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YOHIMBINE tips and tricks- V.2

YOHIMBINE HCL

INTRODUCTION

WHAT IS YOHIMBINE HCL?

Yohimbine hcl is a synthetic copy of the active and effective alkaloid in yohimbe extract.

WHAT GOOD IS YOHIMBINE HCL?

Well, its main benefit is that it allows for the release of fatty acids from "stubborn" fat.

WHAT IS "STUBBORN" FAT?

Typically, so called strubborn fat is estrogenic in nature- though some people just have high #'s of A2 receptors- the A2 receptor is highly influenced by estrogen- if you are a women or have estrogenic fat patterns you most likely have large #'s of A2 receptors.

HOW DOES YOHIMBINE WORK?

It binds to the A2 and blocks Norepinephrine(and other A2 agonist INCLUDING ESTROGEN) from binding to and agonizing it (which inhibits the release of fatty acids)- thus it allows for fatty acids to be "burned" and thus stubborn fat to be lost.

WHERE DOES YOHIMBINE WORK BEST?

Best areas are typically THIGHS, TRICEPS, LOVE HANDLES, GLUTES AND CHEST. Though any area that has soft female fat is likely to have high concentrations of A2 receptors.




METHODS OF ADMIN

1. take Yohimbine hcl powder topically if fat loss is your most important goal

2. oral admin is more stimulatory- a small dose sublingually about 10-15min prior to workout can be very beneficial- much lower doses than topical

3. out partying or want to get really amped up yohimbine can be snorted- though dont over do it- it will make you feel crappy

OPTIONS 2 AND 3 ARE PROVIDED SOLEY FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES AND THEY ARE IN NO WAY CONDONED OR RECOMMENDED (AS THEY ARE AN ILLEGAL USAGE- YOHIMBINE HCL IS INTENDED FOR TOPICAL USE ONLY- UNLESS YOU HAVE A PRESCIPTION)


LETS GET BACK TO TOPICAL AS FAT LOSS IS THE GOAL OF MOST.

A. twice daily topical admin will give you the greatest benefits- though smaller more frequent dosing with varied sites may produce better results in some individuals

B. dosing will vary depending on tolerance, one scoop or 20mg(typically) per dosing is a good place to start though some can tolerate/enjoy much higher doses- you will know when you take too much as it will not feel good. (headache, tired, just unwell- nothing really bad just annoying)

C. best sites for application as mentioned above are triceps, "love handles", thighs, glutes, calves, chest- basically any area that has fat accumulation- these areas will vary from individual to individual- though the above listed are the most common.





TIPS AND TRICKS- CARRIERS AND PENETRATION ENHANCERS

1. apply after hot shower

2. use a body scrub to get rid of dead skin- This should be done 2-3 times a week

3. It may be of some benefit to swab the area with diluted alcohol prior to admin- though this is probably only really beneficial if not applying after a shower.

4. use one or more carriers- depending on the site of application and sex- if you are older or a woman you will need less penetration as well

CARRIERS

a. Organic carriers- aloe vera, while aloe vera gel is effective, the use of pure liquid aloe vera is better and thus reccomended. This carrier also hydrates the skin

b. menthol either diluted(see oils liste below) or in a cream base like aspercreme(1%menthol) or bengay(16%menthol) (which may itself have some localized effects- aspirin has been shown to inhibit oxidative phosphoralation) salycilic acid (aspirin is also a penetration enhancer). This category includes peppermint(50% l-menthol), wintergreen(50-70%) and spearmint oils(50-70%)- all of which are excellent carriers and penetration enhancers- if using oils be sure to dilute about 8 parts water or aloe vera to 1 part oil.

c. Capsicum- contained in several cream products( the more capiscum the better)- will increase absorption, may have some localized effect on fat burning. This may be to harsh for some- perhaps best diluted and added to other carriers.

e. Pluronic gel- aka phlogel- should only be used in areas with poor blood flow- as it will dramatically increase uptake. This is difficult to obtain and probably not worth the effort as similar results can be obtained cheaper and mopre easily.


