wtf is 1-test

[YellowJacket]

This is one of the funnier threads I have read in awhile.... I can supply anyone here with several hundred personal testimonials of people who are more than satisfied with 1-Test, whether it be transdermal or oral (seriously, all you have to do is ask, Ill bring'em over).

Not sure who mentioned the price of 1-test as being too expensive, dont know where you do your shopping brother, but GNC isnt where its at. You can get a complete, 1-test/4-AD cycle for around $70. Doesnt seem at all expensive to me. I have personally used Molecular's Ether Gels (after many years of AAS use) and had great results from them, by great, I mean better than I assumed. I once had the 'PHs suck, waste of money' attitude, but once I realized this was the year 2003 and many advances have been made, I thought Id give them a try, and Im glad I did.

Gains made from a 1st 1-test cycle is very comparable to that of an AAS cycle. Of course variables like dose, stacking, etc. come in to play, but a basic AAS cycle is what Im comparing.

As for more sides, if you can provide me with multiple documents on the physiological reason why pro hormones give more side effects than whatever you're comparing them with, by all means, post away.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Gains made from a 1st 1-test cycle is very comparable to that of an AAS cycle.

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just go ahead and post what cycles you have done with "recognized" anabolic steroids. so that a fair comparison can be done.

because have seen about 100 posts to the contrary, by people that have used the very topicals and orals that you refer too.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

william,

semantics.. ulter knows that that 1-t is an androgen. the term almost a steroid is kind of like prohormone and prosteroid (ie there is no such thing) but still used commonly enough.

they are either steroids or not... as to anabolic and androgenic effect.. therein lies the difference.


BTW- having discussed this on end with ulter.. his objection to selling is "1-t and others" is that the sides.. in his opinion, outweigh the value and that he does not wish to be responsible for others use that leads to unanticipated side effects.. whether the user may or may not be aware of potential.

as to the issue that ulter has for many months made clear with respect to the sale of "PH and prosteroids" is that the warnings are inadequate. and that sides outweigh the benefits- a reasonable interpretation of the available data. and the potential sides are unknown (which is very accurate).

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Read: We missed the boat, big-time.

very innaccurate... from someone that actually knows.

 

[YellowJacket]

just go ahead and post what cycles you have done with "recognized" anabolic steroids. so that a fair comparison can be done.

because have seen about 100 posts to the contrary, by people that have used the very topicals and orals that you refer too.

My first cycle, 30mgs dianabol ED, 500mgs Enth. (QV) a week, and 400mgs EQ (QV) a week, I gained 17lbs with decent to good nutrition, this was a 10 week cycle. MY first Ph cycle, 1-T Ethergels, (only a 4 weeker) I gained 11lbs with very good nutrition. Of course you'll find me preaching the importance of nutrition beyond AAS, PHs, Etc. But I have yet to understand what about 1-test pisses off so many AAS users....

 

[macrophage69alpha]

the hatred is readily understood... PH (previously were heavily touted) the sides were excessive and the gains limited. the number of people with gyno from andro and 19-nor use is appalling.

these compounds are even less predictable as there is NO research on them. and there are a lot of people with pretty severe sides (the real issue, IMO, being more that they were not made aware of the potential of these sides..)-- yes some people are aware, but the majority of consumers are not... do you see big disclaimers on the advertising?

 

[YellowJacket]

the hatred is readily understood... PH (previously were heavily touted) the sides were excessive and the gains limited. the number of people with gyno from andro and 19-nor use is appalling.

Whoa brother, people still use andro? I didnt even know it was still around, no one here is talking about andro, or 19nor (which is one of the milder PHs) at all. Im speaking on the behalf of 1-test.

these compounds are even less predictable as there is NO research on them. and there are a lot of people with pretty severe sides (the real issue, IMO, being more that they were not made aware of the potential of these sides..)-- yes some people are aware, but the majority of consumers are not... do you see big disclaimers on the advertising?

There are repercussions to everything my friend. AAS, steriods, drinking, laying in the sunlight, flying, etc. Its up to you to know the general ailments that come with the negative effects of products. Now before you say 'its hard to do when they're not listed, or given', then why would you go ahead and use the product? If you deemed it unsafe, would you use it anyway? You dont see 'big disclaimers' on anything. No company in their right mind is going to add 'may cause sudden heart attack, brain damage, etc' on the bottle. Look at ephedrine.

I hate to seem like im trying to refute what you're saying, I agree that a lot of companies have no business dealing with pro hormones, but there are a few out there that are gaining a very respectable reputation, not only for the way they handle their business, but for the potent products they're putting out, and the feedback, testimonials, and free advice via message boards they are giving out. These companies include Avant Labs, BDC Nutrition, Molecular Nutrition, Ergopharms. I see pro hormones like steriods, you can save some $$ and buy the 'cheaper' brand and hope for the best, or you can take the time, spend the money and get the reputable brand and be 99% positive your results will greatly over shadow that bit of acne on your shoulders.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Whoa brother, people still use andro? I didnt even know it was still around, no one here is talking about andro, or 19nor (which is one of the milder PHs) at all. Im speaking on the behalf of 1-test.

you asked why people hate PH (which is a false name anyways.. as they are all steroids)...

thats why..

it matters little on whose behalf you speak.. the "legal hormone" supplement find their origins in those products.. and thus carry their stigma (whether accurate or not)...

 

[macrophage69alpha]

There are repercussions to everything my friend. AAS, steriods, drinking, laying in the sunlight, flying, etc. Its up to you to know the general ailments that come with the negative effects of products. Now before you say 'its hard to do when they're not listed, or given', then why would you go ahead and use the product? If you deemed it unsafe, would you use it anyway? You dont see 'big disclaimers' on anything. No company in their right mind is going to add 'may cause sudden heart attack, brain damage, etc' on the bottle. Look at ephedrine.

anabolic steroids carry those warnings.. they are readily posted all over the net and accompany the product and are available on their website, etc, etc

people, perhaps yourself not among them, have pimped 1-t etc as otherwise(safe and relatively free from side effects with steroid like gains..) (though notably some people have recently changed this position)

if you want 1-t OTC.. thats the way it should be, otherwise you are just trying to make a buck..

 

[YellowJacket]

you asked why people hate PH (which is a false name anyways.. as they are all steroids)...

thats why..

it matters little on whose behalf you speak.. the "legal hormone" supplement find their origins in those products.. and thus carry their stigma (whether accurate or not)...

Well if you're saying people hate pro hormones because of andro, then ignorance is bliss I suppose. I suppose in the future the education will be much better than it is now.....

anabolic steroids carry those warnings.. they are readily posted all over the net and accompany the product and are available on their website, etc, etc

people, perhaps yourself not among them, have pimped 1-t etc as otherwise(safe and relatively free from side effects with steroid like gains..) (though notably some people have recently changed this position)

if you want 1-t OTC.. thats the way it should be, otherwise you are just trying to make a buck..

But remember, anabolic steriods are illegal. Those warnings are designed for vet or medical use, not your bodybuilder/weight trainer. Certainly the dosing is much different between the two. The only products I 'pimp' are those that have treated me well, and I only do the pimping when asked what I thought or when someone requests the info.