Yohimburn Df on the face, YIKES! Good stuff.

[Powerhouse_10]

was wondering, as i am a natural (for this cutting phase), would proviron reduce gains since its an androgen, and thus will compete for the androgen receptors and "displace" other androgens like natural test......... just wondering if thats the case...

 

[macrophage69alpha]

it could, though its not likely at that dose.

though you might want to reconsider the "natural" proviron approach and just go with the full out cycle. Because that is really on cycle

 

[Powerhouse_10]

i totally understand what you mean, but since proviron is not an anabolic (though it is a roid), then i really dont consider this as "not natural". basically i am just using it to give me an extra edge (in addition to diet and training) to "harden up" and get dry and cut. and also at this dose 25mg eod suppression of the hpta seems to be a non factor as there is none. i would appreciate more input on my ideas cos i am not really knowledgable at all on this.

would i see any benefits at 25mg eod also ?

 

[Ulter]

Proviron at 25mg EOD is not going to yield the results you're looking for. I would suggest you consider 50mg/day for a couple weeks and see how you do with that. It will not interfere with your natural test, however you may find yourself considering doing women that you previously wouldn't on a bet.
I have used Proviron to harden up, my body, and it's pretty effective.

 

[Powerhouse_10]

thanks a lot for your reply ulter ! yes , i had a feeling that 25mg would not be enough as i have read everywhere the dosages are normally between 50-150mg ED. i just thought the way i planned it (eod) that suppression would be totally nominal. in that case, would it be better to do 25mg ed, or 50mg eod, also taking into account results.

u said u have used proviron before to "harden up", thats exactly why i am using it. what were the effects exactly? did u notice an increase in vascularity btw? because that would be awesome, as i really need more vascularity (hoping proviron will help, though of course its all mainly training and DIET). lol, i heard about the increase in sex drive, is that because its an androgen and "mimics" tesosterone in the body... i am thinking maybe thats why.

sorry for my long posts i am just trying to get the right lol, i know its annoying as hell though.

so overall, u would recommend proviron for a guy in my situation?? its nothing special i know (in the overall scheme of things) but i want to use it as a edge. i think i will run it for 2 weeks like you said and see how it goes until then. whats the longest u would suggest i run it for btw?

totally grateful for your kind help , all input is appreciated

 

[macrophage69alpha]

as ulter stated 50mg ed is pretty standard

 

[macrophage69alpha]

^

 

[Powerhouse_10]

awesome thanks a lot bros, i will do 50mg ed


however, ONE last point i am worried about (i promise lol), is that since proviron is an androgen, will it not bind to the androgen receptors and "take up space" and not allow free natural test to bnid to the androgen receptors of the muscle, thus reducing gains? is this the case, or have i got it totally wrong.....i don't really know the science behind it, i am just stating what i have read from profiles etc.

 

[jh1]

I started using this a few days ago, not on my face mind you, but I got a little rash (little bumps) over a small area on my stomach. I also got the same thing to a lesser degree on the hand I use to apply it.

Anybody else ever have a reaction to this?

Odd. I cannot say for sure it is the Y-DF, but with it being on my hand and on a area I apply it... I am assuming.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

do you have allergies?
it could be a mild allergy (though this is extremely uncommon for any of the ingredients)

do you have dry skin? if skin is very dry it could be irritation.