Yet another first time cycle - comments and suggestions please

[jamesb]

This will be my first juice experience and I dont want to mess it up. I have scoured this board for weeks looking for info and want to make sure I get it right.

10 weeks cycle:

wk 1-6 dbol 25mg per day; deca @ 400mg per week
wk 6-10 deca @ 400mg per week.

Clomid therapy to begin 3 wks after last deca injection as outlined in IronGame's Clomid FAQ (Excelent reading, btw). Nolvadex on stand by just in case.

Nice and simple.

Stats:
Age: 30
5'9'' and 177.6 lbs (as of right now) and 12% bf as of last month.
Been training for a solid 4 years and about 5 years on and off prior to that.

Objectives:
Gain and KEEP 10 - 15 lbs of lean muscle (or more)
Keep it as safe and simple as possible.

Thoughts?

 

[Quadsweep]

200-300mg Test-E per week
200-300mg Deca or EQ per week
Run both for 8 weeks
Clomid at 100/75/50mg ED for 3 weeks then off for 6-8 weeks Have some Nolva of another anti-e in case you start having sides. I doubt you will as this is pretty mild.



I personally do not like d-bol first cycle and you lose quite a bit when coming off due to water retention. This can be avoided to an extent with the use of anti-e's though

Peace

 

[Trevdog]

I respectfully disagree regarding the dbol. Sure you will lose some water, but you will keep the muscle.

Also, you are looking at deca dick with no test.

Moreover, test is the best for growth. I would keep everthing else the same but add 500 mgs. of test per week, along with some arimidex or nolva. You could probably shorten the cycle to 8 weeks and gain very nearly as much. Shorter cycles tend to make recovery easier.

 

[jamesb]

Thanks for the follow ups. So if I incorporate test and deca into the cycle, what kind of an injection schedule would you guys recomend? I am trying to keep this as simple as possible.

 

[DSPO]

I am with Trevdog keep add 500mg of test and run it for the 10 weeks and get some Liquidex to hold of the water. You will be very happy with the results

 

[Trevdog]

Thanks for the follow ups. So if I incorporate test and deca into the cycle, what kind of an injection schedule would you guys recomend? I am trying to keep this as simple as possible.

I would just inject twice a week. Mix 250 mgs. of test with 200 mgs. of deca in each dart and fire away.

 

[jamesb]

I would just inject twice a week. Mix 250 mgs. of test with 200 mgs. of deca in each dart and fire away.

So are you suggesting I mix 250 mg of test and 200 mg of deca in the same dart? or 250 mg of test on day one, then 200 mg of deca on the second day?

 

[ultragainz]

yea its fine you can mix them

 

[Realgains]

I am with Quadsweep on this one. He has given you more than enough. .
Deca/d-bol is a classic but I personally don't think anyone needs to take a 17aa roid, EVER, when you have great injectables available.

You could also do Deca only at 2mg per pound of body weight as this dose has been proven to be quite effective. You may wish to add a little Proviron (50mg per day)with the deca as deca is low in androgen, and since it will be shutting down your own test production you may feel a little off, but it is unlikely that you will get deca dick at moderate doses even without proviron or test.

Cantact "gator-d" for his excellent experince with deca only.

 

[Baddogg]

in your opinion(s).. what do you all think is the safest gear?

 

[Baddogg]

bump

bump

 

[serge]

when you dump dboll you will have to add something else, test would be a good choice, run 400-600mg/week along with deca

 

[Realgains]

Probably Nandrolone, yet all of the injectables are not too bad if taken in moderation. The biggest worry with roid use is increases in total cholesterol and shifts in HDL/LDL ratio's. Most are affected to some degree here. Some(more than a few) guys really get high Cholesterol and very crappy HDL/LDL ratio's on even moderate doses.

Bill L has a study that proves that a little Nolva(20mg) helps keep LDL levels down with moderate doses of roids. It does this by acting as an estrogen in the liver.

In my modest opinion I believe that we should all avoid the 17aa orals as they really are not needed. They are simply too hard on the liver , especially anadrol.
Take a look at this site. www.newhopemed.com

 

[Baddogg]

sounds pretty safe.....have you ever tried it?

 

[jamesb]

I think i am going to drop the d-bol and run with the following:

wk 1-10 EQ @ 300mg a week ; test-e @ 300 mg a week with the clomid at the end and the nolva (or other anit-e) on stand by just in case. Would it hurt to take an anti-e even if I didnt get any gyno symptoms?

Originally I wanted to front load the dbol. I have heard you get a hell of a pump while on it. Is there anything (non aa17) I could throw in the mix that would give me the same kind of pump?

layta

jamesb