The Reaganomics Fraud:

[musclemom]

The duty of social responsibility of the "rich" (or anyone else) should knot be automatically (and disproportionately) deducted by teh govmint for poorly managed social programs.

Typically as people becum more financially stable it correlates to philanthropy.

It's been my observation that "philanthropy" in this country by the wealthy consists of doing something that's going to get their name read at the end of a PBS program or inscribed on something made of granite. You know, shit like art museums, concert halls, wings of hospitals and colleges, sponsoring shows on NPR.

Providing services for those in despair wood be best left to churches and community service organizations.

And where does the money come from for the churches? Because my wiccan tradition is a 501(c) and let me tell you, it's all we're doing to keep our head above water and provide for our own needs, never mind trying to take care of the indigent. But we're young, let's look at an old one. The Catholics are probably the richest organized religion, they reserve the right to dictate your care to your according to their beliefs. So that means a poor person who is comatose and brain dead gets every effort made to sustain life.

And what about community organizations, they're secular. Where does the money come from? Does my property taxes go up? Or are you more idealistic than me and see this all coming from private donations? Yeah, I'm sure Bill Gates would love to pony up $1 million so the poor seniors in my township could get meals on wheels for one more year. I can see the bumper stickers now "The soup and sandwiches being delivered today by Meals on Wheels were purchased in part by donations made by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation."

And exactly what's going to happen to social security? Plenty of us can't afford to put money away being taxed at nigh 30%. By all means, cut social programs, but you better cut taxes, reduce the cost of living and increase wages so people can take care of themselves.

 

[-SD-]

Lesson of this thread and of life in general:

Dont be a broke nickle. Period.

 

[musclemom]

Lesson of this thread and of life in general:

Dont be a broke nickle. Period.

True dat.

Plenty of life insurance policies pay off even in the case of suicide once the policy is more than three years old. I don't just think I know there are a lot of people in this country that have thought long and hard about how much they're worth versus how much they love their family versus how much their family will suffer for their loss because I realized a long time ago, if the idea has crossed my mind it's crossed the mind of not just 100s but 1,000s of other people.

 

[PICK3]

It's been my observation that "philanthropy" in this country by the wealthy consists of doing something that's going to get their name read at the end of a PBS program or inscribed on something made of granite. You know, shit like art museums, concert halls, wings of hospitals and colleges, sponsoring shows on NPR.

If you're hungry or sick I don't think you'll care about the proper noun assigned to the source funding your need.

And where does the money come from for the churches? Because my wiccan tradition is a 501(c) and let me tell you, it's all we're doing to keep our head above water and provide for our own needs, never mind trying to take care of the indigent. But we're young, let's look at an old one. The Catholics are probably the richest organized religion, they reserve the right to dictate your care to your according to their beliefs. So that means a poor person who is comatose and brain dead gets every effort made to sustain life.

And what about community organizations, they're secular. Where does the money come from? Does my property taxes go up? Or are you more idealistic than me and see this all coming from private donations? Yeah, I'm sure Bill Gates would love to pony up $1 million so the poor seniors in my township could get meals on wheels for one more year. I can see the bumper stickers now "The soup and sandwiches being delivered today by Meals on Wheels were purchased in part by donations made by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation."

And exactly what's going to happen to social security? Plenty of us can't afford to put money away being taxed at nigh 30%. By all means, cut social programs, but you better cut taxes, reduce the cost of living and increase wages so people can take care of themselves.

I'm not rich and I certainly couldn't indefinitely fund all the scenarios you listed, butt when our founding fathers immigrated here nobody promised them a "job for life" or "guaranteed health benefits". I don't understand why our generation has such an expectation. btw, SS didn't get in trouble yesterday.

I may easily end up broke, sick, or homeless ... or a combination thereof, butt if that happens, guess I should have set my priorities different in my productive years.

I don't "expect" the govmint to ever provide substantial care for me cuz it ain't gonna happen.

 

[PICK3]

If you're hungry or sick I don't think you'll care about the proper noun assigned to the source funding your need.




I'm not rich and I certainly couldn't indefinitely fund all the scenarios you listed, butt when our founding fathers immigrated here nobody promised them a "job for life" or "guaranteed health benefits". I don't understand why our generation has such an expectation. btw, SS didn't get in trouble yesterday.

I may easily end up broke, sick, or homeless ... or a combination thereof, butt if that happens, guess I should have set my priorities different in my productive years.

I don't "expect" the govmint to ever provide substantial care for me cuz it ain't gonna happen.

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no homo though

 

[musclemom]

I'm not rich and I certainly couldn't indefinitely fund all the scenarios you listed, butt when our founding fathers immigrated here nobody promised them a "job for life" or "guaranteed health benefits". I don't understand why our generation has such an expectation. btw, SS didn't get in trouble yesterday.

When the founding fathers emigrated here, you could stake out, FOR NO COST, a claim on a piece of land and live on that land and provide for your own needs, without the need for much cash (health issues aside, back then you lived or died, you had a lot of kids to take care of you when you got old).

I could easily and would gladly homestead a piece of property large enough to support myself and my husband. I cannot, however, afford a mortgage on that property. I'm not even sure I could pay the taxes on it. I'd have to have something to sell, either goods or services.

Face it, everything is tied up by the banks. And even if you could get land outright, you have to have money to pay property taxes. Ergo, you need SOME source of cash revenue. And if you make MORE than $500 (even if that money goes exclusively to property taxes) you need to pay taxes on that money. Everything in this country is designed to make it impossible to get out of the system.

Honestly, you can't blame people for taking advantage of a system that they can't escape from.

 

[PICK3]

When the founding fathers emigrated here, you could stake out, FOR NO COST, a claim on a piece of land and live on that land and provide for your own needs, without the need for much cash (health issues aside, back then you lived or died, you had a lot of kids to take care of you when you got old).

I could easily and would gladly homestead a piece of property large enough to support myself and my husband. I cannot, however, afford a mortgage on that property. I'm not even sure I could pay the taxes on it. I'd have to have something to sell, either goods or services.

Face it, everything is tied up by the banks. And even if you could get land outright, you have to have money to pay property taxes. Ergo, you need SOME source of cash revenue. And if you make MORE than $500 (even if that money goes exclusively to property taxes) you need to pay taxes on that money. Everything in this country is designed to make it impossible to get out of the system.

Honestly, you can't blame people for taking advantage of a system that they can't escape from.

Home ownership isn't an "inalienable right" either

 

[musclemom]

Home ownership isn't an "inalienable right" either

But life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are.

The system makes it impossible to do any of those things without a source of income

 

[-SD-]

But life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are.

The system makes it impossible to do any of those things without a source of income

In the past you had to barter or provide some sort of skill. Today you have to have a source of money, which usually requires work (skill) etc.
Unless you want to totally fall off the grid and live off the land but by the sound of your physical condition you wouldnt be able to do that.

Im sympathetic you werent born in sweden.

 

[PICK3]

But life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are.

The system makes it impossible to do any of those things without a source of income

When Thomas Jefferson spoke of pursuing happiness, he had nothing vague or private in mind. He meant a public happiness which is measurable; which is, indeed, the test and justification of any government. But to understand why he considered the pursuit of that happiness an unalienable right, we must look to another aspect of Enlightenment thought - to the science of morality.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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never suggested you didn't need a source of income