Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I mean lets look right at the surface of the debate. Would you rather think you were created by intelligent design by the most intelligent entity in the universe that created everything including the dirt or evolved from a banana eating hairy monkey? I mean why would any rational person choose that?
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foreigngirl
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I beleive in evolution AND I beleive there is something out there (God). 
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curling said:
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curling said:
Sure. But then again, the bible or any other religion or religious text hasn't proven to be correct in the slightest ways yet. Billion of people trail behind these books that could have very well been written by some very literate people. There's always been scam artists and psychos', put one and one together and you got yourself a "good book". Now, I respect other religions and am not saying that it's all one big scam, but too many people follow religions blindly so you cant help but wanna slap a few peeps upside the head for not using their brain a little better.
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curling said:
Yes, I believe we evolved from the smallest living organism. It makes sense that life evolves. It's been proven in laboratories with organisms that experience short generations.
Just because someone believes in evolution does not mean this disbelieve in any religion. Evolution is simply a function of life and a process it follows. Other things like higher levels of existence or god's can still exist. Did you ever consider that the laws of physics or evolution are the grounds for which a god may control and dictate this world? Not sayin' that's right, but it's about thinking OUTSIDE of the box. You CANNOT be close-minded when it comes to deciding you ultimate belief.
foreigngirl
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curling said:
you got a point there. As I said, I beleive in both. I beleive in evolution, cause there is proof and I beleive in God too. Sometimes I think that God created us to see how we will evolve.
Another question - if God intended this planet to be for us, then why the dinosaurs were here? Why not put us on this planet right away instead of waiting billions of years?
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curling said:
No one knows exactly what happened, but those of us who beleive in Science may not have all the answers, but we are secure with that. We are okay with fact that when we die, that's it, there is no "promise land". To me the Bible is a text used for keeping people from being savage beasts, by telling them that if they are "bad" then they won't get in to heaven. People were a lot more gullible back then. What if today some person came to your church and said "I was sent here by God to tell you the real story of how the world was created and Christianity is all wrong" You'd think he was fucking crazy, but since "Jesus's" story happened when it did, people beleived it, and since it has been around so long, people just accept that it's probably what happened. I mean it seems great doesn't it. All the answers to how the Earth came to be, a promise that if you follow God's rules and accept him and Jesus that you will go to an eternal Utopia?
Think about it, an invisible man in the "heavens" creating earth and people and controlling things how he wants. Doesn't that sounds a little be on the side of a fantasy story?
If you want to believe in God and all that, then so be it, but don't go around bashing others and making assumptions about us because you don't agree with it, or with what we believe in.
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ceasar989 said:
lol..maybe he is a Illuminati
foreigngirl said:
So are you saying he started with with an ape or what? See I don't really believe that because the Bible says He created Adam in His own image and I don't see God being an ape. And if He was an ape why would he want up to look different than Him through evolution? That doesn't make any sense. See what I am saying?
As far as the dinosaurs I have different theorys on them but none worth mentioning because they are just theorys. But the Bible does mention huge creatures and stuff before the flood.
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ceasar989 said:
I know that. But Curling sais that there was no such a thing, that God put us all here the way we are today. I want him to explain how did that happen - my Q above.
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Did you know that those who believe in intelligent design get beat up by those who believe in evolution?
Not that this is a true statement or anything but neither is the title of this thread. I mean come on really what kind of statement is that?
Not that this is a true statement or anything but neither is the title of this thread. I mean come on really what kind of statement is that?
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curling said:
I think that the Old Testament - all of it - is just nice fairy tales. I beleive Jesus was real, but probably not born by a Virgin, cause in one gospel it sais that he was born from a young girl and another sais a virgin. Its all mistakes in translation. Maybe that explosion was craeted by God to see how everything will evolve. Nobody will ever know, so the debates are pointless, cause evryone has a different point of view. Why dont we just agree to disagree?
sublime35 said:
You hope that's it don't you? I mean you don't know for sure and all the scientist in the world don't know for sure. The reason I say hope is because if you are wrong that error is going to last an eternity.
Well the difference is that Jesus was prophesied(sp) in the scripture before He was even born and He filled all those prophesies.
But see it is great. Because God seeing that we couldn't follow His rules(which are for our own good btw show me a rule that you don't agree with?) very well He sent a savior because He loves us. I mean Jesus is a gift from God all you have to do is accept it.
