would you train your replacement?

[jerkbox]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...atoday/workersaskedtotrainforeignreplacements



i think i'd give them a big FUCK YOU

some of these people who run businesses need to die a slow painful death...anything to make an extra buck i guess

 

[sweed]

Fuck that,I'd go tell them to go fuck themselves twice

 

[Razorguns]

A company next door to us at a place I worked did just that.

It was such a tense, agro moment for that company. I saw such LOW MORALE and so many arguments from people.

US workers obviously stopped giving a shit. So managers were always yelling at them, and workers yelling at them back.

Indian workers didn't like the US workers, and kept telling the managers they were not being "helpful" or "training them well" (even though i believe most of it has do to with thier HORRIBLE english skills). So once again, managers would confront US workers, and more yelling, screaming would result.

1-2 US workers would get fired, to try and make the rest think twice about not being co-operative. Many would just surf the web all day trying to find their next job.

Many quit and filed suits that the company had made a "hostile work environment" so they HAD to quit and were due unemployment benefits. Companies would counter-sue.

It was a fucking mess. Any company who does that is total bullshit, and not worth working for.

 

[big4life]

Sure I would, and I would make sure that it was done right.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Oh, I'd definately train them alright. Bwahahahahahahaha,

 

[d3track]

that is fucked up shit
i would train the guy to 'learn how to do it right'

 

[Becoming]

Oh, I'd definately train them alright. Bwahahahahahahaha,

Yeah you could totally train them to jack stuff up...

This will be commmonplace until some worker comes in toting an AK and lights up their manager dudes and the 20 visiting indian guys... I expect it to happen soon...

 

[BrandonXJ]

hell no..

 

[the nature boy]

if companies had strict documentation procedures they wouldn't have to worry about this problem.

Anyway, if I wanted my severance package, I'd train them. If I wasnt' getting one, I'd say fuck it.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

if companies had strict documentation procedures they wouldn't have to worry about this problem.

Anyway, if I wanted my severance package, I'd train them. If I wasnt' getting one, I'd say fuck it.

Companies have proven over and over that they do not want to "pay for process". So, unless it's controlled by government process requirements, that isn't going to happen, especially in commercial environments.

The best thing to teach these folks as they come over is how to MILK every last single damn dime they can from the project. Change orders are a bitch, and HIGHLY expensive. If you make changes in just the right parts of code, you can have a lifetime project.

 

[Dial_tone]

I would train them until I found another job then i'd be gone instantly.

 

[Scotsman]

I did get to train my replacement at my last job. Of course I also got to pick who it was.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

No one is compelled to work at a job; you are employed by the mutual agreement of you and your employer.

These people chose to train their replacement.

 

[Buddy_Christ]

Yeah you could totally train them to jack stuff up...

This will be commmonplace until some worker comes in toting an AK and lights up their manager dudes and the 20 visiting indian guys... I expect it to happen soon...

let's just hope the only people they take out are the managers and execs that support fucking americans out of their jobs. hopefully a whole board meeting while they're all smiling and happy seeing the figures of how much more money they're going to make because they're hiring someone in another country to do the job. and better yet, the guy that comes in with said AK-47 isn't identified and never gets caught so more corporations can live in fear of what will happen if they fuck over their workers.

too bad it'll never happen that way.

 

[Dial_tone]

That's one plus side of outsourcing. They don't have to worry about Habib bringin a shotgun to work and lighting up the office.

 

[Razorguns]

>These people chose to train their replacement.

Not really. If they don't -- they're fired and receive no unemployment benefits.

Not to mention, the employer is CHANGING their job duties. It went from database administrator to now Database TEACHER and TRAINER.

Onus being. The better they train, the faster the new guy will get up to speed at it, and the quicker they can lay off the TEACHER.

It's a fucked up scenario that does NOT make good business sense. It brings down morale, can result in IT vandalism that may have never occured beforehand, creates a hostile workplace, and can result in workers not even affected by this, to say fuck it -- and start looking and taking other jobs.

all to save XX dollars, which they'll lsoe anyways -- after the indian IT companies charge them up the wazoo at the first "update/fix" they request. Been there, done that. I saw GE's invoice for a project for 3 years. They paid MORE than they did the previous 3 years. Let's just say -- they weren't there the next year.

