you secret weapon

[jnef]

lets say money is not an issue

what your favorite/ most effective stack you run for clean/low bloat gains

give me details

if its too outrageous / you dont want newbs to try - pm it to me

 

[swole]

low dose test / moderate amount of primo

example.

I'm 5'9" 210 and am on

300mg Test E / 500mg Primo

all lean, low bloat gains on a maintenance diet with 300g protein daily

what more can you ask for??

 

[bigpimpin25]

primobolan 600mg a week
tren acetate 37.5mg every day
test enanthate 250mg a week
anavar 50mg every day

 

[jnef]

sounds good, keep em coming

 

[digimon7068]

i got this last year from test/deca/dbol. . .

january

april

july

 

[jnef]

i got this last year from test/deca/dbol. . .

january

april

july

impressive, that wasnt one big cycle was it?

 

[digimon7068]

impressive, that wasnt one big cycle was it?

15 weeks started in february. . .

dbol 25mg ed weeks 1-4

deca 300mg ew weeks 1-12

sust 500mg ew weeks 1-13

oh yeah and:

test prop 100mg eod weeks 14 - 15 (i HATE doing nothing for two weeks while i wait to start my pct)

the point is, the above is a classic "mass" stack. . .but i used it to get lean. . .diet and cardio are extremely important. . .the type(s) of chemical(s) you use are not. . .

 

[jnef]

15 weeks started in february. . .

dbol 25mg ed weeks 1-4

deca 300mg ew weeks 1-12

sust 500mg ew weeks 1-13

oh yeah and:

test prop 100mg eod weeks 14 - 15 (i HATE doing nothing for two weeks while i wait to start my pct)

that really proves that you can cut on anything - great work bro

 

[digimon7068]

that really proves that you can cut on anything - great work bro

diet and cardio = very important

choice of chemicals (as long as it includes some test) = is not very important

 

[jnef]

diet and cardio = very important

choice of chemicals (as long as it includes some test) = is not very important

tell me about it, diet/cardio is what took me from a big pile of blubber to "beach body"

however i do find it easier to cut when im not holding much water, keeps me motivated when i see the progress

 

[digimon7068]

tell me about it, diet/cardio is what took me from a big pile of blubber to "beach body"

however i do find it easier to cut when im not holding much water, keeps me motivated when i see the progress

carb control is my key to keeping the pillsbury doughboy away.

 

[SpyWizard]

low dose test / moderate amount of primo

example.

I'm 5'9" 210 and am on

300mg Test E / 500mg Primo

all lean, low bloat gains on a maintenance diet with 300g protein daily

what more can you ask for??

simple, add to the above 60mg var for 6 weeks, and PGCL for "shits" and giggles..

diet.. diet.. diet.. that's the secret..

 

[jnef]

simple, add to the above 60mg var for 6 weeks, and PGCL for "shits" and giggles..

diet.. diet.. diet.. that's the secret..

i know diet is key - im just looking for some new stack ideas, some stacks do seem to work better in that moderate caloric state vs bulking massive caloric state - its summer im not looking to bulk or bloat.

 

[eddymerckx]

week 1-12 primo 600 mg
week 1-12 test prop 500mg
week 1-8 tren ace 100 e/o/d
week 4-12 var (30mg works for me)
amp o2 or xplosive burn b4 workout

 

[jnef]

week 1-12 primo 600 mg
week 1-12 test prop 500mg
week 1-8 tren ace 100 e/o/d
week 4-12 var (30mg works for me)
amp o2 or xplosive burn b4 workout

^^^ thats what i like to see - keep em coming bros

 

[SpyWizard]

i know diet is key - im just looking for some new stack ideas, some stacks do seem to work better in that moderate caloric state vs bulking massive caloric state - its summer im not looking to bulk or bloat.

that's why i suggested the var and PGCL.. no bloat and it's hard not to become dehydrated using PGCL..

You can't drink enough water using these 2 compounds

 

[cobracock1979]

that's why i suggested the var and PGCL.. no bloat and it's hard not to become dehydrated using PGCL..

You can't drink enough water using these 2 compounds

Tren/ prop/ var/ masteron sonds good, never done it tho

 

[halfcenturian]

^^^ thats what i like to see - keep em coming bros

I'm doing similar to Eddy's cycle right now....

With slight alterations/ modifications...