It sounds more plausible than all this started from a big explosion. That sounds like a fantasy story. Actually it sounds stupid. And God is not controlling everything. He gave me and you freewill. Would you have rather he made you a robot?
I am sorry I didn't mean to bash you I just tried to put it in a way maybe to open your eyes a little to see the truth.
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how can the explosion theory be stupid? What is stupid is beleiving that someone put us here the same way as we plant trees!!! The evolution happened - period. Now, if a person wants to beleive in God, too, thats their own choice. What do you think of those theories that all those chariots of fire are actually aliens? That they found pictures in the caves of Africa of people with antennas?
foreigngirl said:
Remeber the watch analogy. There is no way you have organization for disorganization.
Why? I mean we take care when we plant trees don't we? We put them on fertil ground, where it will get sunlight and water. What is the difference. I mean God has provided everything we need and want.
Again, we don't want to go there because is very boring scientific debate but sorry is there is no proof.
I don't know about the antennas but we are definately not alone. I mean their are millions of angels 2/3 good % 1/3 evil amongst us. They have to get around somehow.
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Curling, if you want to have some credibility in these discussions, you need to accept that evolution is a FACT. It happens. It's been proven ad nauseum. There are fossil records etc. etc. The only thing that is in question is the HOW. That is where the POSSIBILITY of your God comes in.
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curling said:
but what if those angels are not angels, but aliens. What if some powerfull alien culture put us down here for their own scientific research?
curling, there is soooo many theories out there and we cant prove anything. All is left for us is to live our life as good as possible and hope for the best.
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bluepeter said:
agreed.
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curling said:
as of the latest buried gospels that they found, I think that Jesus preached about inner enlighment, not life in paradise. So, that makes sense to me. I sure hope there is life after death, cause that makes me feel not so comforting. Barbara Walters asked a nice question - if you are so sure that heaven exist and that its so wonderfull, why cling to life? Why not pray that you die as soon as possible so you can be at one with God and have eternal happines?
curling said:
(1) Who said anything about Lucy being a fraud? There is nothing suspect about that fossil, how it was discovered, who discovered it, or its veracity. The documentation on that one is beyond reproach.
Of course we're evolved from a fish. We have too many similarities to ignore. Heck, during fetal development for a time we even have gills.
In the attached .pdf, look at the picture on page 3:
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Mr. dB said:
correct. As far as I know, the only frauds were ancient artifacts that someone wanted to prove that the Bible is history - the Solomon tablet, Jesuses brother (James) sarcophagus....
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curling said:
Well there are just so many things I find unbelievable. The flood (which has kind of disproven, maybe, maybe not, but their findings will be publicized next year. Studies done by Robert Ballard (Titanic guy). But each to thier own. No matter what you say or I say, it's not going to change how we feel. You're passionate about your religion and I respect that. Oh I wasn't always a non believer, it's been in the past few years I've come to believe in Science instead of God. Just so you don't think I haven't seen both sides of the debate.
foreigngirl said:
There was a hilarious anthropological fraud in England just before WWI called "Piltdown Man". It was later proven to be just a human skull mated to an orangutan jaw.
The theory then was that it was the development of the brain that caused man to diverge from the other apes, so some hoaxster created a "fossil" to reflect that - ape-like features with a large brain. Of course now we know that it was bipedal walking that first set us apart, and the brain slowly developed as we found uses for our hands now that we no longer needed them for locomotion.
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sublime35 said:
the flood happened. Remember when they said that the Black Sea used to be smaller? But that was not a whole wide world flood, just to the people that lived in that area it ment their whole world. I dont beleive that Noah could create that big of an ark and place all the animals on earth there. Thats ludicrous. Also, the flood story was borrowed from the babylonian epic Gilgamesh
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Mr. dB said:
yes, I've seen that. They were looking for the biggest brain scull as our ancestor which was wrong.
hidngod - I agree with you. I beleive in the same thing.
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sublime35 said:yep that's exactly what I mean. They showed some of Ballards trip on T.V. but they rest of his findings and stuff will be aired some time next year. I can't wait to see it!
I hardly wait. Did you watch History channel last night? That was some mind boggling shows that they aired
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curling, it is people like you that make it so easy to hate Christians and Christianity.
Thanks for making my life more difficult. How about you get a clue and STFU?
