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Would You Have Sex With Someone Using A Condom Knowing They Had Hiv?

Well, Would You?

  • YES

    Votes: 114 13.8%

  • NO

    Votes: 706 85.7%
  • Total voters
    824
alanchiras said:
Why are there so many Homosexuals on this board??

<sigh> because Gay men like to take care of their bodies??? Thanks! Alan.
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Well alen That was an attempt to get an honest question answered!
As 2 your sigh Who cares Stop being a gay man and just be a man.
Keep your personal business personal and theirs no problem.

Sorry for the agressive response but the Everyones so stupid sigh PISSES ME OFF. SO either give me a real answer or dont respond!
 
the answer is no. you can scream get educated till your blue in the face, nothing is worth that.

b fold asked, what if you were in love? well, maybe im cold and heartless, but it wouldnt matter. maybe my unyielding logic, and my enlightened self interest is blinding me, but im sure later on down the road i can find someone else to love. but if your dead, or you contract a disease that alienates you from society, your FUCKED.

anyone who would not tell someone they have aids for fear of losing them needs to die. miserably. you seriously think that because you have aids you have lonliness by the balls? get off the cross fellas, we need it for firewood. alot more than terminal illness cuts you off from ppl. deformities, missing limbs, even social outlooks not understood/comforting to the mainstream can all make life damned tough on you.

im not trying to add misery to your life. but come on. you have your own complexes to get over before you need even poke your nose over my fence.
 
Interesting thread.

There is a book out by Dr Stuart Brody called "Sex at Risk". Very well received by his peers.

I don't have this book on hand right now, but I do remember that his research indicated that heterosexual couples that engaged in vaginal sex only WITHOUT condoms had an extremely low % of the "uninfected " partner converting to positive on an antibody test for the so called HIV virus.

Something like .009% seroconverted.

HIV. Interesting subject.
 
Supersport, this was confirmed in a very controversial cover story in POZ magazing called 'Weve got the Juice". Even those that DO convert are usually long tern non progressors at that!!! HIV is a difficult subject to get your hands around. Thanks! Alan.
 
alanchiras said:
Supersport, this was confirmed in a very controversial cover story in POZ magazing called 'Weve got the Juice". Even those that DO convert are usually long tern non progressors at that!!! HIV is a difficult subject to get your hands around. Thanks! Alan.
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thats because it doesnt exist buddy, glad to see you hear Supersport
 
Richard85 said:
thats because it doesnt exist buddy, glad to see you hear Supersport
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Hello Richard...

I saw my old friend Einstein was/is here...felt like we could resume our HIV discussion that we started on another board.
 
so how many people are dying from aids these days? and how long have they been infected for on average before death?
 
If I was married to her and knew I wanted to spend the rest of my life with her. Absolutely yes.

It would be worth the risk.. and if I caught it. Then I would accept my fate to die with her. A life without sex wouldnt be a life worth living anyways.
 
Milo Hobgoblin said:
If I was married to her and knew I wanted to spend the rest of my life with her. Absolutely yes.

It would be worth the risk.. and if I caught it. Then I would accept my fate to die with her. A life without sex wouldnt be a life worth living anyways.
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You can find lots of women but you only have one life. Besides, don't you want kids???
 
Look everybody, im green on these boards so I wont gt too preachy, but some of the ignorance on display here is pissing me right off.

Some of yo act as if there is no such thing as "safe sex". With safe sex, you cannot get infected. I speak from deep experience. My partner has been hiv positive since early nineties, (93/94) and he knew he had it when we met. It never mattered to me, i fell in madly in love and deeply in lust its as simple as that.

And let me tell you, I have had receptive anal intercourse with this man thousands of times and I have never come close to getting infected. Sure, it takes work. but if you love someone, it isnt hard to do. You have to factor in the love factor.
 
I already have kids and dont want anymore.. and yes there a lot of women out there.

But in my entire life.. through 2 marriages and mroe relationships than Hugh Hefner.. I have only felt true love twice in my life.

