First cycle...obvious questions and an easy read

[campagnolo]

I'll Say it Again,for the 1000th Time-ORALS ARE NOT A WASTE!!! it's a steroid just like everything else gezzz! They get a bad rap because most don't know how to use them for keepable gains.

Whats your PCT gonna be like?
I would get unleashed,HCGenerate, and some phyroserms 347 that should finish it off,

I was thinking BioForge with the Anastrozole. What is the rational behind the combinations of test boosters?

 

[Judo Tom]

Judo I understand your points.

To counterpoint:
I am very knowledgeable of dieting and natural muscle gains. I have been few a couple of bulking phases and have had decent gains. I know you guys run into a lot of morons on here that are just trying to get ripped in a short amount of time, I don't believe I fall into that category.

Also to note; the cycle I am attempting is very very mild.

I respect your opinion as you seem to be well versed. I will take it into consideration.

whatever knowledge you have is one thing... your stats are another

if you have all this knowledge then apply it through hard work and dedication. you are going to the sauce too soon.

40mg of dbol is still a lot more than you need regardless.

 

[campagnolo]

whatever knowledge you have is one thing... your stats are another

if you have all this knowledge then apply it through hard work and dedication. you are going to the sauce too soon.

40mg of dbol is still a lot more than you need regardless.

I will review the use of dbol in the cycle. Ideally I want to keep to just test...so the dbol was a bit questionable for me in the first place. The test will be sufficient I assume .

I am going to do a bit more research on my PCT but I don't understand why it is suggested that I mix test boosters.

Also; should the Anastrozole be enough of a estrogen regulator?..

To your other comment:
Is there a certain weight/height ratio that you find ideal before one can use a anabolic steroid?...I believe that argument is invalid. What about ectomorphs or athletes that are light that use test as a PED. I am sure you aren't a Pulitzer prize winning writer, nor have it as a goal. but you still use spell check right? (my apologies if you are). Why can't someone who isn't already 200+ at 5'10'' or doesn't want to become that big use an enhancer?

 

[Judo Tom]

one method that works for most people here and that a lot of the vets suggest is that you should be 25years old or older
have trained for 5 years with true dedication and intensity consistently.
Be able to make gains consistently for YEARS and YEARS
Maintain a consistent and healthy diet for years.
having done all that you then reach a plateau.


that is a good time to start using roids. im sure some people will say those standards are even too low and do not show enough discpline and dedication.

 

[stevesmi]

i was an endurance athlete as well as a powerlifter at different stages of my life. now I bodybuild. I can tell you its hard to be great at each thing so your best bet is to pick one.

if you want to bodybuild which it sounds like you do.. you need to cut down on the endurance training.. run a mile EOD, thats good enough at a 9 or 10 minute pace.. do not keep your heart rate elevated for long periods.. you will burn off muscle doing that.

do that now.. hit the weight room 5-6X per week.. and you will gain mass no problem. no need for steroids quite yet.. when i went from endurance running to bodybuilding I put on 25 pounds first just by cutting down on the running and upping my weight training and eating more carbs/cals.. then i jumped on the sauce, its payed off beautifully for me almost 3 years later.. i've got a very nice look and every 6 months I keep improving on it

 

[campagnolo]

i was an endurance athlete as well as a powerlifter at different stages of my life. now I bodybuild. I can tell you its hard to be great at each thing so your best bet is to pick one.

if you want to bodybuild which it sounds like you do.. you need to cut down on the endurance training.. run a mile EOD, thats good enough at a 9 or 10 minute pace.. do not keep your heart rate elevated for long periods.. you will burn off muscle doing that.

do that now.. hit the weight room 5-6X per week.. and you will gain mass no problem. no need for steroids quite yet.. when i went from endurance running to bodybuilding I put on 25 pounds first just by cutting down on the running and upping my weight training and eating more carbs/cals.. then i jumped on the sauce, its payed off beautifully for me almost 3 years later.. i've got a very nice look and every 6 months I keep improving on it

You guys are ruining all my fun.

I tend to go light on the endurance stuff in the winter as I get into a heavier diet and concentrate on muscle gain.

I completely agree endurance sporting + bodybuilding is not an ideal combination. However I don't feel my goal physique is unachievable while still doing some level of endurance sports.

I know we are discussing a lot of reasons why a simple test cycle isn't ideal for me at this time but all of them seem to be 'rules' that have no concrete backing. Let me ask this ...what are the negative implications of running 500mg of test cyp for 10 weeks in the winter while my cardiovascular activities are at a minimum and I have a proper PCT prepared?

 

[stevesmi]

^^^i've seen posts like this before, i really don't understand your goals at all.. either you are gonna bodybuild or you aren't... there isn't an in between... don't see the point of running a test cycle just for the heck of it and then going back to running another time of year. your gains will be gone by then.

also these aren't rules per se, they are just common sense approaches to training. for example would someone who wants to run a marathon not have to train leading up to it and build up their conditioning and body? then why is bodybuilding any different.. you should build yourself up, get your conditioning down THEN run juice after you have a base. otherwise your gains will dissapear very quickly.

at your height and weight, and looking at your pic.. you do not have much of a base at all. your chest is very small and your shoulders are not wide... you have a very nice endurance athlete body and there is nothing wrong with it. i would rather have that body then a big gut powerlifter body anyday personally. but what we are trying to get at is you can achieve some very nice gains without juice and not risking gyno, HPTA suppression, and other problems from AAS use. so in conclusion i would recommend you add about 25-30 pounds of mass to your frame focusing on lifting.. and then when you get that base come back and we will definately set you up on a cycle to fit your goals.

thats the advice you are gonna get on this board, cause 95% of us on here are 'cycling gym rats/bodybuilders'

 

[RADAR]

^^^i've seen posts like this before, i really don't understand your goals at all.. either you are gonna bodybuild or you aren't... there isn't an in between... don't see the point of running a test cycle just for the heck of it and then going back to running another time of year. your gains will be gone by then.

also these aren't rules per se, they are just common sense approaches to training. for example would someone who wants to run a marathon not have to train leading up to it and build up their conditioning and body? then why is bodybuilding any different.. you should build yourself up, get your conditioning down THEN run juice after you have a base. otherwise your gains will dissapear very quickly.

at your height and weight, and looking at your pic.. you do not have much of a base at all. your chest is very small and your shoulders are not wide... you have a very nice endurance athlete body and there is nothing wrong with it. i would rather have that body then a big gut powerlifter body anyday personally. but what we are trying to get at is you can achieve some very nice gains without juice and not risking gyno, HPTA suppression, and other problems from AAS use. so in conclusion i would recommend you add about 25-30 pounds of mass to your frame focusing on lifting.. and then when you get that base come back and we will definately set you up on a cycle to fit your goals.

thats the advice you are gonna get on this board, cause 95% of us on here are 'cycling gym rats/bodybuilders'

Again! I agree With Steve, You are going to have to pick one Because i can tell you the more muscle you have the harder it is to do a marathon,or any endurance sports,I took Karate for yrs and can honestly say you can put more speed in a leg that is medium muscular than a leg that Bodybuilders have after doing yrs of squats!