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I want to get a dog. I don't have a family, so it wouldn't be around children much. I want a dog that would be able to be trained to defend me if I needed. What kind of dog would provide protection for family and friends, but not be a threat to little kids if they decided to pet him? I like rottwielers, pits and german sheapards. I am open to any type of dog. I want one that will be loyal. I would obviously be willing to put the time/money into getting him trained right. Does anyone have any experience with the type of dog i'm looking for?? Thanks, Iron
 
Check your home owners ins. before you get one.
Most will charge more if you have those type of dogs, and some will refuse to insure you altogether.
 
Iron Thrower said:
I want to get a dog. I don't have a family, so it wouldn't be around children much. I want a dog that would be able to be trained to defend me if I needed. What kind of dog would provide protection for family and friends, but not be a threat to little kids if they decided to pet him? I like rottwielers, pits and german sheapards. I am open to any type of dog. I want one that will be loyal. I would obviously be willing to put the time/money into getting him trained right. Does anyone have any experience with the type of dog i'm looking for?? Thanks, Iron
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My boyfriend's parents do not have children and they have a wonderful rottweiler. They are very loyal and can be fierce when needed.
Have you considered the australian cattle dog? It is a cross between a hyena and a german shepherd/collie. Very loyal because they are trained to nip at the heels of cattle to herd them around. I just got one for my father and the little guy follows him around all the time. Loyal to a tee, but a lot of energy.

We also had a collie and a black lab when I was younger. They are very faithful and loving, protective creatures.

Good luck
 
Iron Thrower said:


I want to get a protection gun also. But I think it will be more along the lines of a shotgun. That way, I will more likely maim and dabilitate the robber than kill him.
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Good call. In that case, almost any dog can be trained to be a guard/attack dog. I'd suggest something like a German Shepherd, as they are extremely intelligent and loyal.
 
spentagn said:


Good call. In that case, almost any dog can be trained to be a guard/attack dog. I'd suggest something like a German Shepherd, as they are extremely intelligent and loyal.
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I was thinking that a German Shepherd would be good. I have seen what they can do for police officers. They are amazing dogs. I'll have to do some research on them. Iron
 
Iron Thrower said:


I was thinking that a German Shepherd would be good. I have seen what they can do for police officers. They are amazing dogs. I'll have to do some research on them. Iron
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By far and away one of the most loyal dogs around. That would be a wise choice, although you may hate vacumming every 2 days.


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Doberman Pincher

They are awsome, I had mine trained in the Dauschund. She is a badass now and is a great around the house.
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I have a Red Dobe, and your right they are awesome. He knows just when he should turn up the heat. He loves kids and NO the insurance did not go up. My wife is a Vet. and there has been times when she has written letters for Clients regarding "SO CALLED NASTY DOGS" Her letters normally say something about the breed and that there is no where stated that these "SO CALLED NASTY DOGS" are nasty. Dogs (anykind) do only as they are taught. Teach them to be nasty all the time and they will be nasty all the time. Teach them to be nasty when need be and they will be nasty when need be.
 
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get a rabid ferret.
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Hmmmm...my 4 ferrets all have their shots. I don't really feel safer having them around-- but if you always want to be looking for your keys (which they always steal and hide) they're a great animal to have.
 
If u decide for a german shepherd you should make shure that his hip isn´t sloping, else he will propably get HD ( Hüft Displasie)
in old age.
ELse, i had three of those dogs so far and noone had to be trained to guard the house, they did that naturally.
 
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Thanks for all the replies. What about pitbulls and all the bad press they get? I know a few people who have them that love them. But they get a lot of heat from people. Any opinions??
 
Iron Thrower said:
Thanks for all the replies. What about pitbulls and all the bad press they get? I know a few people who have them that love them. But they get a lot of heat from people. Any opinions??
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I don't like small dogs, and I think pits are uglier than shit. I really wouldn't want one around any children (if you have any) as they are literally bred to be mean bastards.
 
Anatolian Shepard or the Mastiff, there are many different kinds of mastiffs, but most have the same temperment.

And yes, some rarer breeds could be better ala the Brazilian Dogos and Fila breeds. But unless you wanna pay 3k for a dog, go with a mastiff.

Make sure the breeder is registered and does hip/bone and jaw checks. Plan on paying 800-2k for a mastiff puppy. And around 1200 for an anatolian.

