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Deca and Var at HRT Clinics

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Power36

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Hi,
Ive used a clinic in past that handed out Deca, Var, and Winny along with Test, GH, HCG, and an AI. Out of curiousity I asked my HRT doc about it, and he was not up on it, but wondered how those clinics justified it, and for what diagnosis etc. I know the claims of Deca on joints and helping connective tissue heal, general well being feeling when added to test....is there anything concrete or articles, papers, research done on it, or an HRT clinic with a reasoning why they prescribe it? As well, how about Var and Winny?

I admitted to my doc I had some Deca and Var from another clinic that I didnt use...and he was just curious....so if there was a way I could show him some research or even other doctors explaining why, how, etc they add it to HRT programs, maybe I can do a blast with him knowing it and not have to worry about raising his eyebrows from shredding up really fast...

Im almost thinking the places giving out Winny and Var are just adding it in for stacks essentially? And with the mark up Im sure they are making lots of cash. I dont care, just curious what their reasoning is.

Thanks
 
Im all ears! I know clinics do it! I got it from them....but now using my regular doc, and want to justify to him why I should use it up since I got it haha...
 
Look at all of the symptoms of low T, its a pretty big laundry list and many of them are mental like depressions etc. Your being treated for the symptoms of low testosterone.
 
Thats the same justification for VAR and Deca though too? On top of the T? Clinics in my experience give you T, HCG, AI, and will give you Deca for 3 month runs, then cycle in Var for 2 months, back and forth.......Id have a hard time convincing any of my doctors that is needed, as I respond amazing to just T, HCG, AI, and GH........but since I have Deca and Var from a past clinic, just curious if there is any literature I could show my current docs, to get them on board me using up the Deca and Var and doing bloodwork before and after, just kinda as experiment...that way not blasting without their knowledge.....
 
Without hijacking power36's thread, may I ask the responder to his post to explain why the TRT clinics would cycle the deca and var??

Thanks,

H
 
i know that winny is prescribed for anemia , deca for connective tissue or osteoporosis (for women usually) , var for burned patients as it's too have go good impact on collagen but with less sides than deca, but prescribing them on top of ur test for hrt to relieve low test symptoms i see no point except low dose deca of course for joint support and bone density.
 
Cool....I just wondered if there was any big name docs who wrote anywhere about why they use Deca with HRT....I understand why my old clinic gave it to me, as well Var, and I know they give others winny.....but to talk to my "regular" docs who are never going to prescribe it, just wanted to see if there was data or a solidified trend of HRT docs, or any research using Deca or Var in HRT, to show them, so I could justify a blast with them...hence being able to do labs, and not worrying about "hiding" it....
 
XMAN. said:
i know that winny is prescribed for anemia , deca for connective tissue or osteoporosis (for women usually) , var for burned patients as it's too have go good impact on collagen but with less sides than deca, but prescribing them on top of ur test for hrt to relieve low test symptoms i see no point except low dose deca of course for joint support and bone density.
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You have to remember are not just treating low test based on numbers, they are treating the sides of aging and low natural test, these sides are many and involve things like libido, abdominal fat gain, depression just to name a few. A couple runs of var a year can help people drop some fat and get to a bodyweight that is more healthy and manageable and all of this can lead to a better self esteem, reduced risk of suicide, healthier body composition etc etc.

There are obviously upper limits to what they can prescribe and labs have to show no harm being done but at the end of the day they are not treating just low lab numbers of serum test. Thats one of the main reasons they can prescribe doses that actually put you over normal lab range.
 
So generallly you think I could tell my doc the Deca is for joint pain, connective tissue repair, immune boost, etc when added to T? And Var added for fat loss goals in ab region (there has been some study on that I think?), immune boost and connective tissue repair?
 
in my opinion for a middle aged man or older the best thing to add above test is a little GH or some GH releasing peps, in low doses which becomes cheap and covers all the issues from aging and a lot better than other steroids alternatives.

egg. 2iu gh/ed or 4iu eod (sub-q) or even 6iu/e3d shot IM
in case of other peps , Ipamorelin (or ghrp-2 or 6) 100mcg + mod. Grf 1-29 (cjc-1295 w/o dac) for 100mcg too shot once everyday pre bed sub-q.
 
Im already on GH....doubt any of my docs are gonna play with peptides....only things with established protocols....
 
What are the dosages for Deca and Var?

I understood from other posts that Deca can be included at approx 1/3 of your Test dose, what about the Var? I've seen ranges from 20mgs to 80mgs per day??

H
 
I know clinicis that will give you 300mg Deca week and 50mg Var or Winny orals a day...BUT clinics are about making $$.....getting a real MD, meaning a doc you visit in your hometown, to hand out this stuff or at these dosages, would be nearly impossible I imagine....especially since clinics will give out 200-400mg Test weekly.....getting a local MD to give more than 150-200mg a week is going to be a chore if not impossible for most folks unless they have a reallly really cool doc! :-)
 
Then I consider myself lucky :)

No "non-clinic" dosages on the Var then? Although...if they are prescribing test at 400mg/w then I'd assume that their other dosages are at the top end as well?? And how long would you run 50mg Var for before cycling back to Deca? 20 - 25 days?

H
 
clinical var doses seem to be on the low end and expensive, many seem to think its not worth it. It also jacks your labs and why its only cycled, even with doc supervision. 400mg/w test is the top end, some may go a bit higher if nothing else is being used.
 
Zyglamail said:
clinical var doses seem to be on the low end and expensive, many seem to think its not worth it. It also jacks your labs and why its only cycled, even with doc supervision. 400mg/w test is the top end, some may go a bit higher if nothing else is being used.
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So we should look @ 80-100mgs day?

