably own as opposed to rent which means they pay more into the public school system via property and income taxes. The union algorithm for income is based on years of experience and educational attainment as their metrics for merit based pay; Which pushes the income data and outcomes toward the older teachers that understand the system and disproportionately choose to send their children to private schools.

the catholic school system in our town awards financial aid to those who don't have the wherewithal to pay...

 

[javaguru]

the catholic school system in our town awards financial aid to those who don't have the wherewithal to pay...

Are they merit based awards or income based?; A lot of low income athletes get scholarships to Catholic schools. I know, I wrestled them and played football against them as a public school system student. Back in the day, most state champions had a St. before their school name.

I have no problem with private schools, I support them on principal, but they get tax incentives and federal funds while being able to raise donations that are tax free; Which means my tax dollars indirectly support religion and I'm not a big fan of religion. Likewise, if they're religious based they don't have to be audited like other non-profits.

 

[digimon7068]

Are they merit based awards or income based?; A lot of low income athletes get scholarships to Catholic schools. I know, I wrestled them and played football against them as a public school system student. Back in the day, most state champions had a St. before their school name.

I have no problem with private schools, I support them on principal, but they get tax incentives and federal funds while being able to raise donations that are tax free; Which means my tax dollars indirectly support religion and I'm not a big fan of religion. Likewise, if they're religious based they don't have to be audited like other non-profits.

it's income-based...and it allows people into that system, who are exactly the kind of people that the tuition-paying parents are trying to escape...i guess my point is that private school "exclusivity" is kind of a farce in many instances...also, our public school system has waaaayyyyyy more technology tools than the catholic school...we're catholic, but i have no desire to send my kids to catholic school.

 

[javaguru]

it's income-based...and it allows people into that system, who are exactly the kind of people that the tuition-paying parents are trying to escape...i guess my point is that private school "exclusivity" is kind of a farce in many instances...also, our public school system has waaaayyyyyy more technology tools than the catholic school...we're catholic, but i have no desire to send my kids to catholic school.

I'm not arguing for exclusivity; The Catholic system believes in wealth redistribution as doctrine but it's still a voluntary system. I'm not arguing there aren't bad private schools and good public schools, people move to Ottawa Hills and pay outrageous amounts for homes and in property taxes so their kids can attend a consistently high ranking public school.

Michelle Rhee, the former DC chancellor and school reformer, attended Maumee Country Day School which is the best private school in NW Ohio, they send 1-3 grads every year to the ivy league and they advertise it;They have scholarships for the underprivileged but it's still a consensual relationship.

I don't have access to their (Maumee Country Day School) data but nationwide the average private school teacher makes about 10k less per year and works 100 more hours and that's from BLS and DoE data.

People purchase cars on their values, if I had kids then I would probably drive a Volvo but my Jetta is just fine in my opinion. School choice is the primary issue. Imagine if you had to pay tuition for your daughters to your local state college in addition to their Harvard tuition? I prefer free markets but vouchers and are the next best thing.