I just got my mastiff puppy for 1800 from a local breeder in California. PM if you want to know the breeder contact info.
 
spentagn said:


I don't like small dogs, and I think pits are uglier than shit. I really wouldn't want one around any children (if you have any) as they are literally bred to be mean bastards.
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Pitts aren't that small are they? I thought you grew to be around 80-100lbs?
 
When I got my current dog, one of the reasons I got him was to in part, act as a "security system". I have a yellow lab...big bark. Not too intimatidating, but has proved himself, when it comes to being a protecter. Out of all of the dogs I have had, he has been the best at following my lead, so to speak, and can read me very well... By this I mean if I am at ease so is he, and if I am apprehensive, he becomes very protective.

Do I get any more sleep at night than before....no. lol

~toga
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Code said:
Anatolian Shepard or the Mastiff, there are many different kinds of mastiffs, but most have the same temperment.


Make sure the breeder is registered and does hip/bone and jaw checks. Plan on paying 800-2k for a mastiff puppy. And around 1200 for an anatolian.
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I know mastiff's are huge. What's the average weight of one full grown? Are they pretty good protection/guard dogs? Pretty loyal? I haven't been around too many mastiffs. I just remember them being big and clumsy, and slobbering all over me.
 
spentagn said:


That's a small dog :D
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I guess it is. I just haven't been around dogs in a long time. I'm used to seeing my fat cat waddle around the house, but that's about it. I miss having dogs. I am definitely going to get one as soon as I can afford/house one.
 
It's a very very common misconception that the pittbull breeds are bad around children.

If you go to respectable breeder and raised your pup (from 8 weeks) around children, they will be fine.

The trick is to socialize your dog early on, both with kids and other dogs. The exception for this is alpha bitch dogs, they will not want to be around other alpha dogs ever.
 
Code said:
It's a very very common misconception that the pittbull breeds are bad around children.

If you go to respectable breeder and raised your pup (from 8 weeks) around children, they will be fine.

The trick is to socialize your dog early on, both with kids and other dogs. The exception for this is alpha bitch dogs, they will not want to be around other alpha dogs ever.
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That's part of the problem, is getting the dogs at 8 weeks. The price is also prohibitory, IMO.
 
Well, getting 3-9 month old dogs is fine, so long as the breeder socialized the dogs.

Many quality breeders do this.

The mastiff puppy I just got was almost 3 months old, but had been socialized around the breeder's children and other animals. As a result, I have a quality, large dog that is great with my 3 year old.
 
Iron Thrower said:


I know mastiff's are huge. What's the average weight of one full grown? Are they pretty good protection/guard dogs? Pretty loyal? I haven't been around too many mastiffs. I just remember them being big and clumsy, and slobbering all over me.
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My vote is that there is no priotection dog remotely close to an English Mastiff. (Neopolitan and Bull Mastiffs are not as good as English Mastiffs.) My mastiff weighed about 240 lbs... but there are bigger ones availalbe. Mastiffs are the sweetest most loving breed of dogs. They would never harm a child... but if someone breaks into your home they can bite straight through the femur and take his leg off.

Pit bulls and rotts do not stand a chance against a mastiff. Niether does the worst of the "two leggeds." If you see a mastiff... they will appear sweet and bumbly and awkward... right up until the moment that they need to go into attack mode. Then they somehow swell to twice their normal size and become as sure footed as mountain goats.

I used to live in "Ghost Town" this is the neighborhood near Gold's Gym Venice that had the worst gang war in the country. We ahd 24 killings in the 4 block area that I lived in in a two month time period. The Shoreline Crips, V-13, and others steared way clear of my house. As one kid put it, "Ain't nobody going near that big ass dog."
 
Pitt Bulls are not good watch dogs. They are friendly dogs. Get a Neopolitan Mastiff.

This is the finest watch dog money can buy. They can take care of up to 5 acres of land. Rottys and Doberman are ok.. I have one of each.. but nothing compares to a Neo.. ask anyone who has one.
 
According to Dog Fancy, the two top protection breeds are:

Tibetan Mastiff and the Anatolian Shepard.

But yeah, English is a great protection breed. The regular Mastiff gets the largest with the world record being 270 pounds.

Average weight for a male mastiff is 180.
160 for female.
 
