GHRP-2 for Anti-Aging Benefits in a Woman

[musclemom]

Has anyone tried this, particularly anyone over the age of 35?

I've been researching until my head hurts. I chose to go with GHRP-2 over GHRP-6 because everything I read (that isn't UTTERLY contradictory) seems to point to the two being similar with two major differences: GHRP-6 makes you HUNGRY as hell and GHRP-2 seems to spike cortisol less, which I probably already have a problem with. I don't need those side effects, since I gain virtually every extra ounce in the abdomen already.

What I plan on doing is 100 mcg nightly, nothing else. I'm EXTREMELY open to suggestions, comments, opinions. I dismissed including CJC-1295 after reading a post by a former mod in this forum, it spooks me.

I'm hoping to accomplish 3 primary things:
1. Joint improvement/injury healing.
2. Improved sleep quality.
3. Fat mobilization.

Two main questions I have, and I'm hoping someone can answer them (it seems virtually 90% of all information out there is written for guys who want to increase mass, not women who want to feel younger):
1. Should I run 5 days on/2 days off?
2. How long can I use it for (weeks/months/indefinitely?)

Wish me luck guys.

Don't expect a whole lot of posts, this is more a long term project.

 

[RottenWillow]

Has anyone tried this, particularly anyone over the age of 35?

I've been researching until my head hurts. I chose to go with GHRP-2 over GHRP-6 because everything I read (that isn't UTTERLY contradictory) seems to point to the two being similar with two major differences: GHRP-6 makes you HUNGRY as hell and GHRP-2 seems to spike cortisol less, which I probably already have a problem with. I don't need those side effects, since I gain virtually every extra ounce in the abdomen already.

What I plan on doing is 100 mcg nightly, nothing else. I'm EXTREMELY open to suggestions, comments, opinions. I dismissed including CJC-1295 after reading a post by a former mod in this forum, it spooks me.

I'm hoping to accomplish 3 primary things:
1. Joint improvement/injury healing.
2. Improved sleep quality.
3. Fat mobilization.

Two main questions I have, and I'm hoping someone can answer them (it seems virtually 90% of all information out there is written for guys who want to increase mass, not women who want to feel younger):
1. Should I run 5 days on/2 days off?
2. How long can I use it for (weeks/months/indefinitely?)

Wish me luck guys.

Don't expect a whole lot of posts, this is more a long term project.

I'd recommend Ipamorelin over GHRP-2. -2 does trigger more of a GH release, but also triggers cortisol and prolactin release, whereas Ipamorelin does not at all. -2 will release more GH than Ipamorelin, but it will release other stuff too you might not like.

No you definitely no do not need to take days off. That regime is strictly a response to the cost associated with synthetic GH supplementation. For anti-aging you would do fine with 100mcg of Ipamorelin at bedtime everyday. For tissue repair I'd suggest 100mcg of Modified GRF (1-29) and Ipamorelin immediately upon rising and again at bedtime. Absolutely no carbs or fat within 1/2 hour of your shots. Pure protein consumption like whey isolate or perhaps egg whites would be fine though.

Draw your Mod GRF into you needle first, then the Ipamorelin. That way when you inject the Ipamorelin goes in first.

For anti-aging you want to run it as long as you want to slow the aging process. Months, years....

For tissue repair, 6 months might be a good start.

 

[musclemom]

I'd recommend Ipamorelin over GHRP-2. -2 does trigger more of a GH release, but also triggers cortisol and prolactin release, whereas Ipamorelin does not at all. -2 will release more GH than Ipamorelin, but it will release other stuff too you might not like.

No you definitely no do not need to take days off. That regime is strictly a response to the cost associated with synthetic GH supplementation. For anti-aging you would do fine with 100mcg of Ipamorelin at bedtime everyday. For tissue repair I'd suggest 100mcg of Modified GRF (1-29) and Ipamorelin immediately upon rising and again at bedtime. Absolutely no carbs or fat within 1/2 hour of your shots. Pure protein consumption like whey isolate or perhaps egg whites would be fine though.

Draw your Mod GRF into you needle first, then the Ipamorelin. That way when you inject the Ipamorelin goes in first.

For anti-aging you want to run it as long as you want to slow the aging process. Months, years....

For tissue repair, 6 months might be a good start.

Well that sucks. GHRP-2 is scheduled for delivery tomorrow. Is it completely useless?

I'm not into this chemistry shit and I got freaked about GRF 1-29 because Tatayana had posted that was what caused facial deformation.

People who are into chemistry don't understand but this shit is hard to understand when can't "get" it

 

[RottenWillow]

Well that sucks. GHRP-2 is scheduled for delivery tomorrow. Is it completely useless?

I'm not into this chemistry shit and I got freaked about GRF 1-29 because Tatayana had posted that was what caused facial deformation.

People who are into chemistry don't understand but this shit is hard to understand when can't "get" it

oh no it's not useless. It's just going to trigger some cortisol and prolactin release along with the GH.