**********possible carriers but not reccomended

f. alcohol- that right plain alcohol- which is what most of the topical prohormones use (it is gelled alcohol)- though this is better as a carrier for prohormones- it is not reccomended for use with yohimbine hcl except to clean the site prior to admin.


g. isopropyl myristate- a widely available, cheap, cosmetic ingredeint ... http://www.reneal.com/supplies/diluents.htm
...add this to alcohol and you the same formula used in ANDRO-GEL- by Unimed Pharmaceutical- This option is also not reccomended- though it is one that I looked into earlier it may be a alternative to DMSO with respect to finaplix)

*************

h. DMSO- this works well but may speed yohimbine too quickly into blood stream and makes your breath stink of garlic- it is a option for those who want to take a lower dose(high dose with dmso may be unwise) and mix with crushed t3 tabs or triac(this is illegal- actually the use of DMSO as a carrier is illegal- so this is also for informational purposes only) Though I think that topical use with other carriers and oral t3 use are more effective- but it is worth mentioning as some have gotten good results with this combo.


The best thing to do is to try these different carriers to find the ones that are right for you- the easiest to get are MENTHOL(aspercreme, bengay, peppermint oil-diluted) and ALOE and perhaps swab the area with alcohol just prior- for most people this is sufficient to get good results. if you have large pockets of fat with little blood flow- ie these areas are always cold- then using stronger penetration enhancers is advisable. Women, because they have thinner skin, will probably need to use less penetration enhancers.




SOME Q&A


RESULTS?

Results will depend on the # of A2 receptors. A2 number is greatly affected by estrogen levels. If you have estogenic fatty pattern- thighs chest and triceps- then it will be very effective as it is very effective for women.

WILL YOHIMBINE MAKE ME HOLD WATER?

Almost certainly- this water retention may take up to 2wks to dissipate if you have been running yohimbine topically for long periods and high doses.


HOW DO YOU CYCLE YOHIMBINE?

Yohimbine may be taken in a variety of ways though the most common and comfortable pattern, with less water retention is 3-4 days on and 1-2 days off. However, it can be taken every day though with higher doses watch out for systemic build up.

WHO WILL BENEFIT MOST FROM YOHIMBINE USE?

1. women
2. men with female fat storage patterns
3. men who have bulked heavily while on aromatics test/dbol- which because of the increase in estrogen will increase the number and sensitivity of A2 receptors.
4. men who are very lean and trying to drop those last few "stubborn pounds- typically in thighs, lower back, and love handles.


WILL YOHIMBINE HELP TO GET RID OF FATTY GYNO?

Yes, though it will do NOTHING for the fibrous mass (true gyno). concurrent use of arimidex(prescription) and pgf2a(not approved in humans)- may the most effective stack.


WHAT STACKS WELL WITH YOHIMBINE?

ECA- may be too stimulatory
CLEN- drink lots of water
DNP- almost a necessity
NCY- enhances

WHAT IS THE RIGHT DOSAGE FOR ME?

DOSAGE- this is very individual- the only dosage reccomendation that I give is start with 20-40mg per application and work your way up- 2-3 applications per day- and use different sites during the same day- ie dont do thighs twice in the same day.


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MORE TO COME

peace
 
This is a great post! first time I see something about topical administration of Yohimbine. I guess it will only work with Y-HCl, not the Yohimbine Fuel from Twinlab right?

How do you prepare the topical solution? Just open a cap and mix with carrier? In what proportion?

Excuse me for the newbie question but this is very interresting since I think I have way too much fat in my chest and belly at 11% BF.

Andre
:destroy:
 
Hey macro I have a question about combining yohimbine and eca. You say it may be too much for some but my girlfriend has been taking eca plus using 40 mgs on each of her inner thighs plus 20mgs on her lower abs and doesn't feel a thing. That's even twice a day. It may be due to the fact that she's been on eca for quite a while and has built a tolerance to stimulants, but I would think the stimulation from yohimbine hcl would be different than eca since there isn't any in it. ie different chemical = different stimulation. Maybe I'm way off base with my thinking but I'm just curious:angel:
 
Do results of yohimbine hcl use remain after stopping use of the drug? I'm curious if this is merely a pre-contest application with fat returning immediately, especially considering that fat in the "stubborn areas" is the first to return after dieting.

Nonetheless, an informative and helpful post.
 
blaster220 said:
As always, we really appreciate the info! That's the kinda stuff you feel like you should have paid for after reading :)


LOL!!

George should work out a deal with macro that he can only post on the elite select board, that way, you in fact do have to pay to read what he says :D
 
Way to go I'll have to try this next cutting cycle
 
wow....Even after reading and re-reading the original thread, I still learned something new today :) Bump for some great info
 
what is the recipe to make your topical yohimbine? I mean, what quantity of carrier for what quantity of Y?

Andre
 
thanks for the info and very well laid out and easy to understand. It has certainly given me food for thought.

