Your take on using performance enhancing drugs?

[needsize]

Just curious about what people think about the use of steroids in general?
My opinion has always been that if you have put in the time naturally and feel that you can't get any further than what you have achieved, then there is nothing wrong with safe use of steroids. And by putting in time I don't mean a teenager who has pissed around in the gym for a year or two, I mean someone who has capped out there natural limit after years of hard work and proper training.

Thoughts?????

 

[gymtime]

Agreed. However, there's no denying that steroids help you gain muscle that you simply did not work for. I have nothing against safe steroid use, but I wish some people would acknowledge that fact.

 

[needsize]

I agree to a point, but I do feel that you definitely work for the muscle gains, or at least I do. After over 10 years of hard natural training my physique was pretty advanced so even with roids the gains aren't that easy, this is the most intense and draining my workouts have ever been.
But I do think that what you said is true with guys just looking for the easy way out!!

 

[gymtime]

I'm forced to disagree. And please don't take this the wrong way because I've always respected your work ethic. So this is really not about that.

I've seen your pics and you are unusually large for your height. A part of that size has come from nowhere else but the contents of a syringe. I don't care how much you work, what you eat, whatever. You would not be able to reach the size you are now without AS, period. Could you get close? Yup. Would you shrink a great deal without them? Probably not knowing how dedicated you are. But the fact is that steriods add to your muscle size without having to work for it.

I know that steroid users don't like to admit this. They are understandably sensitive to the subject. They assume that people who say what I've just said think they are cheating and they get their physiques from a bottle. I don't mean to say that at all. But I know one thing. That extra half inch or inch on the bis, those extra couple inches around the chest or quads, are the result of steriods and nothing else.

 

[needsize]

No problem, I'm not offended.
But what you saw in those pics basically was natural, I admit it was at the end of my first cycle, but I was only at 205lbs when they were taken. I have been close to 220lbs naturally in the past but not quite as lean, but my measurements (arms, quads, chest) were exactly what they were a few years back I had dropped a lot of size this past year due to buying a house, getting married, honeymoon, etc so was down to 180lbs but really lean. So in effect that first cycle just got me back to where I was.
I admit now though, at the end of my second cycle, I'm at a level that I've never been able to achieve before, but my motivation is that I want to try my hand at competing.

 

[gymtime]

I'm surprised you kept your sanity with all that going on. I'm buying a house right now. My first. It's a damn headache-a-thon. I can't imagine dealing with a marriage right now. You're a stronger man than I my friend. But wait, that's probably from the juice too.

 

[Belial]

there's no denying that steroids help you gain muscle that you simply did not work for.

So I work 40 hours a week and make $400. You work 40 hours a week and make $600. Are you working less to make $400? Yes. But you're not just doing enough work to make $400, you're doing 40 hours. You just end up with more money in your pocket...

See what I'm driving at?

 

[Lord_Suston]

Opinion of Gear

I am neutral on the subject, but i know for fact that a lot of the muscle that people gain are due to steroids, these gains usually help them get past a plateau the couldn't get past naturally. On the other hand many peolple say that juicing is the easy way out, and to that I disagree, many weightlifters who use still put their time in the gym and most often a lot more than the average fellow, so they still workout and put in the time.

Now there are always exception to the rules, but my own opinion about frugs, any kind I might add, if you can't handle it don't do it. Other than that do what you want....

 

[needsize]

There really is a huge difference between using them to blast past your natural plateau, and just jumping on them because you don't have the patience to try it the natural way first.

 

[gymtime]

So I work 40 hours a week and make $400. You work 40 hours a week and make $600. Are you working less to make $400? Yes. But you're not just doing enough work to make $400, you're doing 40 hours. You just end up with more money in your pocket...

See what I'm driving at?

It must be late or something, but you've completely lost me.

 

[Sebass67]

Yeah i see what you are driving at. But than can u say that the extra $200 on top is free? at least relative to the natural bodybuilder who will have to work another 20hrs to get that.

See what i am getting at?

I love controversy.

 

[Ingram]

So I work 40 hours a week and make $400. You work 40 hours a week and make $600. Are you working less to make $400? Yes. But you're not just doing enough work to make $400, you're doing 40 hours. You just end up with more money in your pocket...

See what I'm driving at?

Yes and you will continue to make $400 a week untill you get a better job!

See what I'm driving at?

 

[ZenMachine]

The point is that the input (work) is still the same, just the output changes (results).

I agree with needsize. Until I would reach a point of my natural limits, I am not interested in using steriods.

Zen

 

[Jabs]

I think you have to train long enough to know how to use form properly and you have to know how to get past sticking points and of course the diet has to be down. I've met many ecto's in my gym who claim they can't grow an inch and then I look and their diet and it sucks no dedication and then they sauce out of frustration. They grow for a while then they lose most of their gains because their diet can't feed their new body weight.

 

[cozmokramer]

I believe that just because you inject yourself, it doesn't mean you
are going to get huge size... you still have to work your ass off for
good gains.

I think that with gear or without, the most important thing is solid
work ethic in the gym and when eating. I've seen tons of people
use gear and gain just a tiny bit on a cycle where they could have
gained twice or three times as much... why....? because they didn't
work out hard.

 

[BatZgirl]

Well

Im not realy for steroids but most people dont seem to know what steroids do. Its not how most people think: if you take steroids you'll get a good build NO NO NO. Even if you take steroids then you need to train otherwise the effect of them will not be successfull.

Some people have excellent genetics and can build muscles quickly while others have (no offence) shit genetics and train like crazy but just dont pic up size and yes then they need steroids

Not everyone needs them but still they take them to get bigger then what they need. I know a guy who looks horrible, he has a small head and this HUGE body, it looks rediculous

 

[nikolai_bolkov]

It's a personal thing. There are no rules, if you wanna use then use. Natural limits my ass. I want to look good sooner rather than later.

How fair is it for some people to look ripped because of their genetics? Not to me, my genetics are not that good, and I'll do what I have to to get where I want.