Insulting someone that believes in evolution or the Big Bang or whatever is no different...I repeat...NO DIFFERENT...than you being insulted for believing in God.
You suck. People like you suck. Arrogant, self-righteous Christians who spend their whole lives wagging that accusatory little finger at everyone else.
How about you turn that finger around and point it at yourself? You're not perfect, and until you are, DON'T JUDGE OTHERS.
Again, thank you for making it so easy for the general populace to hate Christians.
Thanks for making my life more difficult. How about you get a clue and STFU?
Insulting someone that believes in evolution or the Big Bang or whatever is no different...I repeat...NO DIFFERENT...than you being insulted for believing in God.
You suck. People like you suck. Arrogant, self-righteous Christians who spend their whole lives wagging that accusatory little finger at everyone else.
How about you turn that finger around and point it at yourself? You're not perfect, and until you are, DON'T JUDGE OTHERS.
Again, thank you for making it so easy for the general populace to hate Christians.
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curling said:
And if you're wrong then you've wasted the only life you'll ever have.
curling said:
This is complete BS and proves you have no idea what you are talking about. There was nothing written about Jesus until at LEAST 70 years after he supposedly died. His whole life story was copied from Osiris-Horus, Dionysius, and a few other pagan gods that were around long before Jesus supposedly was. Put those names in a search engine and find out for yourself
curling said:
Lets see, I don't agree with the rule that gay men should be put to death. I don't agree with the rule that denying the Holy Spirit means you go directly to hell with NO chance for forgiveness. I don't agree that murdering people and molesting children is only bad if you don't say you're sorry.
curling said:
It sounds stupid how? You obviously know nothing of the big bang theory other than "stuff exploded and here we are". How does a magical man in the sky that created everything out of love make any sense at all?
If he's omnipotent why did he have to rest on the 7th day? He shouldn't be able to get tired.
If he's omnipotent can he make a rock so heavy he can't even lift it? Either way proves he's not omnipotent.
If he's all knowing and has a master plan that must be followed then we can't have free will because he already knows what we're going to do. If he already knows what we're going to do then we don't really have a choice, do we? And if we actually do have a choice and he doesn't know it then he's not all knowing is he?
Your problem is the same problem all you bible thumpers have with evolution, you don't believe it because you don't want to believe it. Not because it doesn't make sense, which it completely does. You're happy in your own ignorant little world and you're not going to let silly little things like logic, facts, evidence, and common sense get in the way.
Oh yeah and you're statement that humans came from monkeys is completely untrue and evolution never claims it. If you're going to start a debate please have a clue on what you're talking about
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curling said:
That analogy is also stupid and a strawman. For that to be a good analogy someone would have to claim that the universe was exactly as it is now, then the big bang happened, and now we're back where we are. You are speaking with a child's understanding of the universe. You really need to learn what you're talking about.
You also need to get over the assumption that the way things are now are how they were meant to be. We are just 1 of endless possibilities that could have turned out.
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Every religion says they are the right religion, and everyone who believes in a different god is going to hell. Well, I guess when I go to hell, theres going to be about 6 billion other people there from my lifetime, so at least I'll have lots of company!
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Do you believe in God, Andrei?
No.
Neither do I. But that's a favorite question of mine. An upside-down question, you know.
What do you mean?
Well, if I asked people whether they believed in life, they'd never understand what I meant. It's a bad question. It can mean so much that it really means nothing. So I ask them if they believe in God. And if they say they do -- then, I know they don't believe in life.
Why?
Because, you see, God -- whatever anyone chooses to call God -- is one's highest conception of the highest possible. And whoever places his highest conception above his own possibility thinks very little of himself and his life. It's a rare gift, you know, to feel reverence for your own life and to want the best, the greatest, the highest possible, here, now, for your very own.
-- Ayn Rand, from We the Living ††
No.
Neither do I. But that's a favorite question of mine. An upside-down question, you know.
What do you mean?
Well, if I asked people whether they believed in life, they'd never understand what I meant. It's a bad question. It can mean so much that it really means nothing. So I ask them if they believe in God. And if they say they do -- then, I know they don't believe in life.
Why?
Because, you see, God -- whatever anyone chooses to call God -- is one's highest conception of the highest possible. And whoever places his highest conception above his own possibility thinks very little of himself and his life. It's a rare gift, you know, to feel reverence for your own life and to want the best, the greatest, the highest possible, here, now, for your very own.