Its not something you toss away. If I was with my true love.. it wouldnt matter to me.. Id have protected sex with her without a second thought.
 
asteroth said:
Condom,or not...the issue is irelevant,as far as hiv transmision is concerned...

HiV positive individuals are already immuned to the HIV virus,as indicated by the presense of "positive' antibodies,in their blood;

Thus,the level of active HIV in their body is almost zero,or non existant..i.e they have no active virus to transmit(statistically speaking it would take a 1000 sexual encounters to have a successful transmision,if at all..);
Ask any impartial scientist,the HIV virus is nowhere to be found in HIV positive individuals,or AIDS patients.

Condoms,should still be used to prevent transmission of other sexually transmitted diseases
See my thread:"The Aids Controversy",and reeducate yourself by visiting the "aidsmyth.com"

Asteroth

(not sure if i should be editing this or not, if you have unprotected sex with someone with HIV you can catch it period

the 1/1000 infectibilty rate is theoretical for MEN. for women it is 1/100. in practise i think its 1/500 for men. also just because it is 1/1000 doesnt meen you have to sleep with an HIV postive person 1000 times to get it. use common sense. it only takes 1 encounter to catch the cirus, if you do you are unlucky but look round the world, why are the no's of aids pateients rising? by sleepng with someone 999 times you really think this will magically make you immune to HIV)

if you wanna protect yourself in the best way possible, use a high quality synthetic latex condom correctkly and safely. and that website (aidsmyth) is scary.....that someone would place false information out there and try and cover it up as real)
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totally. check out the www.aliveandwell.org website too
last year i had sex with a friend of mine i didnt know was positive, and he's been positive for 10 years...im perfectly healthy. would i do it again? sure. i'd play safe too though. ;)
 
If the chic was hotter than hell, more than likely I wouldn't ask if she was Positive. So, my horny self would fuck the sh*t out of her.

If I knew for sure she was positive, hell, I would probably still do it with a condom.

Yea, I need help, luckily I'm 30 years old and have never had anything. :)


Just being honest, I could of said, HELL NO!
 
Hell na your crazy think about all the others that dont have H.I.V. Their are tons out their. The only way I could see doing it would be if I was guaranteed not to get sick and it was for a good cause or something.
 
Boy, these posts sure are awful.

I've had HIV for 23 years. In that time, I've had a number of HIV-negative boyfriends and had a TON of sex with them. They are all still negative.

Why did they take such a "horrible" risk? Because I'm smart, funny, attractive and WORTH IT! And because they didn't live in fear.

Using a condom isn't rocket-science, people - you put it on, use the right lube, and it doesn't break.

The really stupid guys are the starngers who ask my HIV status before sex, like that's going to protect them! If you believe what a stranger tells you about their HIV status, you really are a dolt.
 
marknyc said:
Boy, these posts sure are awful.

I've had HIV for 23 years. In that time, I've had a number of HIV-negative boyfriends and had a TON of sex with them. They are all still negative.

Why did they take such a "horrible" risk? Because I'm smart, funny, attractive and WORTH IT! And because they didn't live in fear.

Using a condom isn't rocket-science, people - you put it on, use the right lube, and it doesn't break.

The really stupid guys are the starngers who ask my HIV status before sex, like that's going to protect them! If you believe what a stranger tells you about their HIV status, you really are a dolt.
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:rainbow: I agree with you. Asking what their status is will not help you decide if you want to have sex with that person. If you are already at that stage of " Sex" then you are already invested. If you have feelings for a person, then what their status is should not matter. If you do use it as a tool , as to who you will be involved with, then I pitty you, you might be passing up on your soulmate. Just use a condom, after all it's use is not only to protect you from HIV, there are many other STD's in this world.
:beer: here's to you Mark
 
I think it would depenend on circumstances. I'm not sure if im supposed to write here ..i'm straight but i was curious to see what was in this section.

I think if i developed a relationship with someone and had real feelings for them I would. If i just meet a guy and he said.,"hey babe i got aids, wanna F**K".. no way..