 

[musclemom]

oh no it's not useless. It's just going to trigger some cortisol and prolactin release along with the GH.

Is there anything that suppresses them? I've tried Rhodiola (sp?) that didn't seem to do shit.

Abdominal fat gain is a bugbear for me ...

 

[RottenWillow]

Is there anything that suppresses them? I've tried Rhodiola (sp?) that didn't seem to do shit.

Abdominal fat gain is a bugbear for me ...

DHEA suppresses cortisol, although I'm not real sure how effective it would be if you were constantly taking something else provoking cortisol production. Since you've already ordered it, just give it a shot and watch out for insomnia.

Also, you really need a GHRP to amplify the GH pulse or you aren't likely to see any tissue repair benefits. If you're planning to run just GHRP-2 you may be disappointed with your results. I've never any issues at all with Mod GRF (1-29).

 

[musclemom]

DHEA suppresses cortisol, although I'm not real sure how effective it would be if you were constantly taking something else provoking cortisol production. Since you've already ordered it, just give it a shot and watch out for insomnia.

Also, you really need a GHRP to amplify the GH pulse or you aren't likely to see any tissue repair benefits. If you're planning to run just GHRP-2 you may be disappointed with your results. I've never any issues at all with Mod GRF (1-29).

Well, I'm thinking about holding off on the GHRP now.

Okay, two more questions: When using the Ipamorelin (in for a penny, in for a pound, what the hell, I've got all the other stuff, whats another couple of bucks?) will I still need the GRF? And again, conflicting information on that, DAC or no DAC? And how much of everything and when. Shit, one of the things I want improved is sleep, I already have problems with that (one of the reasons I'm bagging the GHRP-2).

Jesus I wish I had posted this before I ordered it, but the site was having a 20% off everything sale.

I'm sorry RW, for being so dumb, and I really appreciate your help. I'm just not good with this stuff (the combinations of numbers/letters tags into my dyscalculia). It seems all the information is geared towards male bodybuilders and it just doesn't apply to a woman in my stage of life.

 

[RottenWillow]

Well, I'm thinking about holding off on the GHRP now.

Okay, two more questions: When using the Ipamorelin (in for a penny, in for a pound, what the hell, I've got all the other stuff, whats another couple of bucks?) will I still need the GRF? And again, conflicting information on that, DAC or no DAC? And how much of everything and when. Shit, one of the things I want improved is sleep, I already have problems with that (one of the reasons I'm bagging the GHRP-2).

Jesus I wish I had posted this before I ordered it, but the site was having a 20% off everything sale.

I'm sorry RW, for being so dumb, and I really appreciate your help. I'm just not good with this stuff (the combinations of numbers/letters tags into my dyscalculia). It seems all the information is geared towards male bodybuilders and it just doesn't apply to a woman in my stage of life.

no DAC. It has a much shorter half life that way, and that's actually what you want. It supports a much more naturalistic GH plus. If you see CJC 1295 w/o DAC, it's actually Mod GRF (1-29).

For injury repair or for muscle acquisition you want the twice daily regime I detailed in my first post, MM.

 

[musclemom]

no DAC. It has a much shorter half life that way, and that's actually what you want. It supports a much more naturalistic GH plus. If you see CJC 1295 w/o DAC, it's actually Mod GRF (1-29).

For injury repair or for muscle acquisition you want the twice daily regime I detailed in my first post, MM.

100 mcg of Ipamorelin + 100 mcg of Mod GRF (1-29) sub q., a.m. and p.m., empty stomach (and there's the instructions about what order to draw the syringe). No need to take breaks or cycle on and off for health purposes, can be run as long as I choose and budget permits.

Okay, time to spend more money, I'd rather do this properly from the get go. Hell, even with buying the wrong peptides I'll still have only spent about 1/10 of the final cost the PRP therapy.

Thank you so very, very much! I appreciate your patience.

 

[RottenWillow]

100 mcg of Ipamorelin + 100 mcg of Mod GRF (1-29) sub q., a.m. and p.m., empty stomach (and there's the instructions about what order to draw the syringe). No need to take breaks or cycle on and off for health purposes, can be run as long as I choose and budget permits.

Okay, time to spend more money, I'd rather do this properly from the get go. Hell, even with buying the wrong peptides I'll still have only spent about 1/10 of the final cost the PRP therapy.

Thank you so very, very much! I appreciate your patience.

sounds good. Just be very careful reconstituting your Ipamorelin. You want the strength to be 100mcg per CC. Into each vial containing a 2mg wafer, you inject 20 CC's of bac water

Making it stronger than that, say 150 or even 200mcg per CC, I think makes it too hard to get your dose precise. Too much Ipa can very rapidly knock your blood glucose down too low and pardon my language fuck you up very quickly. First dose you might want to shoot only 50mcg just to gauge your sensitivity to the possible hypoglycemic effect of Ipa. IME though 100mcg is fine. I shot 400mcg one time and that was bad trouble. If I'd not had some honey within about 30 seconds of my reach I probably would've passed out.