500 primo/wk
Starting with Var 40mg/day
75 Masteron/ED
Closing with Halo last 4 weeks 20mg/ED.

 

[jnef]

I'm doing similar to Eddy's cycle right now....

With slight alterations/ modifications...

500 primo/wk
Starting with Var 40mg/day
75 Masteron/ED
Closing with Halo last 4 weeks 20mg/ED.

good shit bro, always wanted to give halo a go

 

[GUARDIAN]

my secret weapon is my diet. get that perfected for yourself and the sky is the limit.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

The best cycle I ever ran was about 8 years ago and I do not recommend anyone to try it (it was an experiment I was doing and it worked for me incredibly). Although I did suffer some sides, they were not too bad and the main one was acne.

I peaked with size, personal bests, strength and grew at a rate that really did worry some people. My own gf would notice quite shocking changes every 4-5 days (between days she didnt see me with my clothes off).

I am not recommending anyone try this or anything similar, this is what worked for me like nothing else and I am experienced enough and was experienced enough to know how my body reacted to different substances at different ammounts as well as being responsible and educated enough to know what I was doing and injecting.

I preloaded with 2000mgs of enanthate split in 3 injections over the first week then ran at 1500mgs for 8wks

I did 600mgs of eq from week 1 through to wk 10 along with 50mgs of winny split in 2 doses (25mgs in each arm at 6-8hr intervals) - for wks 1-8 and 20mgs of anavar daily for the first 4 weeks (it was at a time when people only started realising and experimenting with anavar at higher doses).

Along with this I was on t3 25-50-75-50-25-12.5, clen/eca combo and lasix (the lasix messed my joints up big time and have never used it since).

In addition to this was the insulin which was used for 3 wks, working my way up from 4iu's daily to 12iu's daily (taken once a day post workout) or at breakfast if I was not working out that day.

I was on 6500 calories a day and added just under 31clean lbs - I did lose a little after but it was nothing OTT. Strength gains went through the roof as did my confidence levels.

Unfortunately so did aggression but I am still around today and caused no harm to anyone.

lets say money is not an issue

what your favorite/ most effective stack you run for clean/low bloat gains

give me details

if its too outrageous / you dont want newbs to try - pm it to me

 

[dolf215]

My favorite was

Test E 600/w 1-15
Tren E 400/w 1-12
Eq 600/w 1-15
Var 60/ED 10-17

I was bulking at the time but got noticeably leaner and the muscle took on a more dense/ hard look to it. Vascularity was nice as well

 

[Burpees]

The best cycle I ever ran was about 8 years ago and I do not recommend anyone to try it (it was an experiment I was doing and it worked for me incredibly). Although I did suffer some sides, they were not too bad and the main one was acne.

I peaked with size, personal bests, strength and grew at a rate that really did worry some people. My own gf would notice quite shocking changes every 4-5 days (between days she didnt see me with my clothes off).

I am not recommending anyone try this or anything similar, this is what worked for me like nothing else and I am experienced enough and was experienced enough to know how my body reacted to different substances at different ammounts as well as being responsible and educated enough to know what I was doing and injecting.

I preloaded with 2000mgs of enanthate split in 3 injections over the first week then ran at 1500mgs for 8wks

I did 600mgs of eq from week 1 through to wk 10 along with 50mgs of winny split in 2 doses (25mgs in each arm at 6-8hr intervals) - for wks 1-8 and 20mgs of anavar daily for the first 4 weeks (it was at a time when people only started realising and experimenting with anavar at higher doses).

Along with this I was on t3 25-50-75-50-25-12.5, clen/eca combo and lasix (the lasix messed my joints up big time and have never used it since).

In addition to this was the insulin which was used for 3 wks, working my way up from 4iu's daily to 12iu's daily (taken once a day post workout) or at breakfast if I was not working out that day.

I was on 6500 calories a day and added just under 31clean lbs - I did lose a little after but it was nothing OTT. Strength gains went through the roof as did my confidence levels.

Unfortunately so did aggression but I am still around today and caused no harm to anyone.

that's hardcore.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

that's hardcore.

Pre-loading, experimenting and being a guinea pig was all the rage about 8 years ago.

It was due to this that people started using anavar at doses above 20mgs - a day and really finding out how beneficial it was. The norm now is 40-50mgs and it was only thanks to those guinea pigs that people can reap the benefits of anavar at higher doses (mainstream of course).