-- Ayn Rand, from We the Living ††
JonPee said:
What I am saying is order never comes out of chaos. It takes a intelligence to build a watch. A watch is not going to put itself together just because you add millions of years especially since the humanbody is so complex with huge dna strands. And you think all this stuff we had could form out of a big bang please enlighten me. And btw you don't think it is odd that they can trace all dna back one female? Hmmm interesting.
Just because you can't figure out God with your little human brain doesn't mean He doesn't exist. When you die you can ask Him all those questions.
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curling said:
This is not true at all. An equal amount of order will almost never come out of an equal amount of chaos. However, with a vast amount of chaos a little order is going to happen. The earth and everyone that inhabits it is such a tiny fraction of what is out there that it's absurd to think it couldn't happen.
curling said:
If you really believe this is a good analogy then, honestly, you don't have a good enough understand of what you're talking about. This analogy is based on the assumption that the way things are is the way things were meant to be. That we have a purpose. There is absolutely no reason to believe humans were meant to exist, that the earth was meant to exist, that all these things you take for granted was MEANT to exist. This is just the way it ended up. This may not be a happy thought or what you want to hear, but to disbelieve in something just because you don't want to is ignorant.
curling said:
I'll agree that is interesting! Too bad it's not true.
curling said:
This is something I'll sort of agree with. I think it is a very likely possibility that our human brains can't comprehend some of the greater answers in life. This is far from proof of "your" God however. Is it possible there's a god? I believe so. However it's foolish to think it would be anything close to human in any sense of the word.
And I must ask you this, if your belief is against evolution, why is it specifically towards creation? Why not the Hindu, Ancient Greek, Norse, Egyption, etc. explanation for how the universe came to be? Figure out you don't believe in any of their gods and you'll understand why I don't believe in yours.
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sublime35 said:
yeah, do that. Those shows were about the birth of Christ, 2nd was about his life in between his birth and his showing at the river Jordan and the 3rd about Mary Magdalene. It was on National Geographic - Science of the Bible. Look for them when are they gonna air them again
Delinquent
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Ya know, I felt like just going off on you Curling but I'll be a little more civilized.
First things first:
Evolutionary theory does not, nor ever will claim that we came from apes.
Look at this picture
This shows that yes we might be related but only in the fact that we have a common decendant. This DOES NOT mean we came from apes. As you can see, apes like the chimp and gorilla create an entirely new branch on the evolutionary tree. This means that apes and humans are two TOTALLY separate species that yes have common genes but in no way indicates that we evolved from them.
Second, I'll just put a religious hypothesis out there for ya. In the bible it states, " in the beginning, god created light" This could be interpreted as the big bang. Unfortunately for bible thumpers like you who believe the bible to be literal and not metaphorical, you may not understand this part. From what my biology professor said, there are many stories in the old testament that could be construed as metaphore for how the universe and subsequently the Earth was created. I haven't investigated this myself so it's only second hand knowledge.
Is it hard to believe that maybe god created the universe by the big bang and just let it fly to see what happened? Once Earth was created, could it not be possible the this god also positioned the anaerobic bacteria knowing that the by product of these organisms is oxygen thus over millions of years oxygenating the earth? Once this oxygenation occurred, the bacteria evolved/mutated to becomes aerobic bacteria. This means they lived off of oxygen and not carbon dioxide, methane, and the other gases that were present in the beginning of earth's life.
There are actually a lot more religious scientists than you think. It's just that in science, religion has no place. There is a thing called the Scientific Method which is based on observable phenomenon. Phenomenon is something that can be observed or seen. Something as subjective and opinionated as religion just doesn't have a place in it. This doesn't mean that they flatly reject the idea that a supreme being could have something to do with it in their own personal beliefs.
To put it simply, if something can't be proven using the scientific method, it can't be considered in the relam of possibilities in science.
First things first:
Evolutionary theory does not, nor ever will claim that we came from apes.
Look at this picture
This shows that yes we might be related but only in the fact that we have a common decendant. This DOES NOT mean we came from apes. As you can see, apes like the chimp and gorilla create an entirely new branch on the evolutionary tree. This means that apes and humans are two TOTALLY separate species that yes have common genes but in no way indicates that we evolved from them.
