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Yohimburn Df on the face, YIKES! Good stuff.

I have been doing 4-5 pumps on face and neck, twice a day.

It feels like I am just a mg or two short of actually bursting into flames.

Macro or Ulter: what words of wisdom do you have on the yohimbine related water retention... on the Yohimburn site it states that max benefit will not be seen until a week or more after discontinuing use.... is that right?
 
ChefWide said:


Macro or Ulter: what words of wisdom do you have on the yohimbine related water retention... on the Yohimburn site it states that max benefit will not be seen until a week or more after discontinuing use.... is that right?
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that goes more for the original. with the DF it varies many people get no water at all when taking DF, others get some it just comes off faster than with original- there are rare individuals that get semi long water retention even with DF though they are few and far between
 
meant to ask you this before macro.....
have you heard feedback about people using it on their upper chest/front delt connection? I got down to about 9% bf and still had fat just chilling there and my delts looked like shit.

figured i'd give it a whirl during my spring cutting cycle
 
calveless wonder said:
meant to ask you this before macro.....
have you heard feedback about people using it on their upper chest/front delt connection? I got down to about 9% bf and still had fat just chilling there and my delts looked like shit.

figured i'd give it a whirl during my spring cutting cycle
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not much feedback on that particular area, but if its stubborn and in that region- best guess-- it will be effective.
 
ok...on my way to gettin this miracle potion. cuttin gel was nothing short of the worlds greatest hoax...1 bottle with meager results. i've heard nothing but the good on yohim. so here goes nothin. any advice for the 1st time?

more water in take?

add more stationary biking?
-right now i ride 45mins run 2 miles; M-W-F. with a ab routine in the Mix.
 
if you are looking for overall fat loss- thermorexin
if you are looking for localized fat loss- yohimburn

obviously using both would be better

be sure to use the
afdiscount
discount code
 
k, question. new member here so excuse my ignorance. i've been reading this thread on the yohimburn. i've noticed mainly the people using it or that are thinking of using it are currently cycling, have just come off a cycle or have questions as to how it will work with a cycle.

My question is how well does it work for the natural bodybuilder, is there any difference as far as results go?
 
AT, It works just as well off AS as on it. But you're on the Anabolic Board so naturally most people on the thread are on or coming off cycles.

JD, Yes, the high concentration of l-menthol in Japanese Peppermint Oil makes it a great penetration enhancer. If you took an MRI of the area you put the Yohimburn on, within about 20 minutes you'd see it deep into your fat tissue as it drops the temperature of the tissue. The temp change is a side effect and not actually a mechanism of fat removal, just want to make that clear.
 
I see the reviews, I just ordered my first bottle. Well see how it goes.
 
Don't know how I didn't notice this thread or this product before but this is EXACTLY what I've been looking for for the longest time. I just ordered it today from the AF store. Will start using it on my face as soon as it comes and give an update/opinion after a few weeks.
 
eviction said:
macro, u are a AF store product thread bumpin' machine! :P
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GrowthHor said:
Don't know how I didn't notice this thread or this product before but this is EXACTLY what I've been looking for for the longest time. I just ordered it today from the AF store. Will start using it on my face as soon as it comes and give an update/opinion after a few weeks.
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:)

thats why....

:elephant:
 
yohimburn DF sounds awesome! i will definitly give it a try.


slight OT, but here goes..... i beleive I have higher estro levels (never done a cycle or ph etc) than normal, and i tend to store fat in "womanly" areas such as hips and chest mainly. I am planning to use proviron and novla (anti-e's) to harden up and to "release" the estrogenic fat deposits, is this a good idea? does anyone know how i should run these two drugs?

i have heard many people using nolva for estro related fat loss, and no matter what I try I cannot get rid of the estrogen related fat i have, so i have been advised to give proviron + nolvadex a try. anyone know how i should use these 2? would they be effective?

i read someone mentioning yohimburn DF isgood for estro fat deposits (from a cycle) so that is why i am asking this here

thanks.
 