 

[musclemom]

sounds good. Just be very careful reconstituting your Ipamorelin. You want the strength to be 100mcg per CC. Into each vial containing a 2mg wafer, you inject 20 CC's of bac water

Making it stronger than that, say 150 or even 200mcg per CC, I think makes it too hard to get your dose precise. Too much Ipa can very rapidly knock your blood glucose down too low and pardon my language fuck you up very quickly. First dose you might want to shoot only 50mcg just to gauge your sensitivity to the possible hypoglycemic effect of Ipa. IME though 100mcg is fine. I shot 400mcg one time and that was bad trouble. If I'd not had some honey within about 30 seconds of my reach I probably would've passed out.

Shit, thanks for telling me! I'll have my husband with me, he'll probably stick me the first few times until I get used to it, and I'll let him know.

I found a peptide calculator, I was going to rely on that. I won't shit you, the reconstitution factor was worrying me.

 

[RottenWillow]

Shit, thanks for telling me! I'll have my husband with me, he'll probably stick me the first few times until I get used to it, and I'll let him know.

I found a peptide calculator, I was going to rely on that. I won't shit you, the reconstitution factor was worrying me.

Recon is actually very straight forward. Don't sweat it.

Assuming your GHRP wafer is 2mg (it might be 5mg though, read your label), and you are using a 10cc 29 or 30 gauge needle, you would draw a full syringe of BW, inject it into your wafer vile, then repeat once. You would then have a concentration of 100mcg of peptide per CC.

I've never used GHRP-2 or -6, so I cannot speak to side effects you might experience with those, but with Ipamorelin you probably will get an immediate sensation of facial flushing. That is totally normal and very transient.

If you plan to do shots first thing upon rising in the morning you might also experience some brief, but modest, elevation of heart rate and some slight perspiration for 30 seconds to 2 minutes immediately after the shot. That's also not anything to wig out about. That's related to your blood glucose being at the baseline fasting level when you do the shot. At 100mcg I only ever experienced a little tachycardia once after an A.M. shot (we're talking maybe 120bpm), and it was maybe a minute's worth. In that instance it was a Saturday morning and I think I'd slept like 10 hours, so it'd been a good 12 hours since I'd eaten. Never happened before or since.

Like I mentioned before, run your first doses at 50mcg to test out your sensitivity to those acute sides, then titrate up to 100mcg in 25mcg increments.

 

[musclemom]

Recon is actually very straight forward. Don't sweat it.

Assuming your GHRP wafer is 2mg (it might be 5mg though, read your label), and you are using a 10cc 29 or 30 gauge needle, you would draw a full syringe of BW, inject it into your wafer vile, then repeat once. You would then have a concentration of 100mcg of peptide per CC.

I've never used GHRP-2 or -6, so I cannot speak to side effects you might experience with those, but with Ipamorelin you probably will get an immediate sensation of facial flushing. That is totally normal and very transient.

If you plan to do shots first thing upon rising in the morning you might also experience some brief, but modest, elevation of heart rate and some slight perspiration for 30 seconds to 2 minutes immediately after the shot. That's also not anything to wig out about. That's related to your blood glucose being at the baseline fasting level when you do the shot. At 100mcg I only ever experienced a little tachycardia once after an A.M. shot (we're talking maybe 120bpm), and it was maybe a minute's worth. In that instance it was a Saturday morning and I think I'd slept like 10 hours, so it'd been a good 12 hours since I'd eaten. Never happened before or since.

Like I mentioned before, run your first doses at 50mcg to test out your sensitivity to those acute sides, then titrate up to 100mcg in 25mcg increments.

Thanks girl!

I got the 2000/2mg vials, so the numbers will work. I currently have 100 1 ml insulin needles but when I use them up I'll go to 0.05 I think, just for the sake of being able to see the gradients (yeah, the whole holding shit at arms length IS a midlife reality). I have larger syringes all over the place because my husband is on HRT ... oh, man, I just had an epiphany!!!! 2 ML = 2 cc!!!! Will someone explain to me why America passed on the metric system!?!

Of course, I've now got 8 vials of 2000 mcg of GHRP-2 that I'm not sure what I want to do with. I may stick it in my husband

 

[musclemom]

If you plan to do shots first thing upon rising in the morning you might also experience some brief, but modest, elevation of heart rate and some slight perspiration for 30 seconds to 2 minutes immediately after the shot. That's also not anything to wig out about. That's related to your blood glucose being at the baseline fasting level when you do the shot. At 100mcg I only ever experienced a little tachycardia once after an A.M. shot (we're talking maybe 120bpm), and it was maybe a minute's worth. In that instance it was a Saturday morning and I think I'd slept like 10 hours, so it'd been a good 12 hours since I'd eaten. Never happened before or since.

Like I mentioned before, run your first doses at 50mcg to test out your sensitivity to those acute sides, then titrate up to 100mcg in 25mcg increments.

