Dbol/Testo Deca cycle

[qwertyl]

I’d like some input on my cycle and particularly PCT please.
For training background I used to play soccer on a fairly high level working out 20-35 hours a week. But due to an injury I have been unable to work out much until about 8 months ago. I’m 32 years, 195lbs, 18%bf and this is my first cycle. Some of you will naturally criticize that my starting bf is to high but keep in mind I don’t aim for a bodybuilder body but rather to get quicker back into shape and bf around 14-15% ish.
My diet is currently very healthy consisting mostly on eggs, chicken, steaks and other protein rich sources.
To my current cycle:
I’m on Dbol 30mg/day 4 weeks
Testo E 500mg 12 weeks
Deca 300mg 10 weeks
Masteron 100mg oed week 9-12

My initial plan was running testo only, but I was given the Deca and Mast for free from a friend. Most of you would not recommend deca for first cycle, but as of yet my mood and libido is through the roof so no all good so far. I would have wanted to add HCG gen but that’s unavailable in my area unfortunately. With my BF percentage Mast won’t show much positive on the outside. But is it much to lose on actually adding it? I have it, it’s free and if I don’t use it I’ll have to give it back.

PCT plan is HCG 1000iu EOD week 14-17
Clomoid 50mg ed for week 14-18
O.5mg Arimidex week 14-18.
This is pretty much the PCTs that are available in my area except Nolva which I’ve read warnings about so not really keen on adding. For other PCTs it means I will have to import it taking the risk that it might be stopped in customs. That is not a huge deal as it just means the money is lost but it doesn’t have any legal consequences.
Is there any products it’s worth taking the risk on importing or something you would definitely change on my cycle?

For reference I’ve added a list of the products that are actually available in my area below if there is something that is a must. Any feedback much appreciated.




T 3
Clenbuterol
Nolvadex
Clomid
Turinabol
Anavar
Anadrol Cobra
Winstrol
Proviron
Russere/Dianabo
Arimidex
Viagra
Testosterone Cypionate
Testosterone Enanthate
Sustanon
Testosterone Propionate
Masteron
Masteron E
Trenbolon Acetat
Trenbolon Enanthate
Trenbolon h
Cutmix
Deca
Primobolan

Sustanon
Omnadren
Testobolin
Testorapid
Primobolan
Hcg
Boldebolin
Parabolin
Nandrolone
Hgh/Vitex

 

[Soadman]

BoDy fat % is a bit high fella might want to clean the diet up and get some serious lifting done first !!!

 

[timetogethuge1940]

everything i would put u on blast about u basically covered in your post. this is kind of extensive for a first cycle but its too late to get into that. for your goals i think you picked the wrong compounds to go with. really i think a test only cycle would have been a better option for you. but again.. to late for that. the masteron is a good fit because it will actually help with the sides associated with deca. because of the deca.. have you been taking anything for prolactin? if not i would recommend picking up cabergoline and start running that right away and all the way thru pct. producing breast milk is not a side effect you want to deal with and it is better to have your bases covered on that one rather than to wait and see if you will get it. also u may want to run the armidex during cycle to keep estrogen in check going into pct.

the biggest issue i see is with your pct and u need to get it straightened out so you can recovery fully. deca shuts you down quick and hard and isn't the easiest to recovery from.

first u need to change the time you are running hcg.. u dont want to run it during pct. it is ideal to start it as soon as you notice shrinkage in your balls. running it at 250 iu twice a week is ideal and u will want to stop a few days before pct starts. this will make it so that you wont be so shut down and you can transition into recovery easier.

the clomid is the serm u want during pct. running it at 50 mg a day i think is good since this is your first cycle and it will ensure you will recover better. some will say it is way to high, but if you can handle the sides of it, i think it will work well. nolva can make a good addition to clomid at a low dose.. but u never want to run it when u are running deca or tren. nolva increases the chances of prolactin developing.