better off using just proviron and/or an aromatase inhibitor (serms like nolva tend to act like estrogen in some tissues and fat, at least from some studies, seems to be one of them)

yohimburn DF with a low dose of aromatase inhibitor(with added winny and var drop this as they will naturally suppress estrogen levels- by suppressing test) as well as proviron and perhaps something like winny or anavar would be solid choices in your case (if you want gear as well
 
thanks macro, however i am not sure of nolva acting as an estrogen in fat tissues.... i have read studies that nolva releases fat into the bloodstream (so it can be burnt, especially estrogenic fat).

also would 25mg eod of proviron be good to run?

i want to stay natural for this cutting phase so i dont think i will be using var or winny or any other nonaromatisable at the mo.


i was thinking of using creatine during the cut, but since i will be taking the nolva and proviron to reduce bloat (in addition to hardness and fat release) as creatine causes "bloat" doesn't it. i don't know if i could use a creatine that doesnt cause bloat as i think all creatine does....

thanks for any input bros! :)
 
Powerhouse_10 said:


also would 25mg eod of proviron be good to run?

i want to stay natural for this cutting phase so i dont think i will be using var or winny or any other nonaromatisable at the mo.
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25mg ED

but proviron is a steroid, so using it kind of negates the "natural" thing.
 
i totally agree with you bro, but since its not an "anabolic" (doesn't causes an increase in muscle size or strength...or does it? i am not sure about that yet...) then i am still considering my cut "natural" per se.

i am not sure, but i was thinking of doing alternate days, 25mg of proviron one day, then next day 20mg nolva and so on, as I have read that proviron CAN be suppressive (since its an androgen, but yet again i am still unsure of this..). also i feel this way that estrogen levels won't be "excessively lowered" as some estrogen is needed in the body of course, and that the effects of the 2 won't "compete" with each other.

any input on the above ideas, i would definitly appreciate.

p.s. could i expect a rise in natural testosterone levels, since proviron is an anti-aromatase, and nolva is used in PCT to raise natural test levels.....
 
well lets get this nolva issue out of the way first...

Appl Radiat Isot. 1998 May-Jun;49(5-6):643-5. Related Articles, Links


Body composition measurements using DXA and other techniques in tamoxifen-treated patients.

Ali PA, al-Ghorabie FH, Evans CJ, el-Sharkawi AM, Hancock DA.

Department of Medical Physics and Radiotherapy, Singleton Hospital, Swansea, U.K.

Tamoxifen is an anti-oestrogenic drug which is widely used in the treatment of patients with breast cancer. There is increasing interest in using the drug both for benign breast disease and as a chemo-preventative agent of the drug in women at high risk of breast cancer. Despite the fact that the acute side-effects of the drug are few, its agonistic and antagonistic oestrogenic effects are not fully known and may have some undesirable effects for patients treated with the drug for several years. A number of studies carried out recently indicate a varying degree of change in bone mineral content following treatment with tamoxifen. These studies concentrated mainly on bone mineral density measurements only and non of them reported the effects of tamoxifen on lean body mass and fat mass. In this study we measured lean body mass and fat mass in tamoxifen-treated females and a comparison group to determine the difference between the two groups. Twenty-six women receiving tamoxifen (20 mg/d) have participated in this study. The control group comprised 31 healthy women of a similar age. Total body bone mineral (TBBM) was measured using a dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry (DXA) (Hologic INV., Waltham, U.S.A.). Similarly, regional and total body soft tissue (lean and fat tissue) were measured using the DXA system. In addition to DXA measurements, percentage body fat (%BF) was measured using total body potassium counting (TBK), skinfold anthropometry (SF), infrared interactance (i.r.) and bioelectric impedance analysis (BIA). Results from DXA alone showed that there were no significant differences between the two groups for TBBM, regional and total body lean tissue mass. However, there was a significant difference between the two groups (P < 0.05) for %BF measurement. Similarly there was a significant difference between the two groups (P < 0.05) for %BF measured by other body composition techniques. Although there is no other research reported on the effects of tamoxifen on %BF, this retrospective study indicates that tamoxifen may lead to increase in fact content in women who are subjected to this treatment. We conclude that this observation is probably related to the agonistic oestrogenic effect of Tamoxifen on body fat. To our knowledge this deleterious effect has not been reported before and it should be taken into considerable when comprising different types of anti-oestrogenic drugs. Furthermore, patients should be warned about this side-effect when they are prescribed Tamoxifen therapy
 
hi bro! sorry for the late reply :( damn so nolva increases bf %? i have always read differently , let me just find some studies

SOMETHING I CAME ACROSS ON ANOTHER BOARD ....