Hardly sounds worhtwhile...
 
hannes joubert said:
So we should look @ 80-100mgs day?

Hardly sounds worhtwhile...
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should? I wouldnt say that. My question would be why do you want to use var at all? Are you on TRT or cycling?
 
jeeze if you find a doc to give you 80mg-100mg Var a day Id be raising my eyebrows, as well wonder how deep your damn pockets are whoa....thats probably an entire years worth of Test, HCG, and Arimidex, for a month or two of Var!
 
WHOA, SLOW DOWN BOYS :)

You guys are excitable....Pls remember that I have no frame of reference for what are high dosages and what are not.

I am on TRT, not on a cycle. I am not planning to do the Deca/Anavar thing yet, I have other issues to sort out first.

When I do reach that point (where I can add other substances to my Test E pin) It will be to enhance quality of life, such as Deca for the joints. Anavar sounded interesting in that it could help with shedding the last couple of kilo's, that's all...

It does sound though that there is no real consensus on the dosage for cycling Anavar for 4 - 6 weeks?

H
 
the HRT clinic I know of will give you 50mg for 30-60 days every 6 months....Deca I forget how often they will prescribe that...

I think if you search, there are a fair number of guys who have tried or are trying Primo 100-200mg week in addition to their Test, but you gotta source that yourself...but its supposed to be a gem of a roid...
 
Power36 said:
the HRT clinic I know of will give you 50mg for 30-60 days every 6 months....Deca I forget how often they will prescribe that...

I think if you search, there are a fair number of guys who have tried or are trying Primo 100-200mg week in addition to their Test, but you gotta source that yourself...but its supposed to be a gem of a roid...
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Primo/Primo Depot (difference?) is doable, @ 200mgs a week I think it is less expensive than the Anavar...but still expensive
 
Yea Var or Primo you are gonna pay....which would be better 50mg of Var or 200mg Primo a week Im not sure....

Id love to do the Primo at 600mg a week like some on here say for a blast, just too expensive.....200mg Primo in addition to some Test might be a fun HRT run for 5 months or so to see what it does but still costly
 
Power36 said:
Yea Var or Primo you are gonna pay....which would be better 50mg of Var or 200mg Primo a week Im not sure....

Id love to do the Primo at 600mg a week like some on here say for a blast, just too expensive.....200mg Primo in addition to some Test might be a fun HRT run for 5 months or so to see what it does but still costly
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i think 200m primo ran all year long with test is better, now that's fun :p
 
Didnt you try that for a while? I think someone did and I forget their results........but even 200mg week is gonna be $100 month.......think its worth it??? Im getting my labs back next week, and admitted to doc I had some Deca and Var from an HRT clinic Ive been sitting on....he is considering allowing me to use it because he is curious to see what it does......but I just cant tell him about the Mast.....planning on the 400mg Mast 10 weeks plus 50mg Var day 8 weeks, and maybe 100mg Deca week....think I might keep the Test at 200mg just so I dont blow up haha.....maybe bump it to 300mg week...

Looking forward to trying to get a little freaky shredded....I just dont eat enough protein and I know it...I hit shakes 3 times a day and 3 meals a day but am not a big eater as of late, but staying at 235lbs and around 8% bodyfat....if I can tighten up the diet eating way more protein, I think Ill get sick results even if i keep the Test low but add the Mast, Var, and a little Deca...
 
Power36 said:
Didnt you try that for a while? I think someone did and I forget their results........but even 200mg week is gonna be $100 month.......think its worth it??? Im getting my labs back next week, and admitted to doc I had some Deca and Var from an HRT clinic Ive been sitting on....he is considering allowing me to use it because he is curious to see what it does......but I just cant tell him about the Mast.....planning on the 400mg Mast 10 weeks plus 50mg Var day 8 weeks, and maybe 100mg Deca week....think I might keep the Test at 200mg just so I dont blow up haha.....maybe bump it to 300mg week...

Looking forward to trying to get a little freaky shredded....I just dont eat enough protein and I know it...I hit shakes 3 times a day and 3 meals a day but am not a big eater as of late, but staying at 235lbs and around 8% bodyfat....if I can tighten up the diet eating way more protein, I think Ill get sick results even if i keep the Test low but add the Mast, Var, and a little Deca...
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actually i tried for a couple of months until i ran out of it and can't find a legit source for it , it did cost me 50 $ a month and it was the turkish (schering) primo , i was planing on staying all year long but didn't happen , what i noticed is more vascularity and a little more hardness , not that much but it was only 2 months run, i may try a UG lab which will cost about the same but as u said it's still expensive but it's worthy to run all year long for the rich guys :D , i found a better alternative and it's about the same molecule as primo but more anabolic and about the same in androgenicity and it's 1-testosterone (dihydroboldenone) it comes in 200mg/ml and a 10 ml vial cost about the same of EQ, check it out boys it'll really interests you it is know to be the most anabolic steroids ever it's 7 times more anabolic than testosterone and have the best affinity in binding with the androgen receptors.

and btw " the lion " tried this protocol (200mg primo) but it was not for a long time , what i remember is that he hated it and said it caused him some hair loss and oily skin, but this is his opinion or his experience i never felt anything on primo but good sense of well being and poverty :p

i originately took this idea from nelson montana , it was to cut on testosterone dose to avoid some sides and compensate with the mildest AAS which is primo for anabolism and it has it's share in relieving the symptoms from low test when mixed with a moderate amount of test for egg. instead of doing 250mg of test go back to 150mg and 200mg primo, i personally didn't feel the drop when i tried it, but my plans later is to try 1-testosterone at 100mg which is more than enough with 200mg test.
 
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