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Rogue Warrior
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I would bet my left nut Arnold is doing GH. Maybe some test to boot.
He is a star who needs to keep his looks and paying for it is chunk change to him.
He is a star who needs to keep his looks and paying for it is chunk change to him.
T-Rage
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Except for one other post everyone is overlooking one key factor...
Testosterone Levels!
We already know genetics plays a major part in how our bodies respond to resistance training with and without gear. We all know that even with tons of gear, training and nutrition the majority of us will never even be close to the pros. With that said let's look at testosterone. Our bodies only produce so much testosterone. Some men produce more than others hence their naturally bigger size and masculinity. Some men produce less and are small, typically weaker and sometimes even exhibit feminine type features. We know that testerone plays a huge part in promoting anabolism and reducing catabolism. We also know that through resistance training we can promote the release of additional endogenous testosterone that will allow the body to adapt to the new stress placed upon it. Unfortunetely, within our natural limits an interesting thing occurs as described below.
Before reaching our naturally determined maximum genetic weight:
1) We follow a resistance training program
2) We give our body plenty of rest to recuperate and eat sufficiently
3) We end up growing stronger and bigger as a result
As we approach our naturally determined maximum genetic weight:
1) We follow a resistance training program of increased volume and/or intensity
2) Out bodies require more and more rest to recover from the more strenuous workouts ( which reduces how often we can train )
3) Our bodies either cannot recover properly or are overly stressed due to the huge workload
4) Cortisol is going crazy due to the extreme stress place on the body, CNS, etc. and is surpassing the benefits of any additional testosterone released due to the resistance training
Bang! We reached our naturally determined maximum genetic weight. To go beyond this weight would require so much training or training at such a high instensity that even if you could get another pound or two on your body (I'm talking about lean pounds) it would require so much work between training, diet, supplements, rest, etc. that the return on investment would be terrible and not worth it.
So even if the use of AAS are beneficial in terms of stretching the muscle, etc. if the balance between anabolism and catabolism favors catabolism for whatever reason the body is going to catabolize muscle until my hormonal feedback systems says to no longer catabolize muscle. Can anyone maintain muscle mass while getting weekly cortisol shots? Of course not!
I strongly agree with all of those who feel the body will always go back to its naturally determined maximum genetic weight given enough time.
Testosterone Levels!
We already know genetics plays a major part in how our bodies respond to resistance training with and without gear. We all know that even with tons of gear, training and nutrition the majority of us will never even be close to the pros. With that said let's look at testosterone. Our bodies only produce so much testosterone. Some men produce more than others hence their naturally bigger size and masculinity. Some men produce less and are small, typically weaker and sometimes even exhibit feminine type features. We know that testerone plays a huge part in promoting anabolism and reducing catabolism. We also know that through resistance training we can promote the release of additional endogenous testosterone that will allow the body to adapt to the new stress placed upon it. Unfortunetely, within our natural limits an interesting thing occurs as described below.
Before reaching our naturally determined maximum genetic weight:
1) We follow a resistance training program
2) We give our body plenty of rest to recuperate and eat sufficiently
3) We end up growing stronger and bigger as a result
As we approach our naturally determined maximum genetic weight:
1) We follow a resistance training program of increased volume and/or intensity
2) Out bodies require more and more rest to recover from the more strenuous workouts ( which reduces how often we can train )
3) Our bodies either cannot recover properly or are overly stressed due to the huge workload
4) Cortisol is going crazy due to the extreme stress place on the body, CNS, etc. and is surpassing the benefits of any additional testosterone released due to the resistance training
Bang! We reached our naturally determined maximum genetic weight. To go beyond this weight would require so much training or training at such a high instensity that even if you could get another pound or two on your body (I'm talking about lean pounds) it would require so much work between training, diet, supplements, rest, etc. that the return on investment would be terrible and not worth it.
So even if the use of AAS are beneficial in terms of stretching the muscle, etc. if the balance between anabolism and catabolism favors catabolism for whatever reason the body is going to catabolize muscle until my hormonal feedback systems says to no longer catabolize muscle. Can anyone maintain muscle mass while getting weekly cortisol shots? Of course not!
I strongly agree with all of those who feel the body will always go back to its naturally determined maximum genetic weight given enough time.
Arnie is one juice. I bet he is on year round mild gh and test therapy regulated by some of the best doctors in business.
ManOfArms
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In order to keep the gains after AS use, especially years after completely off AS, your body must produce a natural level of testosterone witch is capable of sustaining that gain. This is all genetic, however, taking AS does not change your genetic/natural development of testosterone what so ever!!!!!!! Simple as that my friends..
02gixxersix
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this fuckin thread pisses me off everytime i see it pop back up to the top. Im in mid cycle and this just isnt something i want to hear. If you do one cycle and then get lazy and dont eat right and expect to keep ur gains then ur a moron. also if you're ronnie coleman and you expect to keep your gains you're a moron. I know guys that have been off for years, older guys in their 40's and also guys in their forties that lost ot all due to surgeries or car accidents, and they got it back rather quick without aas. so since muscle has good memory this would mean that the muscle they put on originally from gear was all REAL muscle.
Rogue Warrior
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02gixxersix, the muscle memory will kick in after a lay-off, but has nothing to do with how real the AAS gains were. Most everyone (I hope all) had a substancial bit of muscle prior to use. That is what your body can recapture naturally, not what you were dong while you were on your cycle.
Don't be pissed off with the truth. Be happy that you can be liberated.
Don't be pissed off with the truth. Be happy that you can be liberated.
marky
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back on line! computer crashed
Look, its all in how long youve been at this obssesion. I jabbed myself for the first time in 1988. You just cant do it for too long or you seriously get burned out, not to mention the pain and dominance the practice can have on your life. So take a LONG break like 1-2 years and do all the natural training. Ive been there and done that several times. Its ALWAYS the same. Grow big, shrink back, put on some more weight by good diet & train
But NEVER like while on. If you stop training and diet completely as I have during turning points in my life, you return to good old normal before aas you. Believe me or not, Im just relating it as it was.
Look, its all in how long youve been at this obssesion. I jabbed myself for the first time in 1988. You just cant do it for too long or you seriously get burned out, not to mention the pain and dominance the practice can have on your life. So take a LONG break like 1-2 years and do all the natural training. Ive been there and done that several times. Its ALWAYS the same. Grow big, shrink back, put on some more weight by good diet & train
But NEVER like while on. If you stop training and diet completely as I have during turning points in my life, you return to good old normal before aas you. Believe me or not, Im just relating it as it was.
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