Thank you
 
Mac,

Again, you are truly amazing....and for those interested in this, go to the AF Store...great price, and quick delivery.....

Keep'm coming Mac...:)

And answer my damn question on the AF board about this very post.....Fucker:D

Ranger
 
Macro, is there any reputable medical research behind this and if so can u cite some sources please. Thanks, Galen
 
Good post.. but I did spot an error. Yohimbine HCL is legal in the United States to take orally in single doses of 2.9mg or less hence it's availability in many OTC supplements... FDA law only stipulates that a prescription is required for yohimbine HCL products having above 2.9mg per single dose. I also have some disagreements with a few statements. For example...

"HOW DOES YOHIMBINE WORK?

It binds to the A2 and blocks Norepinephrine(and other A2 agonist INCLUDING ESTROGEN) from binding to and agonizing it (which inhibits the release of fatty acids)- thus it allows for fatty acids to be "burned" and thus stubborn fat to be lost. "

This describes only a small part of yohimbine's lipolytic mechanisms. There is strong evidence to believe that the A2 adrenoceptor blocking activity plays only a very small part due to the indifference displayed in the fat loss of patients with varying A2 concentration (1),
and that the primary mechanism is attributable to the increase in synaptic norepinephrine with a resultant increment in lipolysis by beta adrenergic agonism. (2)


1. Berlan M, Galitzky J, et al. Plasma Catecholamine Levels and Lipid Mobilization Induced by Yohimbine in Obese and Non-obese Women. Int J Obes 1991 May;15(5):305-315.


2. KucGalitzky J, Vermorel M, Lafontan M, Montastruc P. Thermogenic and Lipolytic Effect of Yohimbine in Canines. Brit J Pharmacol 1991 Oct;104(2):514-518.
 
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B182,

there is no disagreement-

NE binding to the A2 inhibits the release of NE-

Yohimbine hcl by blocking NE from the A2 increases the availability of NE in the synapse.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ALL THE STUDIES YOU HAVE MENTIONED USE ORAL DOSING-

THE EFFECTS OF TOPICAL USE INCLUDING HIGH LOCAL CONCENTRATIONS AND EXTENDED RELEASE INCREASE THE IMPORTANCE THAT THE A2 PLAYS IN LIPOLYSIS.

with respect to the legal issues- oral use of pure powder is illegal (technically)
 
Macro -

I have some Reverzine, (injectible Yohimbine HCL). Will it be effective when doing sub-q site injections in the love handles etc.? I am also cycling it EOD with ECA.
 
Great post....again macro. So gang, whi is using it, I would love to hear of people results.
 
re prepping with diluted alcohol - what kind of alcohol? Can I use some of that generic vodka that comes in a plastic bottle at Ralph's and just add equal parts water and swab?

Or do I need pharmacy alcohol?
 
so what should my girlfriend use as a good carrier? we both were going to use dmso, but it looks like she should stick to something else like aloe vera or capsicum products. what do you advise?
 
Hey macro I have a question about combining yohimbine and eca. You say it may be too much for some but my girlfriend has been taking eca plus using 40 mgs on each of her inner thighs plus 20mgs on her lower abs and doesn't feel a thing. That's even twice a day. It may be due to the fact that she's been on eca for quite a while and has built a tolerance to stimulants, but I would think the stimulation from yohimbine hcl would be different than eca since there isn't any in it. ie different chemical = different stimulation. Maybe I'm way off base with my thinking but I'm just curious

:angel:
 
purple,

Have not used the injectable but the effect should be similar.- though with less time release effect.



DaMan,
diluted vodka is fine and actually preferable- isopropyl is more systemically toxic.



Juiced lifter,
If using aloe vera alone it should be pure liquid aloe(this needs to be refrigerated after opening)- this and either aspercreme or one of the menthol oils(peppermint-etc.) is one of the best methods of admin(from feedback)


Delinquent,

What carrier(s)-?
note- some people do not get "jacked" from yohimbine even with oral use- they just dont get a lot of CNS response from NE.

Champion,
It seems to be legal for topical use- At least according to canadien customs.


BulDog,
E mail me


Peace
 
Macro, great info. My lady is now determined to use some, and I must admit I'll give it a go on my mid section. If taking with the liquid Aloe Vera, how much of the Aloe do you use per 20 mg application? Or does it make a difference?
 
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So far she's only tried it with bengay(aka) medicine cabinet LOL. She just stopped a few days ago so we know we won't start seeing results for at least a few more days. Once her contests are over, we'll try other carriers.
 
