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ALIN
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Why bother witht the hassle when TEST PROP is readily available and affordable.
Jdub,
That's interesting I've researched the so called "magic" solution for over a year. I personally use the frozen distiller water drip myself because I found it yields considerable more T. I may give the quick 60 minute method a try. Thanks for the input, nice to see other BOP chiming in!!
Curious though.. What made you conclude 60 minutes was enough? BTW I use a t-shirt as well, lol. Coffee filters will have you rinsing all damn night!!!
That's interesting I've researched the so called "magic" solution for over a year. I personally use the frozen distiller water drip myself because I found it yields considerable more T. I may give the quick 60 minute method a try. Thanks for the input, nice to see other BOP chiming in!!
Curious though.. What made you conclude 60 minutes was enough? BTW I use a t-shirt as well, lol. Coffee filters will have you rinsing all damn night!!!
Ox-Sandra-Loan
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Extract with diethyl ether, and then recrystallize from methanol-water or ethanol-water. Maybe re-crystallize 2 times.
If you don't mind TnE, its even easier - hydrolyze the ester with base, collect the filtrate, wash, and re-crystallize.
Method I would personally use: extract and concentrate, and seperate on a preparatory chromatography columnn, or preparatory HPLC, and re-crystallize. I can't be responsible for your results though, I have worked in laboratories for around 10 years. If you aren't familiar with laboratory work and confident of your laboratory technique, I would advise against doing it at all without a kit.
(also this might be a better question for the bodybuilding chemistry forum, though I do understand that many more people read this section)
If you don't mind TnE, its even easier - hydrolyze the ester with base, collect the filtrate, wash, and re-crystallize.
Method I would personally use: extract and concentrate, and seperate on a preparatory chromatography columnn, or preparatory HPLC, and re-crystallize. I can't be responsible for your results though, I have worked in laboratories for around 10 years. If you aren't familiar with laboratory work and confident of your laboratory technique, I would advise against doing it at all without a kit.
(also this might be a better question for the bodybuilding chemistry forum, though I do understand that many more people read this section)
Ox,
Don't take this personal but people here aren't lab pro's. So in-depth or even the usage of buzz words scares most off from what is a really simplistic "experiment". If you want to be more helpful write out a step by step process in layman's terms. I'm sure all would appreciate it especially from someone experienced working in a lab!! ;-)
Regardless, thank you for your input!
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Don't take this personal but people here aren't lab pro's. So in-depth or even the usage of buzz words scares most off from what is a really simplistic "experiment". If you want to be more helpful write out a step by step process in layman's terms. I'm sure all would appreciate it especially from someone experienced working in a lab!! ;-)
Regardless, thank you for your input!
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Blissfam10
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When I wanted to do an experiment like this I just got a dazed syno kit from XXXXXX not to hard comes with a step by step DVD and walks you through the whole process.
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chembeaker
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what is important before attempting anything like this is to understand what it is you are doing, you don't want to just blindly follow instructions from someone who may not have any idea of what they are doing either. chemistry can be dangerous if you don't understand purification, sodium hydroxide in your syringe will make you forget about steroids damn fast, it will also destroy your product if not careful.
the significance of the sodium hydroxide tis that it is able to react with phenolic hydroxyl groups to form a salt which is water soluble, usually calcium hydroxide would be used as it is far more effective and the alkali component is less harmful than sodium so whoever made the kits was not up to an acceptable standard in second year organic chemistry for supplying such items to consumers. the Na+ -O-estro forms immediately, similarily with morphine production the soluble calcium salt is immediately formed and no reaction time required, reaction time will only serve to cleave the propionate ester (not salt) from testosterone, especially in the presence of methanol which can aid somewhat in the hydrolysis.
once you have added your "majic liquid" (what a fucking insult to your intelligence) you can begin a drip of ice water or better yet add ice cubes directly to the methanol and they will slowly melt. the slow addition is so that you more crystallize the testosterone prop than precipitate it. by flooding with water you crash it out to a muck which you can't filter (a problem it took us many months to overcome with the synth of test from dhea), by slowly and cold addition of water the test forms more xtalline and filerable as you give the product the time it needs to do so. Now you have a salt of estrogen dissolved in water and tp floating in it which you filter out, rinse with distilled water to remove estro and dry (sixty celcius in the oven is fine).
when recrystallizing test prop you must have complete dryness, any water fucks it up by not allowing the tp to dissolve. methanol is your best bet as it is the dryest alcohol you can buy otc. go outside and get some methanol boiling on an electric hot plate, use a condensor if you can but a glass beaker with very high sides and a fan blowing on it will be fine too. now add the tp slowly until its all in and boil for up to a half hour, add more methanol at that point if not all is dissolved. now turn off the heat and leave the beaker on it to cool even more slowly, you get better xtals. in a few hours you'll begin to get huge crackly hard xtals of test prop that you can filter out when its done, give it overnight, and rinse with methanol then dry in the air.