Second, I'll just put a religious hypothesis out there for ya. In the bible it states, " in the beginning, god created light" This could be interpreted as the big bang. Unfortunately for bible thumpers like you who believe the bible to be literal and not metaphorical, you may not understand this part. From what my biology professor said, there are many stories in the old testament that could be construed as metaphore for how the universe and subsequently the Earth was created. I haven't investigated this myself so it's only second hand knowledge.
Is it hard to believe that maybe god created the universe by the big bang and just let it fly to see what happened? Once Earth was created, could it not be possible the this god also positioned the anaerobic bacteria knowing that the by product of these organisms is oxygen thus over millions of years oxygenating the earth? Once this oxygenation occurred, the bacteria evolved/mutated to becomes aerobic bacteria. This means they lived off of oxygen and not carbon dioxide, methane, and the other gases that were present in the beginning of earth's life.
There are actually a lot more religious scientists than you think. It's just that in science, religion has no place. There is a thing called the Scientific Method which is based on observable phenomenon. Phenomenon is something that can be observed or seen. Something as subjective and opinionated as religion just doesn't have a place in it. This doesn't mean that they flatly reject the idea that a supreme being could have something to do with it in their own personal beliefs.
To put it simply, if something can't be proven using the scientific method, it can't be considered in the relam of possibilities in science.
Delinquent said:
I think the word you're looking for is "common ancestor". WE are the descendants.
And yes, we DID come from apes. We didn't come from the apes we see today, Chimps, Gorillas, and Orangutans, but our ancestors were apes. For the most part we still are apes.
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Mr. dB said:
yea I meant ancestor lol
And no we did not come from apes. Even though we had a common ancestor that ancestor has yet to be determined. Once primates emerged, they weren't considered apes until the specific ape species ocurred ie: gorillas, chimps, gibbons, etc. Our branch continued in a totally separate direction from that of the apes.
I have to look up the specifics, but human DNA can be traced back to one specific female, & one specific male. They're not saying they were the only male & female alive at the time. I believe the two in question actually lived 12,000 yrs apart, and on different continents.curling said:
All that means, is that all the humans alive today shared one common ancestor. When you think of it, of all the matings and rapes going on over the last 80,000 yrs, it kind of seems likely, doesn't it?
Here's a wrench into your theory. There is recent speculation that, although we are all human, some of us, in different regions of the world, are the result of interspecies mating.
Read Clan of the Cave Bear. It's fiction based on fact, & it makes you think.
Delinquent said:
Not quite.
We are on the same branch as the chimps, which split off from the ape line AFTER the split between chimps and gorillas. That is, chimps are closer to us than they are to gorillas. Our ancestors were apes with a modified pelvis and feet to allow for bipedal locomotion. We are bald apes with bipedality and big brains.
Lucy's species, Australopithecus Afarensis -- "australopithecus" means "eastern ape" -- looks a lot like a sort of primative chimp with an almost-human pelvis and foot. There are other characteristics that tend toward the human side, such as her dentition. But she's still mostly an ape.
javaguru
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Well, the fact of the matter is that the creationists like to portray a scenario where humans are directly descended from chimps; That is completely innaccurate and nothing but creationist propaganda, there are plenty of other things to argue about. The "spark" of life is one, but we will continue to gather understanding and evidence until we eventually reach a generally accepted theory.
JavaGuru said:
That's the position that inevitably leads to the silly question "if men are evolved from chimps, why aren't chimps still evolving into humans?"
The truth of the matter is that men and chimps are both evolving from a common ancestor. Chimps are evolving into chimps and humans are evolving into humans.
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I concur...we took different routes. Let's just not let the creationist's fragment us to their own advantage; Ignorance over reason.Mr. dB said:That's the position that inevitably leads to the silly question "if men are evolved from chimps, why aren't chimps still evolving into humans?"
The truth of the matter is that men and chimps are both evolving from a common ancestor. Chimps are evolving into chimps and humans are evolving into humans.
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I'm not going to get into this arguement again, as the ignorance/misinformation on both sides is too rampant...Mr. dB said:
But, regarding the above quote:
This is way too common of a misconception, and is simply not true. They look like gills because of the folds in the skin of the developing embryo, but do not have gill slits, nor do they function in any way as gills...