I still have some Triax left which i ordered last year.
What if i crushed some and add to bengay/any carrier?
Is it going to do the same trick as Yohimbine?
 
I still have some Triax left which i ordered last year.
What if i crushed some and add to bengay/any carrier?
Is it going to do the same trick as Yohimbine?
 
Im wondering what effect yohimbine would have if applied topically to your balls/penis??? specially with phojel - no alcohol ouch@!
 
MP- can I rub Yo on my third testicle to make it match the other's in size and beauty? :FRlol: :FRlol: :FRlol:
 
BigBrotherVal,

with liquid aloe use about 2 parts aloe to to 1 part yohimbine hcl- more if needed- though this should be enough- its hard to use too much- though with more the area of application tends to diffuse and enlarge.
 
As mentioned in another post

stacking arimidex and yohimbine can be very beneficial in attacking estrogenic fatty deposits (perhaps especially soft tissue gyno)
 
Macro,

As always you are a endless well of information. I have been following Topical Y administration for quite sometime now and finally ordered some from AF. Well I recieved it yesterday and have some questions.

Is the scoop that is included supposed to measure 20mg?

When you say that it is best to use 2 carriers do you suggest mixing the 2 carriers together and using at the same time?

Also do you find it easier to mix a large amount at a time i.e. 2000mg bottle of Y w/ 1000 ml Aloe Vera juice to get a 2mg/ml concentration and use 10-20ml at a time or should you only mix what you plan to use right then?

When we used it last night all I did was apply about a quarter size amount of Aloe Vera GEL to an area and add one scoop (20mg?) on top, then kind of mixed it up right there on the spot, then rubbed it in. It didn't seem like the most scientific method of applying it.

Anyway any direction would be appreciated from you guys.

Peace,
8
 
NO.8,

yes, scoop is apprx 20mg.


yes, at same time or first one then the other- either way is fine. ie apply aloe/menthol or apply aloe then menthol. etc...


mix at time of application. with the mixture you describe- too low a concentration.

Application does not have to be scientific, to be effective- some time the simple ways are best. Though if using only, the pure juice is recommended.

peace
 
I ordered mine yesterday and should get it tommorrow, what would you say is a good time limit to see result?

Do you really have to massage it into the area or just rub it on and let it dry?

Thanks alot, great post by the way.
M56M
 
Thanks Macro!

So it sounds like I should get some Aloe Vera JUICE and mix just a couple of ml's with a scoop of powder per application site and that should be fine.

Well, we shall see. I'll try to keep you guys posted on the results.

Peace,
8
 
special notation

DENSITY OF YOHIMBINE HCL POWDER MAY VARY.

I have encountered several densities with respect to pharmaceutical grade yohimbine hcl.

the most common of which are 20mg/scoop and 40mg/scoop
 
Oral Yohimbe

Hey! This is such a great topic. Does anyone know what the best Oral Yohimbe product might be or what I should look for in one as I cannot afford the powder?

Thanks
 
yohimbe is NOT cheap
YOHIMBINE HCL is MUCH cheaper

lets say that 1 tablet of yohimbe contains 5mg(which is highly doubtful) of yohimbine

1 gram of yohimbine hcl is 200 such doses.

though it is really a lot more like 300 or more

peace
 
Yohimbine hcl is suitable for oral and topical use.

the only legal use of yohimbine hcl powder is topical

the only legal use of yohimbine hcl tablets is orally (with a prescription) unless the dosage is below 3mg per tablet.

KEEP IN MIND THAT YOHIMBINE HCL, IF PHARMACEUTICAL GRADE, IS THE SAME CHEMICAL WHETHER POWDER OR COMPRESSED IN TABLETS(OR CAPSULES)

the questions come up a lot- so clarification seemed necessary.
 
Maybe this was asked and answered before

but i didn't read it. If fat is lost, how long will it stay away and does it come back entirely or partially?
 
hey bros, been using topical yohimbine for only about 4 days now...

I only use 20mg per application, and i put a scoop in my palm, dab a little powder directly on my right nipple and the surrounding area, then mix the rest of the powder in my palm with a dab of ben gay, and finnally i rub the ben gay/yohimbine mixture into the powder already on my chest and massage it in. Ill do this 2-3 times a day (after a shower)

I smell like a fucking candy cane for a little bit after, but it's not too bad

I've been on .5 to 1mg armidex ED for the past 2 weeks, and for the past 3 days i been popping nolvedex to further decrease the puffiniess. Im starting to see some results already....
 