I also think alot of ppl have trouble admiting what theywould do.. half the time people don't even bother asking these important questions to potential partners..
 
Prettylittlepest said:
I think it would depenend on circumstances. I'm not sure if im supposed to write here ..i'm straight but i was curious to see what was in this section.

I think if i developed a relationship with someone and had real feelings for them I would. If i just meet a guy and he said.,"hey babe i got aids, wanna F**K".. no way..

I also think alot of ppl have trouble admiting what theywould do.. half the time people don't even bother asking these important questions to potential partners..
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:rainbow: ok...I dont want you take this the wrong way ....your sexual preference has nothing to do with this issue. AIDS attacks everyone. I can tell you , a person that has AIDS would never be so rude to tell a potiential sex partner in such a way as you suggested. It is a very unnerving thing to tell a person that you have it. If that person felt enough for you, to tell you about it. Then consider yourself very lucky. I do agree with the rest of your statement.
I hope I wasn't to harsh, :p
 
babybodybuilder2.5 said:
:rainbow: ok...I dont want you take this the wrong way ....your sexual preference has nothing to do with this issue. AIDS attacks everyone. I can tell you , a person that has AIDS would never be so rude to tell a potiential sex partner in such a way as you suggested. It is a very unnerving thing to tell a person that you have it. If that person felt enough for you, to tell you about it. Then consider yourself very lucky. I do agree with the rest of your statement.
I hope I wasn't to harsh, :p
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Hahahhaa well.. i didn't mean anything about the me being straight comment i know aids has no barriers.. and speaking froma girl.. u wouldn't beleive some of the shit guys have said when asking to sleep with u .. so :P
 
Prettylittlepest said:
Hahahhaa well.. i didn't mean anything about the me being straight comment i know aids has no barriers.. and speaking froma girl.. u wouldn't beleive some of the shit guys have said when asking to sleep with u .. so :P
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:rainbow: Ok...all is cool..... :)
 
There is truth to that saying you've slept with everyone they've slept with and the people those people slept with. Along the line there can be fuck ups and people do get HIV/AIDS.

I think people that go clubbin on a weekly basis and sleep with a different person at least 2x per month on average over several years span have slept with someone that was HIV positive and didn't know and the person who had it may or may not have known they had it.

The reason these people don't have HIV at this point is that they either used a condom 100% of the time that didn't break or slip off, they used a condom most of the time and are lucky, or they rarely used a condom at all and are blessed by god, but are still complete assclowns for even taking the risk.

I remember hearing something that 1 or more people in a hundred is HIV positive. It's probably more than that.

Imo, anytime you sleep with a man or woman, even if using a condom, not having had them tested, then you are essentially poking around in the great unknown because you do not know if they have it or not. It doesn't matter how healthy or clean they look. And condoms can and do break or slip off so you're not exactly 100% protected.
 
For me, the chance is not worth it. Sex is important and sex is fun...but not worth risking my life and my dreams for a few moments of pleasure.
 
babybodybuilder2.5 said:
:rainbow: I agree with you. Asking what their status is will not help you decide if you want to have sex with that person. If you are already at that stage of " Sex" then you are already invested. If you have feelings for a person, then what their status is should not matter.
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Agreed.
 
They Had HCv?

Too cheap to go Platinum said:
Hi, L_Seven :wavey:
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awe hi sweetie :rolleyes:
 
Originally Posted by babybodybuilder2.5
I agree with you. Asking what their status is will not help you decide if you want to have sex with that person. If you are already at that stage of " Sex" then you are already invested. If you have feelings for a person, then what their status is should not matter.


you have got to be joking.
 
NihilistIllusion said:
Originally Posted by babybodybuilder2.5
I agree with you. Asking what their status is will not help you decide if you want to have sex with that person. If you are already at that stage of " Sex" then you are already invested. If you have feelings for a person, then what their status is should not matter.


you have got to be joking.
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:rainbow: I'm from the old school. I think sleeping around just for the fun of having sex is wrong. If you aren't connected with a person how can you have sex with them. If Getting off is all you desire, then use your hands.
 