my experience has been with self prepared esters like acetate and hydrocinnamate, prop should behave just like acetate although acetate is notoriously insoluble in the vegetable oils and 50mgml is about peak even with ethyl oleate or isopropylpalmitate/castor so its best avoided. acetate did make nice xtals from methanol so prop will too.
the significance of the sodium hydroxide tis that it is able to react with phenolic hydroxyl groups to form a salt which is water soluble, usually calcium hydroxide would be used as it is far more effective and the alkali component is less harmful than sodium so whoever made the kits was not up to an acceptable standard in second year organic chemistry for supplying such items to consumers. the Na+ -O-estro forms immediately, similarily with morphine production the soluble calcium salt is immediately formed and no reaction time required, reaction time will only serve to cleave the propionate ester (not salt) from testosterone, especially in the presence of methanol which can aid somewhat in the hydrolysis.
once you have added your "majic liquid" (what a fucking insult to your intelligence) you can begin a drip of ice water or better yet add ice cubes directly to the methanol and they will slowly melt. the slow addition is so that you more crystallize the testosterone prop than precipitate it. by flooding with water you crash it out to a muck which you can't filter (a problem it took us many months to overcome with the synth of test from dhea), by slowly and cold addition of water the test forms more xtalline and filerable as you give the product the time it needs to do so. Now you have a salt of estrogen dissolved in water and tp floating in it which you filter out, rinse with distilled water to remove estro and dry (sixty celcius in the oven is fine).
when recrystallizing test prop you must have complete dryness, any water fucks it up by not allowing the tp to dissolve. methanol is your best bet as it is the dryest alcohol you can buy otc. go outside and get some methanol boiling on an electric hot plate, use a condensor if you can but a glass beaker with very high sides and a fan blowing on it will be fine too. now add the tp slowly until its all in and boil for up to a half hour, add more methanol at that point if not all is dissolved. now turn off the heat and leave the beaker on it to cool even more slowly, you get better xtals. in a few hours you'll begin to get huge crackly hard xtals of test prop that you can filter out when its done, give it overnight, and rinse with methanol then dry in the air.
my experience has been with self prepared esters like acetate and hydrocinnamate, prop should behave just like acetate although acetate is notoriously insoluble in the vegetable oils and 50mgml is about peak even with ethyl oleate or isopropylpalmitate/castor so its best avoided. acetate did make nice xtals from methanol so prop will too.
chembeaker
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just what are you suggesting here? extract with diethylether? good thing you've got strong arms cuz youre gonna be shaking for hours to dissolve it out of a methanol solution, and its never gonna separate. the whole purpose of the water drip is the precipitate the tp so it can be filtered, you'd need literally litres if not gallons of ether at that temperature to dissolve the ppt'd tp.
hydrolyze the base, ok, that forms propanoic acid which then reacts to use up your carefully measured sodium hydroxide thus not allowing it to react with the phenolic hydroxyl leaving estrogen in the final product.
alcohol-water is not a recrystallization with respect to tp it is a precipitation, to get xtals you must dissolve and use cooling to bring out the clear needles.
prepatory columns are generally used in synthesis, you already have pure tp you are just simply partitioning it based on solubility from the testp, its already pure, you don't even need to recrystallize it , fun to use big words and terms though. just kidding around lol
kits are unneccessary, this is just too easy and you can make a better kit on your own thats less likely to cleave the propionate ester by utilizing calcium hydroxide instead of sodium hydroxide, it just may take a little longer to dissolve the calcium hdyroxide prior to use. buy the following:
-distilled water
-methyl hydrate, methanol, same shit different name
-calcium hydroxide, plant store, remember it has twice the ability to form the salt with phenolics as lye so only half the relative amount is needed
-coffe filters or a manual centrifuge
-a one litre pyrex beaker
-a hot plate
to figure out how much of each thing you need go to google and type in molecular weight of test prop, then calcium hydroxide, then estrogen or estradiol etc.. and finally sodium hydroxide. molecular weight makes everything relative, like a handicapping. so to find out the calcium hydroxide you need:
grams of estrogen in sample to get rid of * 1/molecular weight of estrogen = number moles you have X
X moles estrogen * molecular weight of calcium hydroxide in grams/mole = grams needed of calcium hydroxide BUT remember you only need half that as calcium hdyroxide has two hydroxides in every molecule so it does twice the work per mol so cut that number in half and thats the grams of calcium hydroxide needed. if you use exact amounts there is no reason to fear the cleavage of tp as the reactioin with the phenolic estro is thermodynamically favorable and happens first leaving no calhydrox for cleaving the tp.
for methanol you use whatever it takes to dissolve your material.
everyone here can do this without needing to buy a magic dissolving solution (i'm sorry i find that so offensive), if you can negotiate the internet you can make your own kit and effectively utilize it
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