Akitas are awesome guard dogs. I already own one and I'm thinking about purchasing one more. You can't go wrong with this breed.
 
Thanks everyone for all the replies. I am going to do some research on the Neoploitan and English Mastiff. I think having a dog that weighed over 200lbs would be intimidating enough. He wouldn't even have to growl at people. Iron
 
Iron Thrower said:
Thanks for all the replies. What about pitbulls and all the bad press they get? I know a few people who have them that love them. But they get a lot of heat from people. Any opinions??
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:devil: Get a Pit. Most loyal dog in the world. Great with children and will protect the family with it's life. I wont own any other breed. Bad press is just that. A search will provide the statistics on dog bites.
 
spentagn said:


I don't like small dogs, and I think pits are uglier than shit. I really wouldn't want one around any children (if you have any) as they are literally bred to be mean bastards.
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:devil:
You have no taste. Pits are beautiful dogs. You also don't know shit about the bloodline except what you read in the paper.
 
Bigsatan13 said:



:devil: Get a Pit. Most loyal dog in the world. Great with children and will protect the family with it's life. I wont own any other breed. Bad press is just that. A search will provide the statistics on dog bites.
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I totaly agree about Pits having a bad reputation. It's all in about how they are raise.
 
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bunnymt said:

My boyfriend's parents do not have children and they have a wonderful rottweiler.
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YOUR BOYFRIEND'S PARENTS DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN!!! HMMM


KAYNE
 
dballer said:
Pitt Bulls are not good watch dogs. They are friendly dogs.
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HAHA.....TRY TO WALK IN MY BACKYARD. AND IF YOU TRY AND WALK IN MY HOUSE, I HAVE A ROTT WAITING.

PEOPLE....PLEASE REFRAIN FROM SAYING "ROTTY". IT IS GAY!!!



KAYNE
 
POINK

WHO MIGHT YOU BE REFERRING TO? IF YOURE REFERRING TO ME, PLEASE SAY IT.


KAYNE
 
You are dead wrong.....

For those of you that think pitbulls are "small, friendly breed" you are terribly mistaken........ think Mike Tyson vs. Lennox Lewis....and I am not talking about in the ring......my Pit weighs in at 126 lbs. and I would put him up against any Mastiff, Rott or other "Guard Dog" . On the flip side to that he sleeps with my daughter every night......and is well socialized around my girlfriends cat. 126 lbs. of shredded muscle vs. 200 lbs. of slobberknocking pudge...hmmmm.....I wonder.......I wouldn't be so defensive but too many people knock Pits....without knowing anything about the breed.......and If ya call my baby ugly.....I'll whoop your ass........he doesn't have croppped ears...and looks like a big old lab on a fatass fina, eq. test, winny cycle. PEACE:p
 
my Pit weighs in at 126 lbs. and I would put him up against any Mastiff, Rott or other "Guard Dog
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Its true that Pit Bulls are the best fighting dog, but as guard dogs go, a German Shepard would be your best bet. Theyre smart, generally easy to train, reliable, and very loyal. Thats why they make the best police dog.

Of course if you want a "mans" dog cause you're a real tough guy, then go ahead and buy a Pit Bull. Itll make you feel like a big man.
 
The_Mexican said:


Its true that Pit Bulls are the best fighting dog
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THAT IS A FALLACY. A SWEEPING GENERALIZATION TO BE EXACT. THERE IS NO "BEST" FIGHTING DOG. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE OLD ADAGE........THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEONE BIGGER OR BADDER. WELL, THAT APPLIES TO DOGS AS WELL.


KAYNE
 
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bunnymt said:

Have you considered the australian cattle dog? It is a cross between a hyena and a german shepherd/collie.
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lol...you don't actually believe that do you
 
A werewolf. Scares the living shit out of everything.

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1. German Shepherd - Extremely loyal, very protective of its family and property. I have a male (Czech bloodlines) and a female (German and American bloodlines). I can't say enough good things about this breed. Make sure you give them adequate exercise, I walk and run my dogs two miles a day.

2. Rhodesian Ridgeback - Tough to locate a good breeder, but worth the effort. Unsurpassed loyalty, protective and the perfect family dog.
 