Got the shipment yesterday, so took my first shot last night, about three hours before bedtime, well after dinner, 50 mcg of both as suggested.

OH BOY was that 1/2 dose suggestion a good idea!

I felt like like I'd had a double espresso and the feeling lasted for HOURS. I didn't fall asleep until well after 1:30. I don't know how much was the shot, how much was nerves. But I need to find a better time than 8:00 p.m. for dose two, everything felt off. Oh, and I get the damndest dry throat, NOT dry mouth. Weird, huh (BTW, my husband calls me the canary in the coal mine, I'm extremely sensitive to tons of shit, and have paradoxical reactions to quite a few meds so anything's possible).

Took another 1/2 dose this morning (stings like a bugger for about 2 min., must be the bac. water) no elevated heart rate, but definitely felt warmer and lightly flushed. This dose felt more natural. I just need to figure out when to do the 2nd dose, or even if I need/can do it, I'm positive it has to be well before 6:00 p.m.

 

[hurricane]

Has anyone tried this, particularly anyone over the age of 35?

I've been researching until my head hurts. I chose to go with GHRP-2 over GHRP-6 because everything I read (that isn't UTTERLY contradictory) seems to point to the two being similar with two major differences: GHRP-6 makes you HUNGRY as hell and GHRP-2 seems to spike cortisol less, which I probably already have a problem with. I don't need those side effects, since I gain virtually every extra ounce in the abdomen already.

What I plan on doing is 100 mcg nightly, nothing else. I'm EXTREMELY open to suggestions, comments, opinions. I dismissed including CJC-1295 after reading a post by a former mod in this forum, it spooks me.

I'm hoping to accomplish 3 primary things:
1. Joint improvement/injury healing.
2. Improved sleep quality.
3. Fat mobilization.

Two main questions I have, and I'm hoping someone can answer them (it seems virtually 90% of all information out there is written for guys who want to increase mass, not women who want to feel younger):
1. Should I run 5 days on/2 days off?
2. How long can I use it for (weeks/months/indefinitely?)

Wish me luck guys.

Don't expect a whole lot of posts, this is more a long term project.

u can run it 5 on/2 off if u want or 7 days straight..same as hgh some people choose to and some dont...alot of people get tired of pinning every day and look to same money .. totally up to u but running 7 straight wont hurt u

u can use it as long as u want ..peptides arent like steriods

 

[RottenWillow]

Got the shipment yesterday, so took my first shot last night, about three hours before bedtime, well after dinner, 50 mcg of both as suggested.

OH BOY was that 1/2 dose suggestion a good idea!

I felt like like I'd had a double espresso and the feeling lasted for HOURS. I didn't fall asleep until well after 1:30. I don't know how much was the shot, how much was nerves. But I need to find a better time than 8:00 p.m. for dose two, everything felt off. Oh, and I get the damndest dry throat, NOT dry mouth. Weird, huh (BTW, my husband calls me the canary in the coal mine, I'm extremely sensitive to tons of shit, and have paradoxical reactions to quite a few meds so anything's possible).

Took another 1/2 dose this morning (stings like a bugger for about 2 min., must be the bac. water) no elevated heart rate, but definitely felt warmer and lightly flushed. This dose felt more natural. I just need to figure out when to do the 2nd dose, or even if I need/can do it, I'm positive it has to be well before 6:00 p.m.

Your injection times must occur at times of natural GH pulsation, MM. You should not arbitrarily pick times of the day. Injection times in order of greatest to least therapeutic effect are: bedtime, immediately PWO, immediately upon rising. Any other time of the day the effect of the shot might be negligible.

GH spikes encourage restful sleep, so you should actually sleep better. However, some people are definitely prone to insomnia on Ipamorelin. I've read it speculated that this only happens when there are some preexisting hormonal and/or brain chemistry issues. It's not the pep that's doing it but, but rather the pep is highlighting a problem already present. (your cortisol levels might be jacked up)

I don't know that even 100mcg would've made the insomnia any worse, MM. People that get the insomnia get it on even very modest bedtime dosages. I might suggest just trying it every night for a week and see if you acclimate. Also, the shots really need to be at bedtime. If you retire a 11p, then inject at 10:55p.

The injection shouldn't really sting, and definitely not "sting like a bugger". It's less than 1% alcohol. Are you taking your pep straight out of the fridge?

 

[musclemom]

Your injection times must occur at times of natural GH pulsation, MM. You should not arbitrarily pick times of the day. Injection times in order of greatest to least therapeutic effect are: bedtime, immediately PWO, immediately upon rising. Any other time of the day the effect of the shot might be negligible.

GH spikes encourage restful sleep, so you should actually sleep better. However, some people are definitely prone to insomnia on Ipamorelin. I've read it speculated that this only happens when there are some preexisting hormonal and/or brain chemistry issues. It's not the pep that's doing it but, but rather the pep is highlighting a problem already present. (your cortisol levels might be jacked up)

I don't know that even 100mcg would've made the insomnia any worse, MM. People that get the insomnia get it on even very modest bedtime dosages. I might suggest just trying it every night for a week and see if you acclimate. Also, the shots really need to be at bedtime. If you retire a 11p, then inject at 10:55p.