Nope! No way

OK then, you people keep having this attuide, and HIV+ people will not disclose to you before having sex with you or will be dishonest on purpose. Just a thought. Alan Chiras.
 
Hells Nos!!! Scarey how many of us do take chances when we pick up from bars and that.... shiverssss--- keeping mine in my drawers this week
 
I dated a girl and found out she had herpes, i know that's not even the same sport, let alone the same ballpark, but i did have sex with her and didn't use rubbers. The thing was i thought we were gonna get married and when we eventually broke up, i was nervous as hell and got tested right away. FRrom that experience, i know i would never do something similar again.
 
Ever heard of monogomy. Knowing and not knowing are two totally different things. When people are drunk and they don't know they say fuck it. However if those same people were drunk and knew there is no way they would.

superdave said:
This is interesting, you say you wouldnt even take the chance. Well, what are you doing every time you fuck someone with or without a condom? Did you go to the clinic while she got a blood test to see if she had an STD?
This is the wholepoint of this thread, everyone says no way, but in real life that is what we do all the time. Just pointing out reality.
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No Way!
 
HELL NO! NEVER however you dont know if the person have HIV or not so its bette to be safe than sorry.... However Britney or Christina, hmmmm i will have to think REAL HARD :)

Latin
 
you already may have had sex with someone who is positive........they didn't know yet or didn't tell you...............ALWAYS wrap that tool!!
 
GoldenDelicious said:
only if i loved her so much i couldnt live without her and couldnt care if i died, yes.

as a girlfriend or one nighter..no fucking way

plus i would sprinkle antivirals all over my dick lol
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Lol

:laugh2:
 
If it was my current girl, because I love her so much.(yeah, right.) HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe if I already had it, but I'm assuming the question implied that you don't.
 
No I would not take that risk.I dont want to go out like that.If I did get it who's going to be around to protect my children and educate them about such important matters like this if I die a horrible premature death?
 
No way, condoms or ne contraceptive is 100% so I am 100% abstinent in the HIV catagory. I watched one person i was close to die of AIDS, My best friend has it and a friend of the family...........watching the process is so ....there's no words to describe it
 
I guess George Bush and his right-wing misinformation campaign have been very effective! PEOPLE: Condoms Work! When you use them correctly, they are over 99% effective! Any other number you hear from the religious right is BS. My boyfriend is HIV negative, I am positive, we have had sex hundreds of times, and he is still negative! HIV is not easy to transmit, and if you use condoms correctly, they do not break. Get yourself informed and play safe.
 
You said it Mark. In my demostrations about condom safety I blow one up to fit completly over my head (No not THAT head!). JUST ONE THING, DON'T USE PLANNED PARENHOOD'S CONDOMS, THEY ARE NOT OF HIGH QUALITY AS TEATED BY CONSUMER REPORT. Thanks! Alan Chiras.
 
alanchiras said:
Nope! No way

OK then, you people keep having this attuide, and HIV+ people will not disclose to you before having sex with you or will be dishonest on purpose. Just a thought. Alan Chiras.
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well then, they wont have to worry about dieing of AIDS, ill be happy to help them along.

that you would even say something like that is amazing. i almost want to ask if you have done something like that, i wouldnt be surprised.

you do not have a right to sex. and expecting anyone to take a risk, no matter how small you think it is, is ignorant.

here you are, dieing of aids with terrible side effects from treatment and the disease. life crushing depression. and you WANT and EXPECT ppl to take a chance of suffering your same fate because they 'most likely' wouldnt get it. evidently, all those meds have effected your faculties

ad then, this passive aggressive threat for not playing russian roulette with my life....
 
If you know someone is HIV pos when they come on to you, I can’t imagine how you wouldn’t get a limp dick.

If you are already in a serious relationship, then that’s a different story.
 
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HiV positive individuals are already immuned to the HIV virus,as indicated by the presense of "positive' antibodies,in their blood;

They are not immune. Immune means you can't catch something and of course there is not antinodies b/c the body has no antibodies to fight off the disease.