Jeff,

Fat loss is permanent, to the extent that you do not eat the excess calories or are exposed to the estrogen(s) that caused the problem in the first place.

Dork,

Good luck- you should get good results with that stack


peace
 
Bumparoo.

Anyone else have yohimbine success stories to share?
 
It's still too early to tell, but I think I'm working on a success story over here. I hope I don't jinx it!

I been applying twice a day to my wife (thighs/calves) at around 40 mg per location for just about 6 days, and she's down about 5 lbs and she swears that her pants are fitting better! Again I think its too early to tell if it's the Yohimbine or just a psycological thing but it's looking promising.

By the way I found a great carrier for this stuff. It's something called Tei-Fu that my wife got from a message therapist friend of hers. Anyways here's what it contains...

Ingredients: water, aloe vera juice, stearyl alcohol, l-menthol, wintergreen oil, stearic acid, eucalyptus oil, propylene glycol, camphor, sodium lauryl sulfate, T.E.A., lanolin, clove oil, propylparaben, menthylparaben, allantoin, and fragrances.

Don't know the various concentrations of each, or how much this stuff costs, but that's what we've been using.

Peace,
8
 
DNP Macro

Macrophage 69:

As you state: Yohimbine taken orally is more stimulatory. Does this mean it should be avoided when cycling DNP? Also, if you can, please list a quality oral yohimbine product.

Thanks
 
DNP and Yohimbe

Thanks for the response about the oral yohimbe but I am just about to start my DNP cycle and need something that I can just pick up at a local place like GNC. Is Yohimbe Fuel an effective oral yohimbe product? Also, does yohimbe provide too much stimulation to be used with DNP?

Thanks
 
yohimbine tends to agglomerate. it sticks together well. when you scoop it up it kind of packs it self.

but it really is not all that important- with topical dosing a variance of even 10mg is ok from an effectiveness/side effect stand point. Though for some individuals, who may be more sensitive you may want to dissassociate in a solution to get a more accurate dosing. Yohimbine will dissasociate, not dissolve, well in peppermint oil and liquid aloe. A stand alone solution and pre-mix will be available VERY soon.

peace
 
MR-T

Hey macro, fantastic post.
Just got my Yohimbine and some peppermint oil. If I mix it at 2mls peppermint oil with one 20mg scoop is this an effective application?
Oh yeah, keep us posted on that stand alone product you mentioned. Thanks man.
 
Why is Yohimbe not a suitable alternative when on a DNP cycle? Is it too stimulatory? I really just want a product that I can pick up locally to work on my fatty gyno..yohimbe fuel would not be good?
 
WOW!!! A premade gel that you can mix with the yohimbine powder and apply it. I imagine it will be designed especially for this purpose and it will be relatively inexpensive. I picture something that would be easily accessable to "we the people" at some online store or something like that. When can we expect to see this on the shelves?
 
Ulter, are you insinuating that this new product will be at an on-line store that you probably frequently patronize..heh heh:D
 
Hey macro, I have been using yohimbine hcl and cutting gel for about 4 weeks now. I have been using 40-50mg per application 2x's per day to my lower abs and love handles. I have been going 3 days on and two days off. I know that it makes you hold water, so on the 2nd day off, my lower abs tend to look a little better. Now do you see the best results after discontinuation of the yohimbine hcl, since it can take 2 weeks or so to get rid of the water being held?


Mike;)
 
Hoover said:
Hey macro, I have been using yohimbine hcl and cutting gel for about 4 weeks now. I have been using 40-50mg per application 2x's per day to my lower abs and love handles. I have been going 3 days on and two days off. I know that it makes you hold water, so on the 2nd day off, my lower abs tend to look a little better. Now do you see the best results after discontinuation of the yohimbine hcl, since it can take 2 weeks or so to get rid of the water being held?


Mike;)

Are you mixing the cutting gel with the Yohimbine HCL? Or using a seperate carrier?