The injection shouldn't really sting, and definitely not "sting like a bugger". It's less than 1% alcohol. Are you taking your pep straight out of the fridge?

I'm not blaming the Ipa, I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't something wrong with the product I acquired. Exacerbating existing problems makes sense. I don't know if I've told you or not but I've thought there's something wrong with my hormones for years, never have been able to figure out exactly WHAT is wrong, though. When the gluten intolerance came on I had a whole bunch of things go wrong simultaneously, including insomnia, most of which I've never been able to get completely right. Better, but not completely. Having a full workup by a good doctor would be great. Unfortunately, they won't DO that, I talk, they nod then want to prescribe anti-depressants. One of these days I'm going to just go to Any Lab Test Now and get a Chinese menu but it's not in the budget.

I realized that I cannot arbitrarily spike the GH levels, I hadn't been able to find anything on when they naturally peak. Bedtime, wake up time, post workout only. Bedtime is right out, there were other things than insomnia going on, shooting pains and my mind was all over the place. It was a horrible night physically and mentally. I can't go through that again, not to mention that less than 5 hours of sleep even ONE night completely trashes me physically and mentally. As long as a.m. is okay I'm going to adhere to a morning only shot for a little while, work into it slowly.

Yep, straight out of the fridge. Feels like a mild bee sting, takes about 2 or 3 minutes to stop burning. It also leaves a small, sore lump that takes more than 24 hours to dissipate. My husband is giving me the shot subq in the upper arms currently and he DOES know how to shoot correctly. Wonder if I'm having an allergic reaction to something, the alcohol in the water maybe?

I'm a mess ...

 

[musclemom]

Well, turns out I WAS having an allergic reaction to the bacteriostatic water (sore hives that lasted 48 hours were the clue). I suspended everything until I got in sterile water.

I also started an herbal supplement last week that is supposed to reduce stress and cortisol levels. I didn't have luck with it before but I'm hoping there will be a synergistic effect with the boost in GH.

I'm up to taking one 100 mcg of Ipa and 100 mcg of CJC first thing in the morning. I'll do that for another day or so and then try the bedtime shot again (probably Friday night) so I can get myself on a twice a day schedule.

 

[trex74]

I used to have terrible insomnia, and now I take a herbal tea in bed every night that knocks me out pretty fast.
Organic Nighty Night® :: Traditional Medicinals :: Calming Teas

I literally fall asleep holding the mug of tea.

 

[musclemom]

I used to have terrible insomnia, and now I take a herbal tea in bed every night that knocks me out pretty fast.
Organic Nighty Night® :: Traditional Medicinals :: Calming Teas

I literally fall asleep holding the mug of tea.

Unfortunately, it's got two things in it I'm intolerant of, chamomile and hops

I told you I'm weird. I'm intolerant of gluten, chamomile, valerian (not intolerant but I have what is considered a paradoxical reaction with it, the stuff makes me jittery), hops, shellfish and propylene glycol (off the top of my head), oh, and the alcohol in the bacteriostatic water, that's the newest one.

I have paradoxical reactions to a LOT of OTC medications (Benadryl and any decongestant I've ever taken come to mind). Benadryl makes me jittery, and decongestants do really weird things to my blood pressure.

 

[trex74]

Unfortunately, it's got two things in it I'm intolerant of, chamomile and hops

I told you I'm weird. I'm intolerant of gluten, chamomile, valerian (not intolerant but I have what is considered a paradoxical reaction with it, the stuff makes me jittery), hops, shellfish and propylene glycol (off the top of my head), oh, and the alcohol in the bacteriostatic water, that's the newest one.

I have paradoxical reactions to a LOT of OTC medications (Benadryl and any decongestant I've ever taken come to mind). Benadryl makes me jittery, and decongestants do really weird things to my blood pressure.

Contact C makes me go craaaaaaaaazy- like on another planet crazy

Have you tried single ingredient teas?
There is a supplement store that is owned by a herbalist here, and there are teas that are single ingredient by Celebration Herbals:
Welcome to Celebration Herbals

I know they have skullcap
Organic Skullcap Root Tea by Celebration Herbals Teas
and passionflower
Passion Flower Tea by Celebration Herbals Teas, Certified Organic

 

[RottenWillow]

Well, turns out I WAS having an allergic reaction to the bacteriostatic water (sore hives that lasted 48 hours were the clue). I suspended everything until I got in sterile water.

I also started an herbal supplement last week that is supposed to reduce stress and cortisol levels. I didn't have luck with it before but I'm hoping there will be a synergistic effect with the boost in GH.

I'm up to taking one 100 mcg of Ipa and 100 mcg of CJC first thing in the morning. I'll do that for another day or so and then try the bedtime shot again (probably Friday night) so I can get myself on a twice a day schedule.