Thus,the level of active HIV in their body is almost zero,or non existant..i.e they have no active virus to transmit(statistically speaking it would take a 1000 sexual encounters to have a successful transmision,if at all..);
Ask any impartial scientist,the HIV virus is nowhere to be found in HIV positive individuals,or AIDS patients.

HIV can be dorminate in the body for up to ten years, but it is always active. In the dorminate phase the virus incorporates itself into the persons DNA and uses the cells on replication mechanism to replicate itself. When the disease decides to come out of hiding it makes the cell kill itself and release the virus in the blood stream to infect other cells and the cycle keeps repeating itself. It only takes one exchange of body fluids to get it period no matter if it's a hetrosexual or homosexual relationship. So please do not post something you have no idea what you are talking about.


Condoms,should still be used to prevent transmission of other sexually transmitted diseases
See my thread:"The Aids Controversy",and reeducate yourself by visiting the "aidsmyth.com"

Asteroth

(not sure if i should be editing this or not, if you have unprotected sex with someone with HIV you can catch it period

the 1/1000 infectibilty rate is theoretical for MEN. for women it is 1/100. in practise i think its 1/500 for men. also just because it is 1/1000 doesnt meen you have to sleep with an HIV postive person 1000 times to get it. use common sense. it only takes 1 encounter to catch the cirus, if you do you are unlucky but look round the world, why are the no's of aids pateients rising? by sleepng with someone 999 times you really think this will magically make you immune to HIV)

if you wanna protect yourself in the best way possible, use a high quality synthetic latex condom correctkly and safely. and that website (aidsmyth) is scary.....that someone would place false information out there and try and cover it up as real)[/QUOTE]
 
shamrock11 said:
HiV positive individuals are already immuned to the HIV virus,as indicated by the presense of "positive' antibodies,in their blood;

They are not immune. Immune means you can't catch something and of course there is not antinodies b/c the body has no antibodies to fight off the disease.

Thus,the level of active HIV in their body is almost zero,or non existant..i.e they have no active virus to transmit(statistically speaking it would take a 1000 sexual encounters to have a successful transmision,if at all..);
Ask any impartial scientist,the HIV virus is nowhere to be found in HIV positive individuals,or AIDS patients.

HIV can be dorminate in the body for up to ten years, but it is always active. In the dorminate phase the virus incorporates itself into the persons DNA and uses the cells on replication mechanism to replicate itself. When the disease decides to come out of hiding it makes the cell kill itself and release the virus in the blood stream to infect other cells and the cycle keeps repeating itself. It only takes one exchange of body fluids to get it period no matter if it's a hetrosexual or homosexual relationship. So please do not post something you have no idea what you are talking about.


Condoms,should still be used to prevent transmission of other sexually transmitted diseases
See my thread:"The Aids Controversy",and reeducate yourself by visiting the "aidsmyth.com"

Asteroth

(not sure if i should be editing this or not, if you have unprotected sex with someone with HIV you can catch it period

the 1/1000 infectibilty rate is theoretical for MEN. for women it is 1/100. in practise i think its 1/500 for men. also just because it is 1/1000 doesnt meen you have to sleep with an HIV postive person 1000 times to get it. use common sense. it only takes 1 encounter to catch the cirus, if you do you are unlucky but look round the world, why are the no's of aids pateients rising? by sleepng with someone 999 times you really think this will magically make you immune to HIV)

if you wanna protect yourself in the best way possible, use a high quality synthetic latex condom correctkly and safely. and that website (aidsmyth) is scary.....that someone would place false information out there and try and cover it up as real)
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LOL.... you have no idea what you are talking about... :smshot:
 
With a condom, yes I would. I know HIV/AIDS is not as easy to transmit as people think. Using a condom correctly you have little to worry about. People are just parranoid... understandably though when you're talking about a disease that could possibly kill you.
 