The Branchial or Visceral Arches and Pharyngeal Pouches.-In the lateral walls of the anterior part of the fore-gut five pharyngeal pouches appear (Fig. 42); each of the upper four pouches is prolonged into a dorsal and a ventral diverticulum. Over these pouches corresponding indentations of the ectoderm occur, forming what are known as the branchial or outer pharyngeal grooves. The intervening mesoderm is pressed aside and the ectoderm comes for a time into contact with the entodermal lining of the fore-gut, and the two layers unite along the floors of the grooves to form thin closing membranes between the fore-gut and the exterior. Later the mesoderm again penetrates between the entoderm and the ectoderm. In gill-bearing animals the closing membranes disappear, and the grooves become complete clefts, the gill-clefts, opening from the pharynx on to the exterior; perforation, however, does not occur in birds or mammals. The grooves separate a series of rounded bars or arches, the branchial or visceral arches, in which thickening of the mesoderm takes place (Figs. 40 and 41). The dorsal ends of these arches are attached to the sides of the head, while the ventral extremities ultimately meet in the middle line of the neck. In all, six arches make their appearance, but of these only the first four are visible externally. The first arch is named the mandibular, and the second the hyoid; the others have no distinctive names. In each arch a cartilaginous bar, consisting of right and left halves, is developed, and with each of these there is one of the primitive aortic arches.
Taken from Gray's Anatomy.
http://www.bartleby.com/107/13.html
branchial arches
paired arched columns that bear the gills in lower aquatic vertebrates and that, in the embryos of higher vertebrates, appear in comparable form before subsequent modification into structures of the head and neck. In humans they are usually called pharyngeal arches because gills do not develop. Each contains a cartilaginous bar, consisting of right and left halves. The first arch (mandibular a.) differentiates into the sphenomandibular and anterior malleolar ligaments, malleus, and incus; the second (hyoid a.) into the stapes, styloid process, stylohyoid ligament, lesser horn of the hyoid bone, and cranial part of the hyoid body; the third into the greater horn of the hyoid bone and the caudal part of its body; and the fourth and sixth into the laryngeal cartilages. In the human embryo, the sixth arch is actually the fifth in number but is so named for reasons of comparative anatomy and evolution; it does not appear on the surface. Called also visceral arches.
Taken from Dorland's Medical Dictionary.
https://www.mercksource.org
Also... while I find it amusing, I might suggest not referencing "Human Evolution Coloring Book" as a credible source.
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curling said:
If you accept intelligent design, you also have to accept all the horrors and evils of the world as also being created by god. If god created everything, then he is responsible for hunger and diseases, tornados and hurricanes that wipe out thousands of people. Sounds real intelligent to me.
beefcake28 said:Also... while I find it amusing, I might suggest not referencing "Human Evolution Coloring Book" as a credible source.
I thought it was a nice touch, myself. Especially considering this is Curling's thread...
It was also the first good hit I found on a google search when I was looking for that comparative ontogeny chart.
Reading curling's posts makes me physically upset.
Obviously hes wrong on pretty much all counts. Everyone sees it and tries desperately to open his eyes, yet he is content living in a fantasy world.
Hes like the white, ultra-radical christian version of gjohnson.
Obviously hes wrong on pretty much all counts. Everyone sees it and tries desperately to open his eyes, yet he is content living in a fantasy world.
Hes like the white, ultra-radical christian version of gjohnson.
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lol silly curling getting bitch slapped
c00per
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curling said:
As long as your devine entity could explain how the kiwi bird got all the way from Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat, in Turkey, to New Zealand despite the fact that it can't fly or swim then it's cool with me.
My money is on the hairy monkey though. 1:5 odds in the Bookie Forum.
javaguru
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c00per said:
http://objectiveministries.org/kidz/
All your answers are on the sight. After the flood, Pangea was formed connecting all the continents and God's will directed all the animals to their proper place. Now mind you, the world is only 10k years old and the flood happened like 4,000 years ago according to this site, if memeory serves. Exactly how fast would the continents have to seperate after all the animals reached their respective places? BTW, fossils are the remains of the wicked men and animals who died in the flood.
This stuff is SOOOO rich I won't even make a comment.
With the continents moving that fast, you'd get windburn standing on the front coast.JavaGuru said:http://objectiveministries.org/kidz/
All your answers are on the sight. After the flood, Pangea was formed connecting all the continents and God's will directed all the animals to their proper place. Now mind you, the world is only 10k years old and the flood happened like 4,000 years ago according to this site, if memeory serves. Exactly how fast would the continents have to seperate after all the animals reached their respective places? BTW, fossils are the remains of the wicked men and animals who died in the flood.