Sterile water usually contains aluminum, MM, so you really don't want to keep injecting it daily over the long term. If your product came with an insert check it for warnings and contraindications.

For cortisol suppression, transdermal DHEA is the big daddy. You shouldn't need much daily to get the cort suppression benefit.

 

[musclemom]

Sterile water usually contains aluminum, MM, so you really don't want to keep injecting it daily over the long term. If your product came with an insert check it for warnings and contraindications.

For cortisol suppression, transdermal DHEA is the big daddy. You shouldn't need much daily to get the cort suppression benefit.

I think it's alright, it's from Abbots Labs, the insert reads:

This preparation is designated solely for parenteral use only after addition of drugs that require dilution or must be dissolved in an aqueous vehicle prior to injection.

Sterile Water for Injection, USP is a sterile, nonpyrogenic preparation of water for injection which contains no bacteriostat, antimicrobial agent or added buffer and is supplied only in single-dose containers to dilute or dissolve drugs for injection.

I tried taking DHEA once upon a time (+/- 10 years ago) taking the absolute smallest dose I could find only once a day. After about two weeks I started getting palpitations which stopped when I discontinued it. Considering many people on my father's side of the family (although usually the males) has had heart issues you can see why I'm leery of messing with it. I can't take coenzyme Q10 either because it makes my heart beat weird, harder. I become constantly aware of the heartbeat in my chest, it's unpleasant and scary.

 

[musclemom]

Wanted to give a brief update.

I've been able to take the Ipa/CJC-1295 (No DAC) twice a day, no problem for going on a couple weeks now. The shot still stings a bit, what ya gonna do And I've finally learned how to do the injections properly (I was placing them in the wrong spots and my husband was doing them too shallow).

Things I've noticed: My mood is 1000% improved, in particular, my outlook and attitude have changed for the positive and my energy levels are better. My skin definitely has cleared up and my husband thinks I'm looking slimmer even though there really hasn't been much exercise. Oddly enough, my appetite is down. My joints generally feel a bit better (I'm currently in recovery from a procedure on my shoulder last week). I'm able to tell the difference between the way my knees feel, and I realize I really need to bring the right one to the doctor's attention after I get my shoulder finished. I get tired at night and usually sleep quite well (with the exception of last night, but that was work/pain related).

Oh, libido seems to have improved a bit, too, bit early too tell for sure though

Currently, at close to a month out (with a couple of false starts) total thumbs up. Enough that I absolutely intend to keep going with the therapy. Like anything else, there's a bit of a learning curve when you first start out. And I do think you notice some "odd" reactions if you're starting out with lower natural levels (as mine must be at age 46) than someone else who is younger/has naturally higher levels. I think of it like a furnace that was banked very low for a very long time. Throw some newspaper and kindling on it and there's a big flare suddenly whereas if there's already an actual fire burning and you add more wood, the fire goes up a bit but it's not as dramatic a change.

 

[musclemom]

Thought I'd drop in to give a one week update.

I've basically been taking the peptides twice a day, occasionally I'll skip an evening dose or two, particularly around the weekend. Really there's no dramatic change from the previous post other than the fact that my husband has jumped on the bandwagon. He's 57 and I'm starting him out carefully, he's currently only taking one 100 mcg dose just before bed. I'll move him to 2x daily dosing this weekend. I tried giving him a half dose in the morning this past weekend and he ended up sleeping the day away.

Interestingly, I've started noticing my own natural "pulses" of GH are becoming more pronounced (taking the shot, I know what they feel like now). I get one virtually the same time every day, right around 3:00 p.m. (so I'm reasonably confident it's not a hot flash LOL). I clearly remember the same thing happening when I was in my late 20s or early 30s, so I think this is part of my body's normal rhythms.

I sleep well at night, very deeply as long as the shoulder doesn't bother me.

This month I'm going to try adding a small dose (about 1/2 recommended daily dose every other day) of natural progesterone cream during the second half of my cycle. I'll be alternating it with the physiologic dose of topical testosterone I've taken for a while now (approx. 1.25 to 2.5 mg every other day for the second half of my cycle only). Everything I've been reading links sex hormones and GH. At least some doctors believe lack of sex hormones is what causes the decreased GH levels. Increased GH does improve libido so the two are absolutely linked (interestingly, I notice I crave cholesterol heavier -- i.e., hormone building -- foods like butter, eggs and red meat lately).

As a long term plan, I've actually got sort of a screwy hope of staving off menopause. Decreased levels of sex hormones is what causes eggs to stop maturing and that begins the end of the cycle, so to speak (because when eggs don't mature they don't get released, and our progesterone levels start plummeting, and progesterone is what a lot of female testosterone is made from) so maybe naturally supplementing hormones before my own levels start dropping off might extend my own natural cycle? I know it can't hurt and the one thing I did notice last cycle, the first cycle that I feel was honestly influenced by the GH, I had much worse PMS than I have had in a very long time, more like it was when I was in my 20s. Hopefully the progesterone will level that out.