I voted yes. I could see myself having sex with a girl (using a condom) who had HIV. And I'd respect the hell out of a girl who had the character and integrity to tell me up front. Obviously if someone cared enough about me to tell me something like that up front (and the relationship had reached that point) I would be a pretty significant person in their life. If they told me it's because they care deeply about me and are trying to protect me as best they can, not cause me any harm. They have my best interests at heart. Think about it, if someone had HIV, do you think they'd be spending their time with just anyone? They've probably had enough relationships turn sour over telling people to be a little jaded. You'd mean a lot to someone for them to go out on a limb like that knowing the relationship could end then and there. Imagine the fear, perhaps embarrassment, and potential humiliation, pain, and ridicule they could be subjecting themselves to in such a situation telling someone they cared deeply for they're HIV+. They won't know how you'll react, but they are putting their trust in you that you'll be understanding. I wouldn't overlook someone because of that setback. In fact, I'd probably admire them moreso because they could have hidden it. I definitely wouldn't end a relationship with a chick who was HIV+ solely because there would be limits/precautions on what we could do together sexually.

I'm really saddened by the negative and demeaning nature of some members' comments. Those who are HIV+ are real people, with real emotions, feelings and love. They feel joy, pain, and love the same as the rest of us do. They are no less deserving of understanding, compassion, and love than anyone else. No less.

Please have some respect and decency, whichever way you lean on this matter. It's not like anyone ever asked to be HIV+.
 
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Diesel_Smoke said:
I voted yes. I could see myself having sex with a girl (using a condom) who had HIV. And I'd respect the hell out of a girl who had the character and integrity to tell me up front. Obviously if someone cared enough about me to tell me something like that up front (and the relationship had reached that point) I would be a pretty significant person in their life. If they told me it's because they care deeply about me and are trying to protect me as best they can, not cause me any harm. They have my best interests at heart. Think about it, if someone had HIV, do you think they'd be spending their time with just anyone? They've probably had enough relationships turn sour over telling people to be a little jaded. You'd mean a lot to someone for them to go out on a limb like that knowing the relationship could end then and there. Imagine the fear, perhaps embarrassment, and potential humiliation, pain, and ridicule they could be subjecting themselves to in such a situation telling someone they cared deeply for they're HIV+. They won't know how you'll react, but they are putting their trust in you that you'll be understanding. I wouldn't overlook someone because of that setback. In fact, I'd probably admire them moreso because they could have hidden it. I definitely wouldn't end a relationship with a chick who was HIV+ solely because there would be limits/precautions on what we could do together sexually.

I'm really saddened by the negative and demeaning nature of some members' comments. Those who are HIV+ are real people, with real emotions, feelings and love. They feel joy, pain, and love the same as the rest of us do. They are no less deserving of understanding, compassion, and love than anyone else. No less.

Please have some respect and decency, whichever way you lean on this matter. It's not like anyone ever asked to be HIV+.
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WOW....Fantastic. I'm almost speechless.... ;) My hand reaches out to you my friend..... ;)
It was really great reading your reply. I hope some of the other members will read it and understand what you said.

BBB :rainbow:
 
Diesel_Smoke said:
I voted yes. I could see myself having sex with a girl (using a condom) who had HIV. And I'd respect the hell out of a girl who had the character and integrity to tell me up front. Obviously if someone cared enough about me to tell me something like that up front (and the relationship had reached that point) I would be a pretty significant person in their life. If they told me it's because they care deeply about me and are trying to protect me as best they can, not cause me any harm. They have my best interests at heart. Think about it, if someone had HIV, do you think they'd be spending their time with just anyone? They've probably had enough relationships turn sour over telling people to be a little jaded. You'd mean a lot to someone for them to go out on a limb like that knowing the relationship could end then and there. Imagine the fear, perhaps embarrassment, and potential humiliation, pain, and ridicule they could be subjecting themselves to in such a situation telling someone they cared deeply for they're HIV+. They won't know how you'll react, but they are putting their trust in you that you'll be understanding. I wouldn't overlook someone because of that setback. In fact, I'd probably admire them moreso because they could have hidden it. I definitely wouldn't end a relationship with a chick who was HIV+ solely because there would be limits/precautions on what we could do together sexually.