Nolvadex has estrogenic properties on fat in that it increases lipolisis (fat mobilization). To quote from a couple of studies:

"Tamoxifen, a nonsteroidal antiestrogenic antitumor agent, has weak estrogen-like effects on lipid metabolism, however, the mechanism remains unknown. We previously reported that tamoxifen decreases the activity of lipoprotein lipase (LPL), a key enzyme in triglyceride metabolism, in patients with breast cancer." (1)

"Treatment of ovariectomized rats with the nonsteroidal antiestrogen tamoxifen mimicked the effects of estradiol and caused significant decreases in food intake and body weight. The decreases in body weight were reflected mainly in a decreased body fat content" (2)

So by acting as an estrogen, it increases lipolysis. This means more fatty acids are released into the blood stream to serve as a POTENTIAL fuel source. Does this mean it causes people to lose weight? Not necessarily. There is a perception that the opposite occurs, but studies have shown this not be the case. Tamoxifen has no significant effect on weight. To quote from yet another study:

"The purpose of this research study was to determine if weight gain is associated with tamoxifen therapy and to observe the impact of weight gain on recurrence and survival. Prognostic indicators, changes in weight, and disease status from diagnosis to the end of treatment were studied in 200 consecutive Stage I and II breast cancer patients, not receiving systemic chemotherapy, admitted from 1986 to the present, with observation periods ranging from 3-5 years. A mean weight gain of 1.2 Kgs was seen in all patients; however, weight gain was not significantly different for those receiving tamoxifen vs. those not receiving tamoxifen, (P = 0.66, CI 95% for the difference -1.8 Kgs to +1.2 Kgs)." (3)

It is interesting to speculate why if nolvadex increases lipolysis it does not lead to weight loss. One possibility is that the subjects, cancer patients, aren't exercising to take advantage of the mobilized fat. The other possibility is that since nolvadex lowers GH and IGF-1, a reduction in those hormones blunts any potential weight loss.

The fact that Nolvadex increases lipolysis so much is actually a serious problem. The blood stream is flooded with fatty acids that can cause hyperlipidemia. This can cause cardiovascular problems, pancreatitis, fatty liver, and a general accumulation of fat around the organs.

This suggests to me that if you intend to use nolvadex you should have a low fat, high fiber diet to lower the blood lipids, and get plenty of exercise to burn all the fat the nolvadex has mobilized for you. I agree with Dan Duchaine that nolva CAN cause fat loss if you take full advantage of its potential.



(1) Horm Res 2000;53(1):36-9
Tamoxifen inhibits lipoprotein activity: in vivo and in vitro studies.
Hozumi Y, Kawano M, Hakamata Y, Miyata M, Jordan VC.

(2) Am J Physiol 1993 Jun;264(6 Pt 2):R1219-
Tamoxifen mimics the effects of estradiol on food intake, body weight, and body composition in rats.
Wade GN, Heller HW.

(3) Breast Cancer Res Treat 1997 Jun;44(2):135-
Weight gain associated with adjuvant tamoxifen therapy in stage I and II breast cancer: fact or artifact?
Kumar NB, Allen K, Cantor A, Cox CE, Greenberg H, Shah S, Lyman GH.


i am not sure what to understand now.
 
in rats that it the case. In HUMANS, it is not.

all the long term studies with tamox, show fat gain. Albeit all those studies are done in women.

there may be conflicting individual reports as receptor binding and activity may vary due to genetic variance in receptor density and isoforms (basically it may cause fat loss in some individuals)


aromatase inhibition is a more certain path.
 
damn, sorry i didnt see it like that, u made a VERY good point bro, its in rats not humans.

so i guess i should stick with proviron (as u already know my situation from the above posts)....

thanks very much for ur input bro

peace
 
was wondering, as i am a natural (for this cutting phase), would proviron reduce gains since its an androgen, and thus will compete for the androgen receptors and "displace" other androgens like natural test......... just wondering if thats the case...
 
it could, though its not likely at that dose.

though you might want to reconsider the "natural" proviron approach and just go with the full out cycle. Because that is really on cycle
 
i totally understand what you mean, but since proviron is not an anabolic (though it is a roid), then i really dont consider this as "not natural". basically i am just using it to give me an extra edge (in addition to diet and training) to "harden up" and get dry and cut. and also at this dose 25mg eod suppression of the hpta seems to be a non factor as there is none. i would appreciate more input on my ideas cos i am not really knowledgable at all on this.

would i see any benefits at 25mg eod also ?
 
