Deca and Var at HRT Clinics

[Power36]

Cool....I just wondered if there was any big name docs who wrote anywhere about why they use Deca with HRT....I understand why my old clinic gave it to me, as well Var, and I know they give others winny.....but to talk to my "regular" docs who are never going to prescribe it, just wanted to see if there was data or a solidified trend of HRT docs, or any research using Deca or Var in HRT, to show them, so I could justify a blast with them...hence being able to do labs, and not worrying about "hiding" it....

 

[Zyglamail]

i know that winny is prescribed for anemia , deca for connective tissue or osteoporosis (for women usually) , var for burned patients as it's too have go good impact on collagen but with less sides than deca, but prescribing them on top of ur test for hrt to relieve low test symptoms i see no point except low dose deca of course for joint support and bone density.

You have to remember are not just treating low test based on numbers, they are treating the sides of aging and low natural test, these sides are many and involve things like libido, abdominal fat gain, depression just to name a few. A couple runs of var a year can help people drop some fat and get to a bodyweight that is more healthy and manageable and all of this can lead to a better self esteem, reduced risk of suicide, healthier body composition etc etc.

There are obviously upper limits to what they can prescribe and labs have to show no harm being done but at the end of the day they are not treating just low lab numbers of serum test. Thats one of the main reasons they can prescribe doses that actually put you over normal lab range.

 

[Power36]

So generallly you think I could tell my doc the Deca is for joint pain, connective tissue repair, immune boost, etc when added to T? And Var added for fat loss goals in ab region (there has been some study on that I think?), immune boost and connective tissue repair?

 

[XMAN.]

in my opinion for a middle aged man or older the best thing to add above test is a little GH or some GH releasing peps, in low doses which becomes cheap and covers all the issues from aging and a lot better than other steroids alternatives.

egg. 2iu gh/ed or 4iu eod (sub-q) or even 6iu/e3d shot IM
in case of other peps , Ipamorelin (or ghrp-2 or 6) 100mcg + mod. Grf 1-29 (cjc-1295 w/o dac) for 100mcg too shot once everyday pre bed sub-q.

 

[Power36]

Im already on GH....doubt any of my docs are gonna play with peptides....only things with established protocols....

 

[hannes joubert]

What are the dosages for Deca and Var?

I understood from other posts that Deca can be included at approx 1/3 of your Test dose, what about the Var? I've seen ranges from 20mgs to 80mgs per day??

H

 

[Power36]

I know clinicis that will give you 300mg Deca week and 50mg Var or Winny orals a day...BUT clinics are about making $$.....getting a real MD, meaning a doc you visit in your hometown, to hand out this stuff or at these dosages, would be nearly impossible I imagine....especially since clinics will give out 200-400mg Test weekly.....getting a local MD to give more than 150-200mg a week is going to be a chore if not impossible for most folks unless they have a reallly really cool doc!

 

[hannes joubert]

Then I consider myself lucky

No "non-clinic" dosages on the Var then? Although...if they are prescribing test at 400mg/w then I'd assume that their other dosages are at the top end as well?? And how long would you run 50mg Var for before cycling back to Deca? 20 - 25 days?

H

 

[Zyglamail]

clinical var doses seem to be on the low end and expensive, many seem to think its not worth it. It also jacks your labs and why its only cycled, even with doc supervision. 400mg/w test is the top end, some may go a bit higher if nothing else is being used.

 

[hannes joubert]

clinical var doses seem to be on the low end and expensive, many seem to think its not worth it. It also jacks your labs and why its only cycled, even with doc supervision. 400mg/w test is the top end, some may go a bit higher if nothing else is being used.

So we should look @ 80-100mgs day?

Hardly sounds worhtwhile...