Pitt Bulls ARE friendly dogs.. generally. If you bring one with you or if you are home.. and someone comes into the house.. lookout!! These dogs will stop at nothing to defend their owners. I know of one who was hit by a car while chasing an intruder and chewed his own back leg off after it was broken by the car. On the flipside of the coin.. if you come across one that is home alone and you are not afraid of it.. it is not hard to make friends with it.. I am one of those people who can make friends with almost any dog. Rottweilers are the same.. they are great dogs.. I have a male that tips the scale at 156lbs.. he will bark and growl.. but in the end.. you can make friends with him. I also have a Warlock Doberman.. this dog looks like he was spawn from satan.. but he is nicer than Barney. But.. he can take down the Rott with ease.. and if you come on the property and act as if you do not belong.. he will corner you.

Run a search on Neos or English Mastiffs.. if you want a dog that stays at home and keeps people away from your house... this is the dog you want. If you want a dog that you can walk at night and will keep people away from you.. go with the Pitt Bull.
 
This fucker will eat Pitt Bulls like hot wings... from 150 to 200 pounds... you cannot beat this dog.
 
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This fucker will eat Pitt Bulls like hot wings... from 150 to 200 pounds... you cannot beat this dog.
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Great looking dog. How old is he. Try getting him some sunglass,
Looks like the sun is in his eys. LOL j/k
Dimitrios
 
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American Bulldogs...these things are fuckin fierce.

Pits are great dogs, and if you've ever seen em fight its fuckin scary as hell...like said before its all how you raise em. But there gettin all fuckt up from all the inbreeding goin on.

Boxers can be very protective housedogs that are GREAT with kids.

Dobermans are bitches and I wouldn't trust em as far as I could throw em.

Rotts at times can get fat and out of shape.

German Shepards IMO are annoying cause they must be trained well or they are naturally timid dogs.

Really you just find the dog you like and train it how you please. Its most important to keep as least physical human contact as possible outside the immediate family for your dog to be as protective as possible.
 
I have an English Mastiff. He is the baddest fucking dog I have ever seen. He scares fuckers across the street. He looks like such an oaf when he is eating and farting around the yard but when he sees someone come into his area, he is on duty, hardcore! I've had guys do the tough guy thing and say he doesn't scare me. Well, thats a good story but when my dog hits the fence so hard he bends it with his chest because he didn't see you, you'll pay attention. There isn't much more intimidating than a dog looking you in the face through your window while you are still in your car. Unless its one taller than you when he stands up on the fence(and you're a 6 footer yourself!).
 
visions said:
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Dobermans are bitches and I wouldn't trust em as far as I could throw em.
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Why do you say that? I have a Doberman, and so do others that have replied to this thread, and you are the first to say something derogotory about Dobermans. I love mine, she is great, and is very protective. She is also very athletic, and loves to play, so I don't see why you would say that. Maybe you have had a bad run with one, but in general they are grand dogs.
 
Alot of people do not trust Pit Bulls either. I trust my Doberman more than my brother.
 
Peyote Killa said:



Maybe you have had a bad run with one, but in general they are grand dogs.
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Thats all I've just had more than one bad experience with them and I've gotten some negative feedback in general. I ain't tryin to knock your dog, I'm sure its a great dog, I was just stating my opinion in general. I think their great lookin dogs and scary as fuck. But its the ONLY dog that makes me nervous, maybe that's why I've had bad experiences with them. Dogs are no fools they know when your acting like a bitch. LOL But I only acted like that after one of those muthafuckas bit me when I was younger. Does your doberman mind when you rub its side?
 
dballer said:
Alot of people do not trust Pit Bulls either. I trust my Doberman more than my brother.
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I know its weird...I just grew up around mad pits and unless the owner says don't go near it, I've NEVER had a problem with pits.
 
visions said:


Thats all I've just had more than one bad experience with them and I've gotten some negative feedback in general. I ain't tryin to knock your dog, I'm sure its a great dog, I was just stating my opinion in general. I think their great lookin dogs and scary as fuck. But its the ONLY dog that makes me nervous, maybe that's why I've had bad experiences with them. Dogs are no fools they know when your acting like a bitch. LOL But I only acted like that after one of those muthafuckas bit me when I was younger. Does your doberman mind when you rub its side?
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My Dobe(Duke) loves to have his side rubbed. He is the best. Loves everyone until they give him a reason not to love him anymore. I bring him with me everywhere I go and he will not do anything to anyone until I tell him too or if that person does not heed his warning. If he is home alone and you hear him barking inside and still try to come in then Duke just got himself a really big treat. In my wife's pratice she see's all kinds of dogs and Dobe's she tells me have been the most affectionate dogs she has seen. Little ankle bitters are the worst. They do not like to be held or shown any kind of love.
 