Magazines love the trump the benefits, citing "less is more" concept. But if the implementation is FUCKED -- the cost savings are erased.

It's great if everything runs beautifully on paper. And we ALL know that isn't the case.

Even in Hollywood. I've had fellow assistants organize foreign location shoots to save $200-$400,000. And it bit them in the ass. Going over schedule, extra expenses, tons of flights back and forth, lack of government permits, rewriting storyboards cuz the infrastructure is not there, complaints by locals, bitching by foreign talent, medical expenses, jacked-up costs of local supplies by greedy merchants, etc. etc. etc.

Studios have been so FUCKED by foreign shoots -- they ONLY authorize it to be done by US companies that can GUARANTEE on paper the 1) cost and 2) length of tie and 3) quality. So if it goes over budget, THAT company EATS the cost. Not them. Of course, not too many companies around that will do that.

As a result -- hollywood only flies to foreign locations to do some scenes, and then run back and film the rest of "england" in some backlot.

 

[Sub-Zero]

i would train him to get my coffee so that i could be alert to do realmans work

 

[jerkbox]

No one is compelled to work at a job; you are employed by the mutual agreement of you and your employer.

These people chose to train their replacement.

did you read the article?

they lose unemployment benefits if they don't....

that's fucked.

if they are going to offshore these jobs, people should be laid off and get benefits without having to go through that degradation.

 

[Gymgurl]

I'd have to train the hubbys next wife on how to wear the pants in the famliy!

 

[collegiateLifter]

let's just hope the only people they take out are the managers and execs that support fucking americans out of their jobs. hopefully a whole board meeting while they're all smiling and happy seeing the figures of how much more money they're going to make because they're hiring someone in another country to do the job. and better yet, the guy that comes in with said AK-47 isn't identified and never gets caught so more corporations can live in fear of what will happen if they fuck over their workers.

too bad it'll never happen that way.

this is rediculous. Populist sentiment is at rediculously high level these days, Causing all the idiots to speak up.


That said there are both tactful and offensive manners of implementing outsourcing. In a lot of cases it is offensively done, but like when some jackass cuts you off on the road that doesn't give you license to kill.

Management could have people train replacements in exchange for helping the employees either find new jobs or get the education neccessary so that they can adapt to a 'new economy.'

 

[biteme]

They have them between a rock and a hard place because they need to feed their families. Most businesses are run by greedy scum. Vote for Bush and expect more of the same. My own company just did this to us. We are contractors and we lost the bid at the company where I work. The company wanted all of us to stay when the new contractors take over. The company that I work for will not release us, they would rather us be laid off because they didn't get the contract. We have some bullshit clause in our contract that says we can't work for a competitor if they take over, until a year has passed. That shouldn't even be legal. A person has a right to make a living and they're interfering with that right. Low life bastards.

 

[Buddy_Christ]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...atoday/workersaskedtotrainforeignreplacements



i think i'd give them a big FUCK YOU

some of these people who run businesses need to die a slow painful death...anything to make an extra buck i guess

you're ok for now though baldbox. they havn't developed technology to eliminate fast food workers yet.

this is rediculous. Populist sentiment is at rediculously high level these days, Causing all the idiots to speak up.


That said there are both tactful and offensive manners of implementing outsourcing. In a lot of cases it is offensively done, but like when some jackass cuts you off on the road that doesn't give you license to kill.

Management could have people train replacements in exchange for helping the employees either find new jobs or get the education neccessary so that they can adapt to a 'new economy.'

so i'm an idiot because i think it's a crock of BS that now we're losing white collar jobs so someone else's pockets can get lined just a little bit more? the loss of manufacturing jobs isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the loss of white collar jobs is. what's going to be left if we outsource all these jobs? working in fast food or being one of the few rich people that control all the money.

and my comments about someone taking an AK-47 into a board meeting....with all the lunitics in this world, it wouldn't shock me if someone did that. but i guess i'm an idiot because i happen to agree that all this outsourcing is bad for us overall and hurts people financially. yes, it may create some lower prices for goods and services, but who's going to be able to buy those goods and services when everyone is unemployed due to outsourcing?