Proviron at 25mg EOD is not going to yield the results you're looking for. I would suggest you consider 50mg/day for a couple weeks and see how you do with that. It will not interfere with your natural test, however you may find yourself considering doing women that you previously wouldn't on a bet.
I have used Proviron to harden up, my body, and it's pretty effective.
 
thanks a lot for your reply ulter ! yes , i had a feeling that 25mg would not be enough as i have read everywhere the dosages are normally between 50-150mg ED. i just thought the way i planned it (eod) that suppression would be totally nominal. in that case, would it be better to do 25mg ed, or 50mg eod, also taking into account results.

u said u have used proviron before to "harden up", thats exactly why i am using it. what were the effects exactly? did u notice an increase in vascularity btw? because that would be awesome, as i really need more vascularity (hoping proviron will help, though of course its all mainly training and DIET). lol, i heard about the increase in sex drive, is that because its an androgen and "mimics" tesosterone in the body... i am thinking maybe thats why.

sorry for my long posts :( i am just trying to get the right lol, i know its annoying as hell though.

so overall, u would recommend proviron for a guy in my situation?? its nothing special i know (in the overall scheme of things) but i want to use it as a edge. i think i will run it for 2 weeks like you said and see how it goes until then. whats the longest u would suggest i run it for btw?

totally grateful for your kind help , all input is appreciated :)
 
awesome thanks a lot bros, i will do 50mg ed


however, ONE last point i am worried about (i promise lol), is that since proviron is an androgen, will it not bind to the androgen receptors and "take up space" and not allow free natural test to bnid to the androgen receptors of the muscle, thus reducing gains? is this the case, or have i got it totally wrong.....i don't really know the science behind it, i am just stating what i have read from profiles etc.
 
I started using this a few days ago, not on my face mind you, but I got a little rash (little bumps) over a small area on my stomach. I also got the same thing to a lesser degree on the hand I use to apply it.

Anybody else ever have a reaction to this?

Odd. I cannot say for sure it is the Y-DF, but with it being on my hand and on a area I apply it... I am assuming.
 
do you have allergies?
it could be a mild allergy (though this is extremely uncommon for any of the ingredients)

do you have dry skin? if skin is very dry it could be irritation.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
do you have allergies?
it could be a mild allergy (though this is extremely uncommon for any of the ingredients)

do you have dry skin? if skin is very dry it could be irritation.
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Odd. No known allergies, as a matter of fact I am about the most toleratant person in the world - I can roll in Poison Ivy and Oak and never even get an itch.

I skin is a little dry, I shower alot. The other thing is, even though I don't react allergicly to anything that I know of - I do have pretty sensitive skin - maybe that peppermint oil. Strong smell.

Thanks for the quick reply.
 
Nice of the mops to delete my post as usual.

Anyhow yohimbine is yohimbine HCl. HCl is an ACID! You feel hot on your skin and it gets red and some gets bump because of reactions with the ACID and your skin!
 
Yohimbine hcl is a weak acid.

and if you rub plain powder, or even in water, into your skin you will see that it is not the issue.

some people (quite rare) do have mild allergies to peppermint oil, even aloe (extremely rare).
 
Animal said:
Nice of the mops to delete my post as usual.

Anyhow yohimbine is yohimbine HCl. HCl is an ACID! You feel hot on your skin and it gets red and some gets bump because of reactions with the ACID and your skin!
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Interesting. Macro, Ulter?

Not sure, my rash is just like that a bunch of small bumps. But is not everywhere I applied the product, only in a few places - but the places are all on places the product was applied.
 
hey
I've got a problem with dry skin in my face. Will using some lotion on my face an hour after applying yohdf do any harm to the effekt?
 
thanks bro
Another thing. I'm planning on using yohdf before morningcardio, but I have to get up like 4 am to be able to wait 45 minutes after applying. Can I apply it, sit in front of a fan, and do the cardio when its dry? Or do i have to wait?
 
