You all say Test is the Best...Why?

[JibbyJabba]

Alright, before I came to this board, I made a certain "pharmaceutical ranking system" my guide as to which AS I wanted to do. You see, I am big on gains being permenant - this chart ranked all test esthers relatively low in the respect of "ability to keep gains." So, I pretty much figured I would never do anything but Primo, Winny, Deca, Growth, Anavar, etc... However, I've done my EF homework and everyone on here likes Test a fucking whole lot. I always assumed that this was because it is typically the first AS a lifetime juicer does (easy gym availability) and he grows fond of it by virtue of this. But, after further refelction, I realize that this theory is pretty weak... So tell me, is Test the best for someone like me? I do not want to be on juice very much, but I DO want to keep the gains I get on them. I know anavar would be best for this, but I am pretty broke... So, what you you all think about the permenancy of a fairly low-dose cycle of Test with Arimidex/Liquidex and clomid afterwards? Quality gains for life? Or, quality gains just until I cycle again? Basically, I understand why Test is awesome for you huge fuckers out there competing...but, what about someone for me? I just want to add some size and keep it...what do you think?

 

[JibbyJabba]

Nobody...

C'mon... with all the Pro-test sentiment on this board, no one has an opinion??!!??

 

[lonewulf]

test gives big results you can see
it increases sex drive
gives you a sense of well being
is what your body produces naturally

These are a few, most people lose all their gains because they only train and eat right while on a cycle. With post cycle therapy, and a desire to train and eat even while clean, this allows you to keep gains, and much bigger gains than anavar or primo can give. Do a search on test, and you will see reasons why others like it so much.

 

[macDbol]

i used to think the same thing,,,like whats the point if your gonna loose alot of your gains?,but ,you'll like it when u start useing it

 

[johnboy]

test is best.....well maybe runner up to fina

but if it is runner up then its right on fina's ass. Test gives good results and you can keep most of your gains if you taper off and use comid afterwards.

 

[Golfer18--old]

Fina is best, no doubt.

 

[macDbol]

fina/test love em both,,especially together

 

[mishon1]

test is the king of the road, thats what i always read. never really see much about fina like i do test

 

[mattcanning99]

creatine / glutamine stack is my personal fav. i usually mix a teaspoon of each in my post workout shake. im on my first cycle of the year right now in fact.

 

[Charles Ray]

because it turns you into an animal....in the bed and in the gym...it's like if it automatically gives you game...it's like u say shit to girls that u would've never said before and it works. Or maybe it's just my supplier who adds a little something something in my test. for real though.....it makes u feel like a million bucks

 

[HighIntensity]

tren is better...

 

[JC Grifter]

TEST is BEST becuase it ryhmes

 

[The_Eviscerator]

I will be the odd ball here. Test sucks! It bloats you, causes acne and decimates the prostate. I stick to Deca, Primo, EQ, Winstrol and Tren. Every once in a while I will throw a half of a sustanon in just to get a little test.

The two times I did heavy test cycles it was a bloated, zit infested nightmare.

But Hey,... Everyone is different, so if test works for you go for it.

 

[Daeo]

I love test. It's what makes a man a man. I really don't understand how one can believe that your gains from test are less permanent then any other anabolic. The reason people may think this is because of the water retention that comes along with test which one believes is muscle. Primo, deca, winny, tren, etc..will produce smaller weight increases, but less lost afterwards. This has alot to do with the amount of water retention these agents cause. Once ANY steroid cycle is ceased you WILL see a decrease in weight no matter what you use. You're not in as an anabolic state as you were on so how could you think that any drug over another would allow you to hold onto more of your gains???

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

If you use armidex with test you will keep most of the gains. this concept that you lose all test gains is because people were counting the water bloat and fat gain from elevated estro as "gains."

test and tren stack well...each is good but together they are better.

 

[mt]

But wasn't the whole idea of steroids like Deca, Primo, D-bol, etc, to minimize the androgenic properties of test (the secondary sex characteristics) and maximize the anabolic properties (muscle building)? Back in the day when doctors use to be able to administer steroids I asked about testosterone. I was told that there was more sides and less benefits. If test was so great there would not have been the need to develop anabolic steroids.

Of course, in the real world that apparently isn't the case since test is more widely used and in greater quantities than ever before. This despite the advent of exotic and presumably more potent anabolic compounds.

 

[Beezers]

But wasn't the whole idea of steroids like Deca, Primo, D-bol, etc, to minimize the androgenic properties of test (the secondary sex characteristics) and maximize the anabolic properties (muscle building)? Back in the day when doctors use to be able to administer steroids I asked about testosterone. I was told that there was more sides and less benefits. If test was so great there would not have been the need to develop anabolic steroids.

Of course, in the real world that apparently isn't the case since test is more widely used and in greater quantities than ever before. This despite the advent of exotic and presumably more potent anabolic compounds.

You have to keep in mind that these drugs were'nt designed for atheletes or bodybuilders. You are correct that drugs like nandrolone, methenelone, oxandrolone, and stanazolol were designed to be all anabolic no androgenic, though in the end they all had some androgenic properties. They were developed for medical care. For patients in need of an anobolic agent to maintain or gain muscle mass for health reasons...not to win a show at 260 pounds. The more "anabolic" compounds just don't add muscle mass in the quanities that test does in the time frame that it does. The androgenic qualities of it have a good deal to do with this. All AS are off-shoots of testosterone. They are all derived from the master hormone testosterone. 10 pounds of muscle gained is 10 pounds of muscle gained be it from test or winny or deca so a gains keepability scale is nonesense. If you gain 20 pounds of muscle over you genetic limits you're going to loose it in time regardless of what anabolic steroid got you those 20 pounds.