 

[Y_lifter]

I've been on the other side when we took over an I.T. shop as a company
outsourced. The people helped us learn, but just barely...

After they leave is when you learn that you got hosed..

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

did you read the article?

they lose unemployment benefits if they don't....

that's fucked.

if they are going to offshore these jobs, people should be laid off and get benefits without having to go through that degradation.

Did you read the article? Do you have a job? Do you go there at the point of a gun? You may 'have to work' because you 'need the money' but you do not have to work at that job. You can choose another one. You can decide to leave your employment at any time, for any reason.

It is degrading. It is also voluntary. Unemployment benefits are not mandatory; having a job does not guarantee you will always have a job and it is not the role of the taxpayer to support those whose jobs are lost.

All you are doing is saying "I want it my way". Your arguments have no validity at all. You just want big brother to help you.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

so i'm an idiot because i think it's a crock of BS that now we're losing white collar jobs so someone else's pockets can get lined just a little bit more? the loss of manufacturing jobs isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the loss of white collar jobs is.

what is the difference? Because people went to Assplugger State College for 4 years and got a degree in business they should be guaranteed a job forever? Please explain.

what's going to be left if we outsource all these jobs? working in fast food or being one of the few rich people that control all the money.

What was the highest level course in economics that you ever took?

and my comments about someone taking an AK-47 into a board meeting....with all the lunitics in this world, it wouldn't shock me if someone did that. but i guess i'm an idiot because i happen to agree that all this outsourcing is bad for us overall and hurts people financially. yes, it may create some lower prices for goods and services, but who's going to be able to buy those goods and services when everyone is unemployed due to outsourcing?

AK is way too big, maybe an MP-5.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

They have them between a rock and a hard place because they need to feed their families.

this is the consequence of their own actions. No one is forced to feed a family if they don't want to have one. You are not issued a family; people instead choose to have one, which results in positive and negative consequences. This decision, though, is not made at gunpoint.

Most businesses are run by greedy scum.

Yep, the same ones that created the job you took voluntarily.

Vote for Bush and expect more of the same.

Um, would you prefer socialism? Your job at people's paint factory #4 would be safe.

My own company just did this to us. We are contractors and we lost the bid at the company where I work. The company wanted all of us to stay when the new contractors take over. The company that I work for will not release us, they would rather us be laid off because they didn't get the contract.

Are you free to leave? Or did you agree to stay?

We have some bullshit clause in our contract that says we can't work for a competitor if they take over, until a year has passed. That shouldn't even be legal.

Is that the same clause you agreed to when you took the job? What you are really saying is that it should be illegal for people to make voluntary agreements with other people. You are saying that people lack this ability and someone (government I guess?) should step in and make their decisions for them. Nice, Komrade.

A person has a right to make a living and they're interfering with that right. Low life bastards.

You have a right to try to make a living . You do not have the right to a job; no one must provide one for you. Ironically, in advocating the right to make a living, you are restricting people from choosing the living they wish to make.


You should have moved to Russia in 1918. You'd have fit right in.

 

[Y_lifter]

Judging by Matt's posts, I can tell it's getting close to April 15th..

 

[Apöllo]

If my replacement was a woman I would run a TRAIN on her.

 

[jerkbox]

Did you read the article? Do you have a job? Do you go there at the point of a gun? You may 'have to work' because you 'need the money' but you do not have to work at that job. You can choose another one. You can decide to leave your employment at any time, for any reason.

It is degrading. It is also voluntary. Unemployment benefits are not mandatory; having a job does not guarantee you will always have a job and it is not the role of the taxpayer to support those whose jobs are lost.

All you are doing is saying "I want it my way". Your arguments have no validity at all. You just want big brother to help you.

you know, people who think like you are the reason people hate their jobs, and go to work and do as little as possible to get a paycheck.

you don't have much of a concept of morality when it comes to making money do ya?

 

[juve]

don't train replacments => halt wage adjustments => contribue to unemployment - concurrently irrelevant due to econ rebound and employment expansion, so why not train after-all?

