never heard of it...don't need to hear of it...don't need to research it...don't need to try it. As long as I know it is coming from another supplement company I know it is going to be crap and a waste of my money. Sorry to be so cynical (actually I am not that sorry), but I have been to the supplement dance a few times in my life and have wasted a dollar or two and I thought of hope or two to know that it is all hype. Don't beleive it, don't read about it, don't buy it. Lift big, eat big, and supplement with AAS of your choice KNOWING!!! that they work. Why waste money, time, and hope for something you don't know anything about other than what a flashy ad says?