I'm really saddened by the negative and demeaning nature of some members' comments. Those who are HIV+ are real people, with real emotions, feelings and love. They feel joy, pain, and love the same as the rest of us do. They are no less deserving of understanding, compassion, and love than anyone else. No less.

Please have some respect and decency, whichever way you lean on this matter. It's not like anyone ever asked to be HIV+.
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Bro, I really, really respect than and could not have put it in better words.
 
For your information it is very very hard for a man to catch HIV from a woman through sexual intercourse. Both the man AND the women would have to have some kind of skin breakage ( cut ) in the area of the genitals or a person would not catch the virus. I had an ex girlfriend catch the disease after I stopped going out with her and so have donme some studying on the subject. I have also had sex with her on a couple of occasions with a condome and have had little worry about catching tyhe virus because of what I know about the chances of catching it that way. A woman is much more likely to catch it from a man than a man is from a women at the worst of times. A person could have unprotected sex with a female that had it and still not catch it in other words unless the conditions were just right - with protection a person is literally almost totally safe - so the guy who wants to stick it to Britney would have no worries should he use the proper protection - guaranteed. It is mostly peoples ignorance on this subject that increases their fear of having even protected sex with someone who is HIV positive. I hope this helps some to understand better the facts of the situation.
 
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pgrimmydog said:
My wife has hiv and I love her with all my heart. She is my whole world and life. I know that I am protected when I make love to her. These people that are so afraid are very unedecated. My wife is the must important person in my life and I love her. Nothing will come between our love. She is the best thing that has ever happened to me and I'm not worried about it. You can email me privately anytime if you want to talk to me. Everybody else should get more educated about this problem.
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^^Agree with pgrimmydog


Being HIV+ does not mean that your life is over or that you should be treated any differently. If you know someone is HIV+ and are also aware of their lifestyle then the risk can be reduced so that you can still have a sexual relationship. It does not mean that there is no risk but atleast you can both make an informed decision.

There are countless couples, heterosexual and gay, who carry on normal relationships despite the fact that one of them is HIV+. The reason for this is because they know their partner's lifestyle, they understand the associated risks, and they have educated themself on the topic. Wearing a condom only makes you more responsible. It does not make you educated.

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locrian said:
if you would then your a dumbass
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Not Cool at all.....!! In your avitar your location states " never can get enough knowledge"
Try using your own advice....pick up a book or do some research on HIV transmissions and safty guide lines....!!!!

BBB :rainbow:
 
superdave said:
This should be interesting.
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Well a very good question.
Here two situations arise

1) When both people are infected
2)


Lets take both cases

1) 1) When both people are infected
WHAT IF BOTH PEOPLE ARE ALREADY INFECTED?
Some people who are HIV-infected don't see the need to follow safer sex guidelines when they are sexual with other infected people. However, it still makes sense to "play safe". If you don't, you could be exposed to other sexually transmitted infections such as herpes or syphilis. If you already have HIV, these diseases can be more serious.

Also, you might get "re-infected" with a different strain of HIV. This new version of HIV might not be controlled by the medications you are taking. It might also be resistant to other HIV antiviral drugs. There is no way of knowing how risky it is for two HIV-positive people to have unsafe sex. Following the guidelines for safer sex will reduce the risk.


2) When only one partner is affected

If two people are having safe sex then, even if one person is infected, there is no possibility of the other person becoming infected.

So in both cases the conclusion is practice safe sex.
 
Re: Being with somebody

no affence to people who like living on the egde but to have sex with someone knowing that they had watever.is either thick as pig shit or dusnt like life very much! :evil:
 
bluefin said:
If two people are having safe sex then, even if one person is infected, there is no possibility of the other person becoming infected.
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"No possibility"??? Oh please name a 100% effective safe sex technique???
 
Well, nothing is 100%, but if you use a condom correctly, the risk of transmission is very low - they are over 99% effective.

I have HIV, and my boyfriend does not. We have had tons of sex over the last 3 years, and he just tested negative again last month. We use a condom every time, and it's no problem!