the main sponsor for this site.. needtobuildmuscle.com makes some great products that work awesome in pct. i have used them personally before i even joined this forum and can tell you they work well. you may want to think about picking up the post cycle and unleashed combo. these are natural test boosters that will help with the libido sides associated with clomid. also they will give u an increase in test helping to keep your gains while recovering.

i am sure other people will have a lot to offer.. this is just my 2 cents

 

[qwertyl]

I agree that my BF% is a bit high at the moment, but that is mostly due to being unable to work out for 11 months. After the amount of training I was used to those months made me put on weight very quickly. Either way I'm two weeks in on the cycle so even if it could have been better to wait even longer my impatience to get back in shape screwed that.

Unleashed was actually the product I was thinking of trying to import as it is unavailable here (in Norway) so I have to take a risk with costums unless there are alternatives on my list above that can work as alternatives. That's already ordered now so fingers crossed!

I have not taken anything for proclatin. But do I have to take that unless I experience puffy nipples? I'm asking as that was my imporession through my research and also what my seller told me to watch for puffy nipples and if that happened he'd solve it. I have no reason not to believe him (until you experts tell me otherwise) as he would have earned more just selling me a product but at my dosage he didn't think it would be a problem.. There are two brand names for it for what I can find, Dostinex and Cabaser. Are these the specific products you need to get or are there other underground names for them. Are there for example any of the listed products on my list above that will serve the purpose. And again, how important is this with my low-ish dosage of deca?
How about increasing either the time for using Mast or amount; will that have a reducing effect on the deca side effects? That's a topic I haven't spent enough research into.

Armidex I do have already but it's damn expensive here. $100 for 30pills of 0.5mg. Would you still still use it all through your cycle and PCT and at that daily amount?
HCG on the other hand I'll jump directly on your suggestion.

 

[qwertyl]

Ok, point taken; I'll have a review of my diet.
Currently I'm doing cardio 2-3 times a week (800-1200 calories each time according to my watch), and lifting weights 4 times a week (600-750 calories). One day off each week and I drink loads of water.
My BF% is slightly down but waste is up by 0.8 inch. Energy level is through the roof so the day I dislike the most is the day off.


Is the waste development a normal consequence of the Dbol or am I overdoing my protein intake?
And what approach would you suggest, not worry about the waste until after the cycle to build as much muscle as possible and cut after the cycle or work out on a lower energy base. I have gained 10 pounds in 17 days.

 

[joeblow12345]

If your going to import anything then I highly suggest unleashed/ postcycle combo, forma, and daa for use in pct. They work amazingly for recovery. Use the hcg on cycle instead of during pct. And I would also run the test atleast 4 weeks longer then deca to allow it more time to clear. And use a low dose of caber aswell with the deca. 0.25 mg twice a week should be good.

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[qwertyl]

Unleashed I've ordered as they have awsome support (free new products) if you get problems with customs.
How important is caber or are there alternatives, it's really difficult to get hold of here and punished harder by customs through imports.

 

[RickRock13]

Unleashed I've ordered as they have awsome support (free new products) if you get problems with customs.
How important is caber or are there alternatives, it's really difficult to get hold of here and punished harder by customs through imports.

Caber is important to help take care of any prolactin issues. Prami will also do the job, but Caber is better IMO because of the potential sides with Prami.

If you are going to run Deca, you need to have one of them at least

 

[joeblow12345]

If all that juice is readily available then caber should be easily accessible to you. Get if from the same place you get the adex. They should carry it. It also goes by dostinex.

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[qwertyl]

Ok, I'll get hold of some cabers one way or the other.

I'm guessing my last question about weight gains vs waste increase comes more down to subjective priorities but I don't like seing my wasteline going up. Is it a narural consequence of the dbol? I have 12 days left on dbol.
What would you guys do, reduce protein intake; increase the time at the gym (I'ts already high but I could take more); or rather cut after the cycle?

Thanks for great feedback so far!