 

[RottenWillow]

hey good news! Glad to hear it.

If you're feeling a bit of heat in the upper torso and face within a few minutes of your Ipamorelin shot, that's the peptide working.

People do vary in their sensitivity to Ghrelin. The Ipamorelin is gonna trigger some of that, but the degree of desire for food is individual. I found I only had the urge to eat more than normal when I'd first bump up my dose, then it'd settle down again within 5-7 days.

 

[musclemom]

People do vary in their sensitivity to Ghrelin. The Ipamorelin is gonna trigger some of that, but the degree of desire for food is individual. I found I only had the urge to eat more than normal when I'd first bump up my dose, then it'd settle down again within 5-7 days.

Oh, I didn't mean to imply my appetite was increased. Actually, if anything I have days where I just have NO appetite, which is weird for me (used to be the norm when I was younger). Trust me, no complaints!

I'm not eating MORE food, just have a taste for things outside of my normal realm, fantasizing about a rare steak with poached eggs, odd shit like that. And caffeine ... I actually get a taste for coffee more often. Funny stuff.

I'm really happy so far, and I'm still not a full month in. Even if it was doing nothing physically I'd take it for the improved mental outlook alone.

I'm beginning to think that what most of America needs isn't Prozac but improved GH levels!

 

[rollergirl2]

I am starting this next week similar.. GHRP-2 plus Somerelin . I get it prescribed from a rx. so it is pure. Cannot wait to see results.

 

[caligirl85]

MM...I know this thread is about a year old but I'd love to hear an update from you. I've been thinking about this, as well.

 

[rollergirl2]

It's is hard to find info on women that have tried this. But I will definitely keep you updated.
My pharmacy sales rep assures me i will love it and no side effects

 

[musclemom]

Hi guys.

Okay, I've used both GHRP-2 and Ipamorelin, in combination with CJC-no DAC, Ipa primarily . I used them almost continually for 11 months, occasionally using the GHRP-2 for 2 weeks to a month (which is more powerful, however, I've noticed some bloating with GHRP-2 which I'm assuming was from increased cortisol) and I understand the receptors can become less responsive.

I stopped taking them in March due to increasing, near constant joint pain and suggestions that increased GH can "dry out" the joints. Back to the sports med. doctor for me. Turns out, in addition to multiple tendon tears in both elbows and multiple RC tears in both shoulders I have osteoarthritis in my knees (which was primarily why I dropped the peptides). I got both knees Synvisc'd and have had excellent results. I also had (ongoing) major work done on both shoulders and elbows (more PRP) on Tuesday so I'm currently back on the peptides.

Short answer, they DO work and you get what you pay for, remember that. I'm way older than most people on this site and am, I'm discovering, basically destroyed physically. I would have loved to had access to this stuff about 20 years ago.

Some technical notes: From my personal observation (in terms of the way the shot itself feels and the way I feel after a shot) as soon as they're hydrated they start losing potency. I think they're pretty much "flat" after 14 days. To offset that I bump the (twice daily) dose every two to three days, going from 10 (on the insulin needle) to 11, then 12, etc. Stick with 2000 ml bottles. Oh, and you only need small insulin needles, 50 units. The difference in cost over 100 unit syringes is dramatic. I use a 28 g. needle, I think if you get anything smaller going through two rubber tops dulls them way too much. Oh, finally, you might have to play around with shot locations. I've learned that if I shoot anywhere above my waist I get a bitch of a bruise, and that includes the back of my arm (I actually get bruised knots there).

If you have any specific questions I'll be happy to try to answer them but bear in mind, I'm NOT training, have been barely able to exercise in any meaningful way since early 2011, in fact, and am 47. Your results, if you are younger and actively training, will definitely be different.

Before anyone asks, my tendons and ligaments are all fucked up from, as best I can tell, basically age. Could be youthful injuries catching up with me, could just be bad genes. I never did any kind of sports that should have caused this, was never in any severe wrecks. I do seem to have an unusually high pain threshold so things have probably been messed up a long time and just life and exercising with low grade tears certainly doesn't help anything *shrug*

 

[shirlene29]

Im tossing this around as an alternative to GH
because I dont think I can afford scripted GH...

you think they compare MM for anti aging benefits?

 

[musclemom]

Im tossing this around as an alternative to GH
because I dont think I can afford scripted GH...

you think they compare MM for anti aging benefits?

I've never taken GH, I'm 47 so I'm stilling making my own and don't want to cause any damage in that department.

I definitely can tell something's happening when I take them, I see a difference in my skin, my sleep is better. Unfortunately, exercise is pretty my totally off my radar now, they definitely work better when combined with exercise. I stick to CJC/no-DAC and Ipa. GHRP-2 can give you a bigger bump but you're going to get cortisol bump, too.

I'm not quite sure about cycling them, though. The talk I've heard is that taking them for more than three months consecutively can cause some sugar issues but I'm not 100% sure how long of a break to take, either. You really need to take them for at least two months to start to notice any real difference.

