You will not keep your gains

[WanTtoBeDeisel]

THEN WHY IN FUCK ARE WE ALL DOING THIS TO OURSELVES?! we inject, we swallow, hell ive swallowed gear i was supposed to inject(winny). and for what? for what i ask. when all is said and done we are going to return to the way we were before we ever juiced? no no i take that question back we wont be the same... we will have acne, liver problems, and we will have rapidly sped up the balding process. and for what? to be 30 lbs heavier for 5 months until it eventually melts away? i dont know boys, i think im starting to have a revelation here...

 

[bebaumax]

a lot of it has to also do with how long you maintained that "weight". I mean, if you took an 8 or 12 week cycle and expect to go off and maintain that, you will not, on the other hand, if you maintain that weight over a longer period of time, say over a year, then quit, you are more likely to keep it more of it, since alot of it will be actual muscle gain and not water weight. I think it's funny when people say I gained 15-20 lbs lbm, that is VERY hard to do on a 1 year bulking cycle without going off roids at all.

Although you make excellent points, and we all value the input, will you please keep posting so I can keep looking at your avatar?
-B

 

[shifti]

You don't keep your gains because your B]OVERTRAINING[/B]

 

[myasshurts]

I did not overtrain. I eased off on the training like everyone recommends. The sad fact of the matter is most human beings are not made to be musclebound freaks.

 

[Jimsbbc]

I disagree with your conclusions. Based on personal experience, AS use changes a person's genetic "spot" permanently.

I have to agree with this. I am the same age and my off season weight is 235 when it used to be 195 four years ago. Now when i'm on i hit 255 and when i get off and stay off it doesn't go lower than about 20.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

you can achieve a higher set point with gear. the homeostatic point from which it is usually difficult to move up or down.

for people with high metabolisms maintaining a higher set point is more difficult.

the longer you stay at a point the less likely your body to lose those "gains".

people with poor genetics, will always have poor genetics.. the drugs will hide that fact... much like people that have retroviruses.. the drugs suppress the virus(you get bigger).. but it is still there underlying.. in time your body may get better at suppressing it (increased set point).. but the underlying framework is mostly unchanged..

note: for most people once your big its hard to get small.. but when your inbetween and havenet been there long.. its easy to revert without hard work and discipline (even then it may not be enough)..

 

[myasshurts]

Jim out of curiosity how long do you take off between cycles?

 

[McBane]

Just thought I'd toss my 2 cents in. Yeah I haven't cycled extensively (only 2 cycles) but just from experience, the experiences of others I know, and using basic knowledge of science I'd have to agree with macrophage. The longer you keep a certain bodyweight, the harder it will be to lose it. Hence if you do a 6 week cycle and gain 20lbs, you aren't going to keep much of it. If you do a 12 week cycle and gain 20lbs you are a LOT more likely to keep it. Forget who said it but it applies here, "In order to get huge fast, you need to gain slowly"

 

[jacshelb]

I think what Nelson said makes sense. Alot of it must be about adaptation. That, and activating sattelite cells- my guess anyhow. If you could combine the benefits of slow but steady gains with the benifits of hyperplasia, that would be the ticket. Of course, I don't know if this is possible (hyperplasia I mean).

Along the lines of what I was saying earlier, is there any way to activate sattelite cells without AAS? Are there other drugs to be made with better potential for long term results? Can we cycle smarter with better long term results in mind?

I'm sure that the idea of "delayed gratification" can and should be applied when thinking about gaining muscle. To me we are creating something, working toward a goal. To me it is not about being "huge" by summer (though that would be cool!)/.

Jacob

 

[Rogue Warrior]

To get huge fast, you must gain slowly makes no sence what so ever.

I think we agree to keep gains, you must gain slowly.

If thats the case; unless you are competitive BB, why do gear at all? You can make slow steady gains by increasing food, intensity of workouts, and time of rest between workouts.

If you quit making gains and reach your genetic potential (something i think is for the most part rare) any chemically enhanced gains will only be temporary. Great if you are going to compete, a brief vanity trip for your average John Q lifter.