 

[panerai]

I will be the odd ball here. Test sucks! It bloats you, causes acne and decimates the prostate. I stick to Deca, Primo, EQ, Winstrol and Tren. Every once in a while I will throw a half of a sustanon in just to get a little test.

The two times I did heavy test cycles it was a bloated, zit infested nightmare.

But Hey,... Everyone is different, so if test works for you go for it.

Did you use anything, to prevent side effects?
I'm using 2100mg/week of Test right now, and don't have any side effects, besides pain in elbows and wrists, tendons can't catch up with muscles.
But, I'm using Arimidex, Clomid, Finasteride, Saw Palmetto, Xandrox, Nizoral shampoo, B5, take shower more often, using anti-bacterial soup, getting tan twice a week.
IMO, Test is better then Tren. I used both, alone and stacked, and I get better gains with higher doses of Test, and I don't want to use higher doses of Tren, lol
For cutting, yes, Tren works better for me, because my appetite, usually hard to control while on Test, and is normal while on Tren.
But, even on high doses of Test, if bulking is done right (aromatise inhibitors, strict diet, termogenics, cardio, etc..) I don't get fat. "Done right" applies only for me, because, obviously it's a matter of opinion and approach, and I just expressing solely mine.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

panerai,
I understand what you are saying, and yes I did use nolvadex and clomid, but hairloss isn't an issue with me so I did not use Proscar or propecia. Also, I don't care how much I wash with fancy soaps, on test I get zits. I tried it 3 times and all three times were a nightmare.

I have no aspirations of being a 300 pound Gorilla, but a lean 230 pound Gorilla is good enough for me.

 

[mt]

Beezer, you make a good point. But I've just never been clear on androgenic and anabolic properties. I've always understood that the androgenic properties have to do with secondary sexual characteristics, e.g., hair, voice, sexual function; whereas, the anabolic properties has to do with tissue building which is what we are more concerned with. In theory the perfect anabolic compound would achieve a complete disassociation of any androgenic properties which would pretty much eliminate side effects since most of the side effects of steroids come from the androgenic properties.

Still, in the real world, nobody got huge using just Primo and anavar and I always include a good amount of test in any cycle.

 

[JibbyJabba]

alright...

good comments, but what do you think about Test (along with ALL appropriate drugs like Arimidex, clomid, etc.) for someone who is not competing... OK, how about this... If you were the smallest you've been in a while, but could only do ONE more cycle for the rest of your life, what would you do? You want to be just a bit larger and keep it for the rest of your life, so the permenancy of gains here is of the most importance (we'll assume good training/diet forever thereafter)... Is test in this cycle? Or is it something like a Primo/Anavar?

 

[JibbyJabba]

In theory the perfect anabolic compound would achieve a complete disassociation of any androgenic properties which would pretty much eliminate side effects since most of the side effects of steroids come from the androgenic properties.

I don't know about a COMPLETE disassociation... I mean, the aggression is probably nice in the weight room and the increased libido is nice in the bed room... but I know what you're saying.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

On a related note: proscar also helps the prostate not just hair.

I am well aware of that. Unfortunately it takes 5mg a day to protect the prostate and usually it eliminates your sex drive... no thanks.

 

[panerai]

panerai,
I understand what you are saying, and yes I did use nolvadex and clomid, but hairloss isn't an issue with me so I did not use Proscar or propecia. Also, I don't care how much I wash with fancy soaps, on test I get zits. I tried it 3 times and all three times were a nightmare.

I have no aspirations of being a 300 pound Gorilla, but a lean 230 pound Gorilla is good enough for me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not critisizing you, we all pick things that works for us, individually, according to our genetics, goals, etc..
Just want to explain in more details about Test and prevention.
-bloating...obviously caused by aromatisation..so, even, if you used Clomid and Nolvadex, it seems, that you didn't use enough to prevent that particular side effect.
Currently, I'm using .3ml of Liquidex(1.2mg of Arimidex) and 50mg of Clomid, daily...that's just barely enough, but works.
-acne...no fancy soups, cheap shit, but dries the skin and leave it clean, B5..for most people dose of 3-5g/day eliminate acne, some don't responde to it(rare)..accutane will work, tanning is great not only for the skin, but for your overall appearence
-and, as sk* already pointed out, Finasteride and Saw Palmetto works as well for prostate, as for hair
And, I'm not looking to be 300lb neither, I'm 225 right now, and very happy with the way I look. But, it took good amount of Test to get me to this point.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Paneria,
I did not take offense to your comments, it just seems ridiculous to have to use so many additional drugs to counteract the bad effects of Test.

That is why I prefer the Anabolic compounds.

 

[MaxBiceps]

I agree w/ my bud evisc. Test gives me that nasty, pimply, moon face look that I absolutely HATE. From now on I'm sticking to pure anabolics with low-dose test (200-500mgs) for maintenance. Pure anabolics give me the lean, muscular look I want. Evisc said it best....

"I have no aspirations of being a 300 pound Gorilla, but a lean 230 pound Gorilla is good enough for me"

Ditto to that!!