This stuff is SOOOO rich I won't even make a comment.
c00per
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JavaGuru said:BTW, fossils are the remains of the wicked men and animals who died in the flood.
I don't know about that. Some of those kiwis look kinda wicked.
And yet, not a single fossilised kiwi has ever been found outside of New Zealand.
This has me thinking of that Simpsons episode when Lisa opens the door to the penguin house and all the penguins are flying around. Maybe the kiwis are the same. Just a bit shy.
beefcake28
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Coming from a Christian, that website is ignorance at it's best.... err, worst... whatever.JavaGuru said:http://objectiveministries.org/kidz/
All your answers are on the sight. After the flood, Pangea was formed connecting all the continents and God's will directed all the animals to their proper place. Now mind you, the world is only 10k years old and the flood happened like 4,000 years ago according to this site, if memeory serves. Exactly how fast would the continents have to seperate after all the animals reached their respective places? BTW, fossils are the remains of the wicked men and animals who died in the flood.
This stuff is SOOOO rich I won't even make a comment.
javaguru
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The "Biible" has to be taken with a grain of salt, most people read it literally and outside of historical context, which leads to false conclusions. For example, it's widely thought by scholars the book of revelations was not meant to be prophetic but was a warning to Christians of the day who the writer felt were being seduced by "worldly pleasures." It's interesting to note, the book of revelations contains numerous gramatical and spelling errors as well as being written in a "course" style. You also have the Apochrypha, someone had to pick and choose what was in the bible and these were books of the same style and age as accepted canon but were excluded by opinion. Then you have the Dead Sea Scrolls, which consists of 800 texts written before 100 AD and not discovered until the late 1940's;Much of its contents are new text. Most Christians don't realize the biblical texts (New Testament) were written down well after Jesus was crucified. Most Christians also don't realize their religion is derivative of the first monotheistic religion, Babylonian Zorastrianism, which is still practiced by about 200,000 followers to this day in Turkey. It's sad I know more about Christianity and its history than the majority of devout followers but that's probably why they're devout followers and I'm not.JonPee said:
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foreigngirl
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Mr. dB said:Are we really so different?
awww, thats so cute
curling said:
That's not a chimp, it's a monkey.
And it's certainly a lot more similar to a human than it is to its pet doggie. Is that a paw on the end of its forelimb, or a hand? And it's HUGGING the puppy, there aren't very many kinds of mammals that are even capable of hugging. Except for primates.
mountain muscle
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Mr. dB said:Are we really so different?
Si, Senor DB, we are:
The monkey knows there is no invisible man in the sky.
foreigngirl
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mountain muscle said:
lol....
foreigngirl
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Mr. dB said:
tinypic.com doent screw up anything
Island Son
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curling said:
Sounds like ego.
By your doctrine, pride is a sin.
Razorguns
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curling said:
Who knows? No one. I believe i was created by jedi knights.
People worry more about another higher beign,t han their own being. Whoever made u did it so uc an enjoy yoruself here. You're slapping that person and saying "you wasted your time" if you do nothihg for yourself except born, shit and die.
javaguru
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He's right, he has a more striking resemblance to an orangutang(with highlights); http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orangutang Notice, orangutang's are known to favor loud pipes.
JonPee
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curling said:
I wasn't aware it was up to the person to "choose" how their life came to exist. Silly me. But if it was our "choice", why would you choose being a servant to an insecure emotional god who needs you to tell him how great he is and how much you love him all the time? Doesn't sound like a god, sounds like a girlfriend.
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Razorguns
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JonPee said:
no shit. God doesn't act us dick. He can come and ask us if he wants. People do it cuz they need validation that their life has meaning and purpose-- instead of doing dick all in life.
Look at muslims. The average ME muslim has a shitty useless life, which is why suicide ain't such a bad option.
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Everything is true, its all real and happened, just not in your particular reality.
Infinite realities, infinite outcomes, every possibility spins off every infinite possible shift. It spins crazy circles round and round into a fractal belly in a great unifying conundrum
Infinite realities, infinite outcomes, every possibility spins off every infinite possible shift. It spins crazy circles round and round into a fractal belly in a great unifying conundrum