Macro,

whats in the advanced version? Thanks for the info, and the product btw.
 
jh1 said:
I started using this a few days ago, not on my face mind you, but I got a little rash (little bumps) over a small area on my stomach. I also got the same thing to a lesser degree on the hand I use to apply it.

Anybody else ever have a reaction to this?

Odd. I cannot say for sure it is the Y-DF, but with it being on my hand and on a area I apply it... I am assuming.
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Well... here's the update.

I haven't used Y-DF since I originally got this odd rash I have never had before, and yesterday the rash came back. So it is definetly NOT the Y-DF.

Weirdest thing ever, never had a rash in my life....
 
2 questions:

Can you build up a "tolerance" to this stuff? (basically just want to use on my face).

I have eczema in addition to very dry skin.. any reports on how people with eczema react to this stuff?

Thanks
 
Bran987 said:
2 questions:

Can you build up a "tolerance" to this stuff? (basically just want to use on my face).

I have eczema in addition to very dry skin.. any reports on how people with eczema react to this stuff?

Thanks
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there dont seem to be any problems, with respect to those with eczema...

but bump for any users with eczema.
 
great product this especially for your face bought some a while back and with applying twice a day after exfoliating found it really slimmed my face down. Highly recommended!!!

I found key to sucess with this is too exfoliate without doing this never found it worked properly
 
man_with_plan said:
great product this especially for your face bought some a while back and with applying twice a day after exfoliating found it really slimmed my face down. Highly recommended!!!

I found key to sucess with this is too exfoliate without doing this never found it worked properly
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exfoliation can be a big factor for some people, especially those with certain skin types.
 
What is a body scrub? You mean those gloves that you shower with??? I got a pair of those for christmas.
 
Okay, just got my Y-ES, Is it kool if I use this before I go to bed? I dont really excersise....so, I would only be using it at bed time. Should I apply this every other night or every night?
 
Well, I am back at it. I'm cutting down, and yohimburn is one of the main things helping me. I've been putting it on my face and lower stomach before cardio and working out, and within only 2 weeks time, the results are incredible. Without this, r-ala, and p7, I would be lost.

I'm throwing in t-rex starting monday. It's gonna be a blast.

A few tips to those that ask about night time application, and shaving before hand.... I always either shave or use a facial scrub before each application. At the very least, I wash my face with warm water and a cleanser. I then apply a squirt or two to the cheek and jawbone area, then half a squirt or so to my forehead. a lot of people may think this stuff is expensive, but a little goes a long way here. Even if it lasted half a month (it lasts a lot longer than that), it would be worth the price, because it simply works.

As for before bed application, I always put it on 30mins or so before bed. Just so the 'tingly' feeling goes away a bit. I then apply a little p7 to each inner forearm. I try not to eat anything 2 hours or so before bed. I think it helps the yohimburn work better that way, as if I am in a fasting state.

Thats just what works for me, I hope it helps someone :)
 
No kidding! I used some on my face last night for the first time
and WOWSERS!!! It burned so bad for like 2mins and then it went away, but I heard that after a couple of applications the burning goes away.
 
C3bodybuilding said:
Well, I am back at it. I'm cutting down, and yohimburn is one of the main things helping me. I've been putting it on my face and lower stomach before cardio and working out, and within only 2 weeks time, the results are incredible. Without this, r-ala, and p7, I would be lost.

I'm throwing in t-rex starting monday. It's gonna be a blast.

A few tips to those that ask about night time application, and shaving before hand.... I always either shave or use a facial scrub before each application. At the very least, I wash my face with warm water and a cleanser. I then apply a squirt or two to the cheek and jawbone area, then half a squirt or so to my forehead. a lot of people may think this stuff is expensive, but a little goes a long way here. Even if it lasted half a month (it lasts a lot longer than that), it would be worth the price, because it simply works.

As for before bed application, I always put it on 30mins or so before bed. Just so the 'tingly' feeling goes away a bit. I then apply a little p7 to each inner forearm. I try not to eat anything 2 hours or so before bed. I think it helps the yohimburn work better that way, as if I am in a fasting state.

Thats just what works for me, I hope it helps someone :)
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C3 what brand of R-ala do you take, and what is p7?

Thanks for the help.
 
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