You can still buy "ciggarettes," and alcohol,but"creatine" could be illegal in future

[collegiateLifter]

Re: You can still buy "ciggarettes," and alcohol,but"creatine" could be illegal in fu

No shit. That's what I said. R-E-A-D the shit you quote next time.

you are so dumb that I don't think you can be helped.

you suffer from myopia

half a clue suffers from myopia and false dilemna syndrome.

Prohibitive measures may not affect your personal acces to drugs, but driving them under ground does reduce supply and thus reduce total qty demanded at an aggregate level for that drug.

 

[Atomic Punk]

Re: You can still buy "ciggarettes," and alcohol,but"creatine" could be illegal in fu

you are so dumb that I don't think you can be helped.

you suffer from myopia

half a clue suffers from myopia and false dilemna syndrome.

Prohibitive measures may not affect your personal acces to drugs, but driving them under ground does reduce supply and thus reduce total qty demanded at an aggregate level for that drug.

Let's see...He said Myopia twice. Then false dilemna syndrome..........at.50 per word, I guess someone owes you $2.50 bro--CONGRADUFUCKINGLATIONS! Go buy yourself a Dictionary so you can find out what they all mean.

When Steroids went UG, the supply only shifted. It absolutely DID NOT become reduced, at least in the long run. Instead of people getting them through their American Doctor(like they did back in the day), they now get Mexican, European, & Asian Steroids, from whatever Source.

 

[collegiateLifter]

Re: You can still buy "ciggarettes," and alcohol,but"creatine" could be illegal in fu

Let's see...He said Myopia twice. Then false dilemna syndrome..........at.50 per word, I guess someone owes you $2.50 bro--CONGRADUFUCKINGLATIONS! Go buy yourself a Dictionary so you can find out what they all mean.

When Steroids went UG, the supply only shifted. It absolutely DID NOT become reduced, at least in the long run. Instead of people getting them through their American Doctor(like they did back in the day), they now get Mexican, European, & Asian Steroids, from whatever Source.

hahaha if you say so.

you can manipulate statsitics all you want to get your desired conclusions. lol.

 

[Atomic Punk]

Re: You can still buy "ciggarettes," and alcohol,but"creatine" could be illegal in fu

hahaha if you say so.

you can manipulate statsitics all you want to get your desired conclusions. lol.

WHAT fucking statistics MORON? Did you see any stats posted? I'm stating facts here. God DAMN, it's like working with a friggin CHIMP!!!

 

[collegiateLifter]

Re: You can still buy "ciggarettes," and alcohol,but"creatine" could be illegal in fu

WHAT fucking statistics MORON? Did you see any stats posted? I'm stating facts here. God DAMN, it's like working with a friggin CHIMP!!!

you just can't see the bigger picture.

yes supply outlets changed. But in economic terms it is reduced on many levels. The very virtue of one having to be in a "scene" indicates somewhat restricted access. In the past, any male of age could walk into his docs office and get a scrip for a cycle. Those days are long gone. The people that still really want to juice will do it. But in an aggregate sense, there are people no longer juicing because of restricted access. These would be people who want to juice "kind of" but aren't that serrious about it. A significant amount of these people would just go and use PHs or something else altogether now. This isn't to mention the fact that crackdowns and big busts do tend to ultimately affect prices which shows an effect on reducing supply. Furthermore, whether you want to attribute it to demand side or supply, a significant amount of people will not juice due to steroids being illegal-- not only specifically because of the illegal stigma but due to not being able to access clean juice, etc.. The net result is a less qty demanded; and policy makers know that. Perhaps you argue that people juice because it is illegal-- the forbidden fruit idea-- but that would be a very weak argument, not empirically supported imo.

The argument was initially put in place saying that making ephedra illegal will do nothing to people that want to use it, and this somewhat comparable steroid situation was drawn up. Again, people that are hardcore and want their ephedrine will get it. But joe consumer will no longer see Xenadrine commercials and see ephedrine in GNC and as such will just move on to other fat loss things. There will be a significant less amount of ephedrine being demanded (all else being equal). And from a "public health' stand point, this is what policy makers want. Is it very effective-- no. Is it effective to a degree-- yes. Do I support it--- no, but that does not change the economic effects of the decision.

 

[BOOEY]

I think you have to take into account that the bodybuilding world has blown up, and the demand for steroids is increasing each year. Coupled with the fact everyone and their dog is on the Internet and all you need is a keyboard, a mouse, and half a brain to find a source, you can't argue that demand has dropped due to illegality.

 

[collegiateLifter]

Re: You can still buy "ciggarettes," and alcohol,but"creatine" could be illegal in fu

I think you have to take into account that the bodybuilding world has blown up, and the demand for steroids is increasing each year. Coupled with the fact everyone and their dog is on the Internet and all you need is a keyboard, a mouse, and half a brain to find a source, you can't argue that demand has dropped due to illegality.

but this is the very missuse of statistics that I was warning about.


The question is not whether more people juice now than in the 70's.... to draw a conclusion about prohibitive measures from that would be a meaningless conclusion because one attempts to hold all else being equal when it is not.

The point is even now, if you made juice legal and thus easier to acceess, there would be more qty demanded. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

[Atomic Punk]

Re: You can still buy "ciggarettes," and alcohol,but"creatine" could be illegal in fu

but this is the very missuse of statistics that I was warning about.


The question is not whether more people juice now than in the 70's.... to draw a conclusion about prohibitive measures from that would be a meaningless conclusion because one attempts to hold all else being equal when it is not.

I swear, you just run words together, and hope they add up in the end. Change your name to communitycollegelifter immediately.

 

[Lalo]

........cause we all know that if they got money in their pockets from it you could go buy Decca at Wal-Mart)

not to hijack the thread, but gear is available at Walmart (in mexico) clic here

 

[Atomic Punk]

Re: You can still buy "ciggarettes," and alcohol,but"creatine" could be illegal in fu

you just can't see the bigger picture.

yes supply outlets changed. But in economic terms it is reduced on many levels. The very virtue of one having to be in a "scene" indicates somewhat restricted access. In the past, any male of age could walk into his docs office and get a scrip for a cycle. Those days are long gone. The people that still really want to juice will do it. But in an aggregate sense, there are people no longer juicing because of restricted access. These would be people who want to juice "kind of" but aren't that serrious about it. A significant amount of these people would just go and use PHs or something else altogether now. This isn't to mention the fact that crackdowns and big busts do tend to ultimately affect prices which shows an effect on reducing supply. Furthermore, whether you want to attribute it to demand side or supply, a significant amount of people will not juice due to steroids being illegal-- not only specifically because of the illegal stigma but due to not being able to access clean juice, etc.. The net result is a less qty demanded; and policy makers know that. Perhaps you argue that people juice because it is illegal-- the forbidden fruit idea-- but that would be a very weak argument, not empirically supported imo.

The argument was initially put in place saying that making ephedra illegal will do nothing to people that want to use it, and this somewhat comparable steroid situation was drawn up. Again, people that are hardcore and want their ephedrine will get it. But joe consumer will no longer see Xenadrine commercials and see ephedrine in GNC and as such will just move on to other fat loss things. There will be a significant less amount of ephedrine being demanded (all else being equal). And from a "public health' stand point, this is what policy makers want. Is it very effective-- no. Is it effective to a degree-- yes. Do I support it--- no, but that does not change the economic effects of the decision.

I'll do everyone a favor, and sum this up in 4 words...I DIDN'T READ IT