 

[shirlene29]

yeah I'm looking for improved skin I think more than anything (tone texture)

if it helps me with leanness...awesome
gym recovery-even better
my cortisol seems to be more or less under control at the moment..but I havent had any testing done for it in a while either


still no go for you for working out huh?

 

[musclemom]

yeah I'm looking for improved skin I think more than anything (tone texture)

if it helps me with leanness...awesome
gym recovery-even better
my cortisol seems to be more or less under control at the moment..but I havent had any testing done for it in a while either


still no go for you for working out huh?

I'm in some type of fucking pain 24/7. I don't know when or if I'll ever lift weights again. My arms are better but they'll never be perfect, I just left everything for too long, it would have been great if I'd just seen this guy about ten years ago when things started bothering me occasionally. No, I learned to live with discomfort. Fucking brilliant.

Knees were great for two months, then two months and one day after the Synvisc they were right back to where they were in May. I'm scheduled for my next shots in September and I hope I can convince the doctor that I really do have unlimited injections on my insurance.

Swear to gods, shirl, my husband is just about the only reason I don't off myself. There's just no point. No matter what I know there's going to come a point where what are my bad days now are eventually going to be my GOOD days.

I'm fucking tired of being in pain ... oh yea, and fat. Life's fucking pointless when picking up a cup of coffee, putting on a t-shirt or climbing stairs hurts and you're only 47.

 

[shirlene29]

awwwww.. *hugs* makes me so sad to read this MM ...You're such a great person that doesn't deserve this

I know you've tried every trick I know too...I just don't know what to say

 

[musclemom]

awwwww.. *hugs* makes me so sad to read this MM ...You're such a great person that doesn't deserve this

I know you've tried every trick I know too...I just don't know what to say

Thanks hun, I appreciate your compassion.
That's what kills me, I've taken vitamins all my life, always been active, ate a good diet, did cleanses and detoxes ... no good deed goes unpunished they say

I just really fucked up when I chose my parents, that's all there is to it *shrug*

 

[otter541]

Im so sad to read this. My mom is in your same boat, she has tried every injection,pill, supplement,home remedy out there. Hers is partially fibromyalsia, the only thing that has ever helped her pain and also sanity is swimming and light yoga. I truly wish the best for you and hope you can get all of the injections you need. Pain ruins a persons life and no matter how hard you try its never something that can be ignored.

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[KneesOfSteel]

Hi musclemum,
I found your thread via google, cause I was also thinking about ghrp because of joint issues mainy. To become leaner and stronger, but my main reason would be to improve joints. I'm only 32, but have osteoarthritis in the knees due to dysplasia of the femur bone and kneecap and also elbows and wrist hurt sometimes and make popping feeling, also shoulders sometimes. Doc ow thinks it is inflammatory arthritis, but anyway the situation with bad joints is there for me.

I have not fully understoof what the peptieds did for you, especially jointwise. I also read they dry out the joints. On the other side, GH is said to have a positive effect on cartilage growth and tendon repair. maybe only when injected into he joint directly?

I'm sorry to read about your joint problems. Although I have to say having osteo arthritis and to some degree degenerated tendons at your age is not unusual, to the contrary. At age 50, 50 % of all people have arthritis in their knees and degeneration in their rotator cuffs. Actually especially the rotator cuff beginns to degenerate at age 30 already. So I say this to tell you, the physical situation you have is not unusual. What is unusual is the constant pein. Most people, have no or few pein in their degenerated joints, until they're really fucked up like bone on bone (and even this seems to be tolerable for some). We would wonder how bad some joints look from the inside and in the medical history of that person was no reference to orthopaedic treatment. Well, I do not wonder, I have seen those joints.

So for your problem, it really sounds a little bit like there is something else going on, despite the degeneration. Has your doc thought about those thing? Developing rheumatic desease, fibromyalgia? Nit every rheumatic desease looks fully blown with over night swollen and red joints. In some, in fact in many people, it is a process over month and years.

What helped me with the pain so far was patients, rehab/prehab, streching every day, swimming. I had acute knee pain, swelling one year ago and it took me month to get rid of the worst pain and still the pain would come back easily. No I even did walking lunges with dumbbells and farmers walk and was finde. I know my joints will never be really healthy, but I gained back something, due to specific exercises and really just patients. One year ago I couldn't walk stairs without pain, although I'm fairly lightweight. Half a years ago my shoulder hurt to badyl I was not able to do work on my computer or write on the blackboard (I'm teacher). Today I did some dips with my bodyweight, which most women are never able to do, no matter how good their joints are. So not so bad I think.

I nevertheless worry about the future and want to do something to improve my situation. Also I have probably a knee scope ahead. I had one already, when I was 18 and even then I lost so much muscle and it took long to get it back. So I need to strength my muscles and preserve them without stressing the joints too much. Also positive effects on the ligaments and tendons and cartilage is desireable.

What is your final conclusion? has the ghrp helped you with the joints or worsened them or no effect?