M56M
 
Advent and Quality of Visual results will vary. :p

What?:confused:

How long you hold water due to yohimbine use will vary- with heavy extended use ie 2-3wk(or more) without a break at higher doses it can take up to 2wks for water levels to return to normal. The losses seen during the 1-2 days breaks are, in most cases, not the entirety of results as it takes longer for water to return to normal(3-5 days) even with short cycles and breaks. How much a difference there is between the 1-2 day breaks and total cessation will, of course, vary. :angel:
 
here's my cycle

weeks 1-12 yohimbine HCL 2 times per day 20mg dose
week 1-2 NYC
week 3-4 ECA
week 5-6 NYC
week 7-10 clen+ketotifen
week 11-12 NYC


I will do the yohimbine HCL 5 days on/2 days off to be able to keep track of my dosage.So I may experience a little water retention, I'm not sure.

i have about 100 nolvadex. but since I recently purchased 80 mg of arimidex, I will not need the nolvadex. Would it be ok to take the nolvadex(for yohimbine HCL water retention) during the 12 weeks even though I will not be doing AS?[In weeks 14-23 i will be doing an AS cycle with arimidex taken daily]

I'm not ever going to use the nolvadex for AS so i'm just looking for a way to use them.Thanks!!
 
LEWDTENANT,

Looks good- though you may want to try more than 20mg per dose.

With respect to nolva- never used it- either alone or with yohimbine- However, it seems unlikely that it will help with the water retention caused by yohimbine. though it may be worth a whirl.


ATTENTION-

20mg is the average amount of micronized yohimbine that will fit UNPACKED into a level microscoop. you can pack up 60mg of micronized yohimbine into a scoop.

the best way to get the 20mg per scoop is to shake your powder lightly before scoop out and to not press the scoop against the wall of the bottle. However if you do you will get between 25 and 35mg- this variance is not really all that important, with respect to topical use, to most unless you are

A. very sensitive to yohimbine (uncommon)
B. trying to stretch out yohimbine to make it last (frugal)
C. very precise in your dosing requirements (anal) :)


Though seriously the most important thing is to use the same technique in scooping( to get the same dose that you have pre-determined) as opposed to worrying about how many mg's exactly you are using- as you want to (IDEALLY) Use just slightly below what you can tolerate to get the best results(through saturation of the A2's in the area applied to).

IMPORTANT- IF YOU TAKE INFREQUENT BREAKS OR USE FOR EXTENDED PERIODS USE MODERATELY LESS THAN YOU CAN TOLERATE, AS OPPOSED TO SLIGHTLY, AS YOU GET SYSTEMIC BUILD-UP.

PEACE
 
used 2000mg

I used up my 2000mg bottle over the past 4 weeks or so. I used ICY-HOT (16% menthol) as the carrier. In the beginning it appeared as though I was seeing results, but I am also on a very-low-carb diet, taking Adipokinetix and Twinlab Diet Fuel, and doing lots of cardio. I have had some fat loss but it is hard for me to state conclusively at this point that it is due to the Yohimbine HCL, as there has been an overall fat loss. I would have expected the fat loss in the treated areas (love handles, glutes) to be more pronounced considering what I've read here.

I hope others follow up with their extended results as well so we can all find out whether or not this product is the local-fat-loss panacea its being presented as here. Considering the price being paid for what is essentially less than a teaspoonfull of white powder, I would expect conclusive and quantifiable results. I would also mention that I have followed all of the instructions for administration very carefully to avoid wasting my hard earned dollars.

I only bought the 2000mg bottle, because I didn't want to blow $100 if it didn't work... and it does seem a little scammy to me that the originator of this thread constantly bumps it, and another poster always directs anybody asking "where do I get it", to the anabolic fitness store.

Correct or not, these are just my observations and are not intended to offend, just another opinion to add in to the pile of opinions already here.
 
I'm doing a 12 week cycle. but i will be doing clen,ECA,NYC also. i have some fat on chest that need to go bye bye. we will see. I have some from AF store and some from someone else.
 
Alambrose,

if you just finished your bottle you should wait at least 2wks before giving you evaluation- though I hope that you get the results you were looking for.

But then again yohimbine is an effective fat burner, not a magic wand that you wave and the fat disappears.

It is VERY, VERY effective for women (+men with estrogenic fat patterns).


HOW EFFECTIVE IT IS WILL DEPEND ON THE AMOUNT OF A2 RECEPTORS. if you have lots of A2 yohimbine may, to a certain extent, act like a magic wand for you.


With respect to powder and cost- 4g is 200 doses- which typically will last 1-2months the same cost as most fat burners- and certainly more effective than most- especially for the above mentioned persons or for those last hard to lose pockets of fat.

peace
 
hey macro, i've been using ben gay as my carrier, it's 10% menthol, i noticed the guy above was using icy-hot @ 16%, is my stuff ok?

day 5 here guys, as stated before, seeing minor results already...
 
also, i've been applying after my morning shower, and after my gym shower at night...

should i be putting some on before the gym too?
 
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