Zimbabwe tells white farmers to leave

[MR.?]

TheSalami,

You have consistently stated that I support the governmental actions of Zimbabwe. I disagree with many of the actions deemed necessary by Zimbabwe officials.

However, we cannot deny or forget how European settlers acquired land and resources within Africa. Murder, rape, war and other atrocities were tools used to conquer Africa. Remember, I do not support the actions currently being exercised to regain control by African nationalists. I believe that violent action will only hinder the progress of Zimbabwe for all citizens whether they are African or European.

 

[TheSalami]

so what do you support? do you support getting rid of the whites? what atrocities by whites are you talking about? you think the farmers are responsible for actions of people in the past? i really dont know about whites taking over african nations except for south africa so feel free to educate me. i dont see other african nations run by whites so i dont know what your talking about. also as far as i know south africa is quickly heading into the shitter now that the whites arent running things. if you look at the problems in africa it always seems to be black on black. i dont see the whites as the problem its just the stupidity of the people living there.

 

[TheSalami]

by the way, i dont think for a second you could come up with any specific information about colonists abusing blacks in africa without looking it up now. i doubt you could even name 5 african nations off the top of your head.

 

[SleepingFist]

nuff hypocrisy

Go back a mile and a half and I said...no man is responsile for the actions of his ancestors...Mr ?, when you state you cannot forget or deny the way white settlers aquired the land what you are really saying is they, generations later, their offspring deserve to die. Come on man, I have no problem with admitting that history exists and shit happened, but if you are using it to condemn men and women whose only sin was to be born then you are wholly beneath contempt. If a child is born from a rape do you just kill it...'oh sorry Mr Freshly born Kid but your dad was a rapist' then grab it by the ankles and blat its head in against a wall?

You come over as quite rational, probabaly only slightly more verbal than me or less, not sure, I suffer from sesquiliadailianism more than most, but you can't say what you say and expect anyone to take you seriously if you think what it sounds like you think...damn that hurt.

 

[MR.?]

TheSalami,

I support only peaceful means to heal the wounds of Africa. There are many problems facing the contient of Africa, but they will only be solved if both sides can come together and present each other with ideas and methods to better Africa for everyone.

I understand why you don't believe some of the statements I made. Here are a few websites which may help provide you with a better understanding of African history so that we can contiue this debate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/africa/features/storyofafrica/index.shtml

www.allafrica.com ............will provide more up to date information on the current status of Africa

www.fordham.edu/halsall/africa/africasbook.html ..........great sourcebook of information providing arguements from all sides.

 

[TheSalami]

jesus man, im not about to read the entire history of africa. every continent has had its ups and downs. there have been tons of countries destroyed by other countries and people massacred all over the world. since you seem to think whites have ruined africa how about just posting a link where i can read about that specific topic. i think there is a lot more black on black war in africa than there is whites killing blacks. show me something that proves me wrong.

 

[MR.?]

TheSalami,

I cited those links to provide legitimacy for my claims of African history. If you are not willing to read the history of Africa then your opinion loses strength with me.

You are right that all nations have problems and that native Africans have played an equal role in the current status of the continent.

 

[TheSalami]

listen, i am not about to read a continents entire history for this discussion. this is thread is devoted to the current situation in zimbabwe. do you know anything about the history of zimbabwe? i doubt that you do. i also doubt that you have read those sites that you posted links to. if you want to support your belief that whites are responsible for africas problem then post a link to information on that topic. as far as i see there is tons of civil war all over africa and its pretty much all black on black. no need to go over the entire history for this if you just stick to the topic we are discussing.

 

[Mandinka]

Consistentcy and modernism

Friends ,
first of all I think that it is a great thing indeed that ordinary folks such as ourselves are discussing real issues such as these (and on a bodybuilding site). Funny that I should finally have something to agree with Weapon X on , but I wonder if he would be willing to apply the same standards of justice to Israel.


In 1967 the International War Crimes Tribunal held sessions in Stockholm and Roskilde, in Denmark, to hear evidence on the conduct of the war in Vietnam. Invitations to the American government had been ignored. To many people it seemed a ludicrous situation: a tribunal without any power investigating a conflict in which its own sympathies were very clear. But there was a precedent: the Nuremberg War Trials had also assumed the right of judgement. And it had been a US Supreme Court judge who had said at Nuremberg: ‘If certain acts and violations of treaties are crimes, they are crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them. We are not prepared to lay down a rule of criminal conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoke against us.’
The Tribunal merely took America at its word. The evidence it heard was from historians, scientists, journalists, American soldiers and Vietnamese civilians. Its findings were of political connivance at unjust war, of wholesale attacks on civilians, hospitals and schools, of torture of political prisoners, of calculated disruption of the landscape and social structure of Vietnam.
Since 1967, Bertrand Russell has died and the world has heard of ‘Pinkville’.

For those who do not know , Russell was an absolute genius , who spoke three languages at the age of three, became a British MP and Lord and wrote both "The Philosophy of Mathematics" and one of my favourite books of all time "The Conquest of Happiness". He also might have been the most honest politician since Jesus Christ (and indeed might have given him a run for his money).
Cheers.

 

[Weapon X]

In short, Mandinka, I don't think the sitch is at all analagous:

1.) There was never a nation called "Palestine."
2.) There is no people called "Palestinians." They are Arabs asking for land which has been inhabited by Jews for thousands of years.
Truth be told, I'm not into discussing this any more, as the last thread on which this was discussed got deleted as being to offensive and controversial as all the Jew-haters came out of the woodwork.

You can do some reading here, though: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22564