Here's my thoughts on a protection Dog / Pet.

You want a Dog that is first off a Pet, Loyal and Obedient yet fun.
Everyone here will have their opinion on what you need...

First steps should be:
http://www.akc.org/recbreeds/
http://www.dogomania.com/breed/

Look for the general temperment, adult size, grooming etc and see if it matches your needs.

You want a Dog that won't just eat someones Ass first and think about it later. You want a Highly intelligent animal with an EVEN temperment for the 99.9% of the time they won't be in protect mode. And one that will be smart enough to know the difference between a infrequent visitor to your house and an Unwanted Stranger.

REMEMBER! Dogs live up to 15+ years. Don't buy a dog on a Whim. Think about it for a Month or more.
You will be restricted by this animal 24x7x365. If you want to go away for the weekend and it can't go along you must kennel or have someone care for it.

You will need to spend extra $ for food, vet bills(shots etc) and whatever they tear up(and they will when a puppy)

My thoughts
#1 German Shepard dog
Temperament The German Shepherd Dog must be even in temperament, well balanced, self assured, totally unself-conscious and, except when provoked, totally good natured. Added to that he must be attentive and easily trained. He must possess courage, combativity and toughness, so as to be a suitable companion, watch, guard, working and herding dog.
MAKE SURE THE PARENTS ARE OFA CERTIFIED !
This relates to a few bloodlines having Hip displasia and the OFA
certification states both parents have been X-rayed and found to
be free of the signs of this fault.

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If you can find a Labrador Retriever / Sheperd mix that would be the perfect Dog IMO...
 
Vision, I understand where you are coming from, I was confused earlier. My dobe loves to have her side rubbed, shit any part of her. She loves to be affectionite, and yes she does know when another person is scared. She has the most extreme of both sides, but that is how I TRAINED her to be.
I could see why they would make you nervous, they are called the devils dog for a reason, but that is why I didn't crop her ears, I left them natural, so she looks less intimidating. She is still 100% doberman though.
 
visions said:

Does your doberman mind when you rub its side?
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Mine does not mind when I do.. but if someone else does.. they get fucked up..

You guys are making me miss my dogs!!! I am at work.. I got like 6 more hours until I get to see them.
 
dballer said:


Mine does not mind when I do.. but if someone else does.. they get fucked up..

You guys are making me miss my dogs!!! I am at work.. I got like 6 more hours until I get to see them.
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It sucks when you have to leave them home doesn't it. When I lived up in NJ and was running my fathers business, he would go to work with me, he even had his own buisness card. "DUKE"
V.P. of security and head of collections
 
dballer said:


Mine does not mind when I do.. but if someone else does.. they get fucked up..

You guys are making me miss my dogs!!! I am at work.. I got like 6 more hours until I get to see them.
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WTF? why do dobermans bug if you do that. Most dogs love that shit.
 
visions said:


WTF? why do dobermans bug if you do that. Most dogs love that shit.
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it is a trust thing. But it is funny you say that.. Cause I thought it was just my dog who was like that.
 
dimitrios said:


It sucks when you have to leave them home doesn't it. When I lived up in NJ and was running my fathers business, he would go to work with me, he even had his own buisness card. "DUKE"
V.P. of security and head of collections
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I've got two dog beds in my office. My dogs love it... they just like to hang all day while I work.
 
SofaGeorge said:


I've got two dog beds in my office. My dogs love it... they just like to hang all day while I work.
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LOL thats what we had in our office. Then when I would go out to check on a jobsite I would tell my Father I was taking Duke and then the battle of who got Duke for the rest of the day went on. It was funny, we would leave the door to office open and if he came out to my vehicle with me then he was mine(which happened almost all the time, but when dad would wave Dukes favoritive favorite toy around in the air then he would want to stay with him, but I would always get a call about 1/2 hour later to come and get Duke because he would be whinning by the office door.
 
We also have a 6 lb Chuhuahua that puts on a great show of trying to eat someone's Ass up when they come in the house.
I've tried to take her food away from her when she's eating and she sounds like a beast from Hell's kitchen.
 
