Advice for an old guy? Dbol

[Oldtrainer]

Hello:

Opinion on this cycle for an older (!) man. I have seen plenty written about cycle theory on younger guys (mostly negative) but precious little about cycles in older guys. I have also noticed a change in cycle theory from about 10 years ago. At that time it was ramp up, peak, ramp down, and then PCT. Now it seems you just START and STOP.

Age: 47
Weight: 250 (ideal weight is 235-240, all excess weight in gut)
Height: 6’ 4” (very ecto naturally)
Diet: Good. I stick to lower carb in general, 3000 cal/day or so

This will be my second cycle but the first one was about 14 years ago and consisted of a simple 4 week Dbol (up to 25mg/day) with Clomid PCT. No problems.

I have been training consistently for about 25 years with little break other then the occasional week off or travel related stoppage. I have been quite a dedicated lifter for a long time. Still pretty strong for an old guy, still able to get about 315/8 on fb, 405/6 squat, etc.

My objective is to push boundaries. I have been using some 3,6,17 Androstenetrione with pleasing effects but feel it is not enough. I will not inject for several reasons. It is just not happening. I read A LOT before I do anything. Based on recent theory and LOTS of reading, here is the Dbol cycle I have planned. I know it is not aggressive by most standards but I am simply looking for a boost. Also, the impact on an older man is unclear to me.

Week 1: 15mg/day
Week 2: 20 mg/day
Week 3: 25 mg/day
Week 4: 25 mg/day
Week 5: 15 mg/day
Week 6: 40 mg Nov/day
Week 7: 20 mg Nov/day
Week 8: 20 mg Nov/day

Any constructive comments or suggestions appreciated.

Thank you.

 

[stevesmi]

there are some vets who run dbol for longer then 4 weeks.. but they are very experienced and know what to expect and when to stop etc.

since you are relatively new lets stick to the basics with dbol.

weeks 1-4 20-30mg per day split dosages

keep in mind you can expect a lot of aromatization with dbol so if your bp is out of line then you want to get that knocked down before dbol. and you may want to keep an AI on hand unless you don't mind the bloated fish look.

PCT with that short of a cycle of unleashed and post cycle will suffice

if you go longer then 4 weeks you will need more.

you will not lose weight on dbol so if that is your goal you need to re-evaluate your plans

 

[Oldtrainer]

Thank you, Steve.

If I read your reply correctly, you suggest using the Dbol for 4 weeks (drop the 5th), the Nov as PCT, plus the "Unleashed" (The "Unleashed" link you inserted does not work)

My goal is NOT to lose weight and my BP is fine. I just want a boost in training, get a little stronger, push the boundary. I can support another 10-20lbs on my frame.

I guess my more fundamental question has to do with the age factor. Are there any special considerations associated with an over 45 guy?

Thank you again.

 

[stevesmi]

if you keep it under 4 weeks you don't need nolva.. just unleashed and post cycle

but you do need an AI on hand in case you get too bloated, but hey its up to you.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I wouldn't recommend dbol for an older guy. Too harsh. And 15 mgs won't do much.

I wouldn't recommend nolva to my worst enemy. Shit drug.

For a first time cycle for a guy your age -- 300 mgs of primo and 200 mgs of test a week for 4 weeks. You'll love it.

Make sure you have some N2Guard and PCT ready.

 

[kc17]

what'S WRONG with injections ??? is just mental , look at it as a mosquito bite !! ... you'll get better results, follow nelson's advise he has a lot of knowledge on this field

 

[daveyboy2345]

I'm sure you have had blood drawn from the inside of your elbow many times correct? Well that needle is always a 20-21g 1-1/2 inch needle, now that is big. Injecting yourself with a 1 inch 25g needle in your delts, butt, outside thighs, is embarrassingly easy. I learned and mastered the technique instantly from learning online(www.spotinjection.com)you will too.

1cc of test e/c every 5 days for 10-14 shots total will be a great cycle for you. add in 1/8mg daily of liquid arimadex and you're perfect.

 

[daveyboy2345]

I'm sure you have had blood drawn from the inside of your elbow many times correct? Well that needle is always a 20-21g 1-1/2 inch needle, now that is big. Injecting yourself with a 1 inch 25g needle in your delts, butt, outside thighs, is embarrassingly easy. I learned and mastered the technique instantly from learning online(www.spotinjection.com)you will too.

1cc of test e/c every 5 days for 10-14 shots total will be a great cycle for you. add in 1/8mg daily of liquid arimadex and you're perfect.

 

[RADAR]

I must ask Oldtrainer what is wrong with giving yourself a shot? is it a phobia of needles? I had the same thing happen to me, but once you do that first one and see how easy it is a whole world opens up, BTW i'll be 60 in Dec.

 

[IronMagLabs]

If you are set on the Dbol at least run it with a Test base.