The Reaganomics Fraud:

[musclemom]

Absolutely not. No. Not now, not ever.

If the employee is doing relevant, competent work.

And the company the employee is working for is functioning at or beyond it's peers.

And the industry the company is operating in is viable.

Then the employee has a chance to make a good living from the company, which would presumably include wages that at least stay in line with the cost of living.

Not my experience, nor of my husband, sorry. Have we had bad luck in employers, maybe. I've only been employed by small companies and honestly I received, overall, better treatment than he has. The company that I subcontract now for still treats me like a dog. They raise the rates on the customers and have never, in nearly 15 years of being in business, once increased the pay of the transcriptionists. I've been threatened by the owner that if I don't turn my work around in the time limits then he'll assign my regulars to someone else, doesn't matter if I was ill or my computer went down.

Employers treat the people who work for them like pieces of shit. In a market when jobs are hard to come by, and particularly when you're 46 and 57 like my husband and I and you have a house you can't sell profitably because your neighborhood has totally devalued, you put your head down, STFU and do what you're told to do and go to bed praying you don't get laid off when some asshatted beancounter finds a way to cut expenses that destroy your life.

We have a mortgage, debt, and an adult child with Asperger's syndrome. We have no choice. We need money and cannot afford to live on reduced incomes. Moving to a location to find new jobs in a better market, as I've explained, isn't an option.

 

[calveless wonder]

Musclemom, you're clueless about corporate structure.

Instead of complaining about how corporations treat their employees, get
More marketable skills. There's a reason executives get paid what they do. Their skills are
inimitable and thus given a certain value

 

[calveless wonder]

I laugh at when people complain about being able to support their family in the long term (not talking about layoffs, disability, etc) but those who's current or optimal wage for their trade is insufficient or barely able to sustain them and their family.

Those people made a conscious decision to have children, or at least keep them.
Don't have fuckin children if you cant give them a proper life or if you'ee gonna be scraping by your entire life. There's a reason I don't plan on having kids for at least another 6-7 years.
Because I know I can't give them a proper upbringing in a stable environment

 

[musclemom]

Yes, well hindsight is 20/20 isn't it dear? *sarc* Must be nice to have a good foundation educationally and/or parents who guide your decisions and/or an intellect that allowed you to feel you had a wide range of options available to you. Unfortunately, I had none of those things. I did the best with what I had and I was severely damaged goods.

And honestly, stick the whole "who told you to be breeders" argument up your ass. That's something I've had homos say to me. I didn't expect to be supporting an adult four years after I finally got her off child support. And things would have been just fine if the economy didn't do what it has. Face it, you own a house in what was considered a pretty good neighborhood for 20 years (and when I bought this house, it wasn't a bad neighborhood, still isn't bad, just not what it was but actually it was on the edge of a GREAT neighborhood) the rules USED to be that property should fully be worth two or even three times what it was originally purchased for, not less than what it was originally purchased for.

I think I'd best leave this thread permanently. I'm obviously too ignorant and bitter to make any useful contributions and clearly my opinions, born out of extreme ignorance and bitterness, are only worthy of derision, certainly not any degree of consideration.

 

[bigpokey]

that's the corporate spirit c dub!

 

[calveless wonder]

personally, i rather work at a smaller to midsize company (as long as they have adequate resources to operate) than a big corporation. Too much politics for me.There's a lot less flexibility in a corporation in every aspect(product development, policy changes etc) and you ultimately have less control/say in the bottom line.

but they exist for a reason, and in order to operate on that type of scale they have to be constructed that way. There's nothing wrong with that. As far as "treating your employees like crap" or whatever, anyone who has half a brain when it comes to business knows how expensive turnover is. It's one of the most crippling costs for any company, both directly and ancillary. Not only that, but a happy employee is a productive employee. Firms spend billions on organizational behavior related studies or protocols to ensure their employees are happy. They're not stupid. Retention is a huge part of business. It's PROFITABLE to be good to your people. I guess all these big bad corporations go out of their way to be evil and lose money?

 

[calveless wonder]

southwest airlines was such a shitty company when they decided to not fire any of their employees or cut anybody's pay after 9/11 despite meaning major short term losses.

 

[Redrocker13]

I laugh at when people complain about being able to support their family in the long term (not talking about layoffs, disability, etc) but those who's current or optimal wage for their trade is insufficient or barely able to sustain them and their family.

Those people made a conscious decision to have children, or at least keep them.
Don't have fuckin children if you cant give them a proper life or if you'ee gonna be scraping by your entire life. There's a reason I don't plan on having kids for at least another 6-7 years.
Because I know I can't give them a proper upbringing in a stable environment

You're being a little harsh Wonder, don't ya think?! And this is coming from a died in the wool captialist/conservative. It certainly dosen't sound like MuscleMom isn't a pretty hard working lady. My other interactions with her give me the same impression. Not only that but you really didn't give any place for her point. She's right, there are many corporations, regardless of size, where cutting costs becomes a blood bath and truly isn't done with any real good sense and very little compassion. Someone in an office somewhere is making a numbers decision based upon a spreadsheet and not any actual boots on the ground experience. And when that hits the people on the front line, well it's just bad business.

It's good business to take great care of the people who take care of your customers.

I have lived long enough to find myself in tough spots. Some spots take longer than others to fight out of. MuscleMom strikes me as a fighter. She'll figure it out.

 

[calveless wonder]

You're being a little harsh Wonder, don't ya think?! And this is coming from a died in the wool captialist/conservative. It certainly dosen't sound like MuscleMom isn't a pretty hard working lady. My other interactions with her give me the same impression. Not only that but you really didn't give any place for her point. She's right, there are many corporations, regardless of size, where cutting costs becomes a blood bath and truly isn't done with any real good sense and very little compassion. Someone in an office somewhere is making a numbers decision based upon a spreadsheet and not any actual boots on the ground experience. And when that hits the people on the front line, well it's just bad business.

It's good business to take great care of the people who take care of your customers.

I have lived long enough to find myself in tough spots. Some spots take longer than others to fight out of. MuscleMom strikes me as a fighter. She'll figure it out.

probably a little harsh,but maybe you misunderstood my post.i wasn't speaking of short term things. shit happens....industries fall apart, you may get laid off, maybe your business goes under.

that's not what i'm speaking of. that happens to everyone at some point or another, but those people often rebound and are fine.

i'm talking about people who have families yet lack the sufficient skills or have dead end jobs/jobs where they're already reached their ceiling and can barely get by or support themselves...AND THEN COMPLAIN ABOUT IT.it's not about working hard as much as it is about working smart and having marketable skills. there are many things you can do to increase your marketability. those people really have no business having kids or more kids than they can support

people victimize themselves way too often. it's a huge problem in this country

so is lack of accountability. no one put a gun to your head and made you have whatever number of kids. unless you were raped and had a child as a result, then there's no excuse.

 

[bigpokey]

the only reason for a corporation is to protect business owner's personal assets and escape ramifications from externalities jmo