 

[collegiateLifter]

you're ok for now though baldbox. they havn't developed technology to eliminate fast food workers yet.



so i'm an idiot because i think it's a crock of BS that now we're losing white collar jobs so someone else's pockets can get lined just a little bit more? the loss of manufacturing jobs isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the loss of white collar jobs is. what's going to be left if we outsource all these jobs? working in fast food or being one of the few rich people that control all the money.

and my comments about someone taking an AK-47 into a board meeting....with all the lunitics in this world, it wouldn't shock me if someone did that. but i guess i'm an idiot because i happen to agree that all this outsourcing is bad for us overall and hurts people financially. yes, it may create some lower prices for goods and services, but who's going to be able to buy those goods and services when everyone is unemployed due to outsourcing?

your anger is justified imo.

But approval of murder in such a case is idiotic (especially when you step back and look at the comparisons with bin-laden and muslim extremists coming over here to bomb us, and the perceived roles are of course reversed --- where you are the rich bad guy fuckin over the poor, and they have their populist hero of sorts come over here and blow up innocent people.... and many arabs approve of indiscriminately killing Americans. Do you?)

Also the idea that everyone will be unemployed due to outsourcing is rather misplaced too, though somewhat understandable. Outsourcing will not lead to a worldwide Depression. Ricardo's comparative advantage is still very much alive, though the specifics have changed.

In the short term there will be people hurting and thats why I suggested something like training your replacement in exchange for helping you get training to gain new skills.

Also people should realize that protectionist policies do hurt world poverty. Aid helps poor countries in the short run, but 3rd world countries need free trade so that they can develop and be significantly better off in the long run.

 

[collegiateLifter]

you know, people who think like you are the reason people hate their jobs, and go to work and do as little as possible to get a paycheck.

you don't have much of a concept of morality when it comes to making money do ya?

I think you may or may not be right about morality.

Within Matt's own system of morality he is correct.

His theorizing though reflects a lack of concern for the well being and emotions of people but not neccessarily morality.

 

[Razorguns]

Oh, so it's O-KAY for employers to hold Unemployment Benefits as a form of blackmail to force them to do something they never signed on to do?

Oh that's real american and great business sense. Personally i think that should be made illegal. If a company is forcing you to train your replacement otherwise you don't get unemployment -- you should have the RIGHT to quit and say F U to corporate blackmail.

Allow this. And soon companies will be allowed to turn up the heat to force you to quit. Force you to stand while you work. We could go on and on about lovely ways they can FORCE you to train or quit. Your choice.

Now if they allow you to quit and still get unemployment -- that's fine. Now if they allow that, but give you a big bonus at the dn fi you stay. That's fine too. But blackmail and heavy-handed tactics to take advantage of the middle-class is bullshit.

And you WONDER why no employees have ANY dedication or loyalty to their employers anymore. Very very few people i know put 110% effort into their jobs anymore. Why? Why the fuck should they? it's not in THERI business sense to do so. It's in their best interest to do as little as poissible they can get away with.

Treat employees like crap, they work like crap. It's in chapter 1 of the business book. Any company that works like that, doesn't stay in business long.

 

[Wynn]

I have trained my replacements. The first time it happened I worried in the back of my mind that it meant I was getting the ax instead of what they had offered. At the time I was the "night guy" working from afternoons to evenings. One of the operations staff was moving on and since I knew most of his work anyway they said I could take his place. I trained the new night guys, two part timers, and worked from 9am to 9pm for most of late 1997 as a result. One got fired because he was a dick(he did not care about doing his work properly) and the other graduated from high school and left to go to college. I had trained 3 more people after that until they hired ones that would stay.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

you know, people who think like you are the reason people hate their jobs, and go to work and do as little as possible to get a paycheck.

Hmmm...That's interesting. We have ~115 employees and we have 1600 resumes received to join us.

We find that we attract talented people who come here and do well. Our culture is not the drudgery, the day to day nonsense that many people perceive when they think of "office work".

you don't have much of a concept of morality when it comes to making money do ya?

Well, let's see. We created 100+ jobs. American jobs, with an average salary of $55K US annually. We provide stock options for about 40% of the company. You tell me.