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KAYNE said:


YOUR BOYFRIEND'S PARENTS DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN!!! HMMM


KAYNE
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Hmmm....aren't we bright? Did you ever think that they might be his STEP parents? :confused:
 
Or perhaps that I was referring to his no longer residing at his parent's house and therefore that they have no children in the house?????

Thank you for your concern, though.
 
I have an 8 year old Dobe myself, great dog and very affectionate with people he knows, not aggressive but not overly friendly with strangers. But all in all he is awesome. As for best guard/ protection dogs I would have to say that Belgian Malinois rank very close to the top. Lots of police and highway patrol are now getting these dogs. They have a real strong drive and are active and need to be worked otherwise they become bored. I would not suggest this dog for the first time dog owner though as they really need to be trained properly.
 
Bigsatan13 said:


Bullshit! Mastiffs are not known for their gameness.
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No.. but they are known for size. They have the same type of build (strong head/neck) as a pitt bull.

Have you ever even watched a Mastiff in action? If you have... and you still stand by your claim.. I digress.. but if you have not, your bullshit claim is just that. bullshit.
 
Here is another whip-ass dog.. Tosa Inu

http://www.geocities.com/tosadogs/index.html

This dog will put a whipping on most dogs that have been mentioned here. Don't even come at this thing with some Pitt Bull or German Shepard... these are dogs bred for elite Japanese dog fighting.


"The History of Tosa Fighting Dogs The Tosa fighting dog is a well-known feature of Tosa province. The native Tosa fighting dog had vertical eyes and a curling tail and was a middle-sized dog. This native dog was inter-bred with European dogs, and produced the present fighting dog. A dog is defeated in these fights by giving a shriek or running away. Tosa fighting dogs walk for about 10km every day in order to train their fighting spirit and power. They have ranks e.g. Yokozuna or Ozeki as well as Ozuma."
 
This, from my understanding is the baddest of the bad when it comes to fighting dogs.

I love ALL dogs.. I would say Pitt Bulls and other Bulldogs are my favorite breed... but I cannot think of a badder dog than the Tosa and the Neo.
 
Keeping with the original post, the guy wants a Guard dog / Pet,
not a fighting dog to put in a ring in SF Japan town.

You should look at the whole dogs temperment, not just how BAD ASS it is...

Some dogs are Bad Asses yet don't think thru what they are doing.

Some dogs think so much they don't react to a dangerous situation and flee to save their ass.

Find a dog breed somewhere in the middle. After all, you must be able to control this "Animal". He must know YOU are the boss, not him.
 
Skipping back over to the first page where my opinion of the best watch dog was clearly stated.. you will find that I was sticking to the issue. Then we got into which doggie is the toughest. You can read it all.. just go back to the first page. I am not familiar with the Tosa breed in general.. I only stated that this dog was the physically toughest that I was aware of. I never said this was the choice for a protection dog.
 
A dog that is not properly socialized will probably NOT protect you. He will be very scared of strange things and people. Every dog MUST be properly socialized. Taking your pup to lots of places, such as the pet store, shopping centers, obedience classes, vet offices, will help him gain confidence in strange surroundings. You should introduce your pup to as many different people as possible and see that he responds in a friendly manner. Protective instincts are natural and will not be affected by introducing your dog to friends or people he meets on the street. As long as you feel comfortable with a person, by all means, introduce your dog.
It really doesn't matter what breed of dog you buy, but make sure to TRAIN, and TEACH the dog the way YOU want it to be.
 
dballer said:


No.. but they are known for size. They have the same type of build (strong head/neck) as a pitt bull.

Have you ever even watched a Mastiff in action? If you have... and you still stand by your claim.. I digress.. but if you have not, your bullshit claim is just that. bullshit.
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:devil:
Mastiffs are big and clumsy. I've seen all the dogs you have posted here and a game Pit will beat any of those dogs even if out weighed. The Tosa is a piece of shit bred by the Japanese to fight. Pits have always dominated the sport and have sent their Tosas packing on more then one occasion.Have you ever seen a match? Or conditioned a dog for a match? If so then you know that the smaller dogs are the most game and will fight to the death. Most big strains are curs. Just like people, the big guys with the big mouths are usually the biggest pussies when it comes down to it. I stand by my previous statements.
 
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