Mark
 
marknyc said:
Well, nothing is 100%, but if you use a condom correctly, the risk of transmission is very low - they are over 99% effective.

I have HIV, and my boyfriend does not. We have had tons of sex over the last 3 years, and he just tested negative again last month. We use a condom every time, and it's no problem!

Mark
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Good to hear that your boyfirend and you are using protection...may you both be happy together for a very long time... ;)

BBB :rainbow:
 
markshark said:
id do it without a condom because i never get any pussy. id rather get aids then die a virgin.
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That was really funny even though this is a serious topic. I had a sexual encounter with someone who had full blown AIDS, and I did not know at the time. I had unprotected oral, and almost had totally unprotected sex but did not for some reason(still cant figure out why I am so lucky) I freaked out when I found out a few months later from someone else about their status. I tested negative out to a year and now realise I am negative. I am extremely paranoid about catching diseases and even colds from people. I am one of those people that washes their hands every time I touch something. I cared about this person and I did not get angry with them when we talked about it. I cant imagine how awkward I must have felt when I brought it up. In my year of paranoia thinking I had contracted HIV, I did a lot of research and I realise that this is not an easily contracted disease. I defenitely would have sex with someone (protected) if I knew they had HIV and I was to be in a long term relationship with them. I do not beleive in casual sex.
 
a very good question
i would not take that risk and even if i do i will wear two condoms definitely
so that if one fails or tears the other one will altleast protect me
 
as soon as i knew they did have aids i think decency an knowledge would tell me it is ok, but my dick would tell me no by going limp and curling back up inside my body
 
Well I have had a few unprotected one night stands with girls, I guess thats much more risky. So prehaps I would, depends on the situation, not if I met her that night. If I was horny as hell I may just take the risk anyway

I take recreational drugs sometimes and the risk to my health is in danger there but I still take them
 
I persoanlly wouldn't take that extra risk. Health is key to my life and nothing is more important than my life.
 
If I knew I had a terminal illness and would not live for another 2 years and she was super fine then of course... there are some circumstances where I would.

Just any old ho with HIV?.. nah
 
Do people on this board know about current HIV treatment and the effectiveness of condoms? I'm not saying that either of these factors should affect your decision. It is truly up to the individual in a given situation. There is always risk...its probably more risky to have unprotected sex with a completely random person (which people here have admitted to) than to have protected sex with an HIV+ person.

Even though HIV is a fairly manageable disease these days (if you live right and take your medications), that doesn't make it any less serious. If you don't feel comfortable, don't do it, and if you do, then be careful. Greater spreading of the virus on a large scale is the biggest problem because of the issue of viral mutations. For most individuals right now though, HIV is not a "terminal" illness as some have said...its a chronic illness.

But, like I said...all this is really irrelevant to the question at hand. I just felt it needed to be said because some on here are being extremely ignorant, insensitive, and dehumanizing.
 
Wow there are a lot of varying viewpoints and levels of expertise on here. First of all I wanted to thank Alan Chiras as I have read many of your posts and think that you are doing a good job trying to lessen the stigma of HIV/AIDS. I have a few comments to make, none directed at any specific individuals. I started reading on here because I was curious as to what people would say, and find the issue of HIV/AIDS perplexing, as lately I have noticed it in the media more and have seen some interesting documentaries. I had no idea the many "near misses" by biotechnology companies in formulating vaccines. Now to my main points. If it matters to anyone these views are coming from an HIV- (I get tested annually) 21 year old female heterosexual.

1. "Double wrapping" as some have suggested only makes the act more risky as the friction created by the two condoms rubbing against each other can create large amounts of heat and cause the condom to fail. They can also slip off more easily with this practice.
2. I am very disappointed to see the disrespectful terms and language people have used when answering this question. I am not criticizing people's answers in the yes or no context, we are all entitled to our own opinions, however we can say things respectfully.
3. By using these disrespectful terms the stigma is only perpetuated thus making it more and more difficult for those who are HIV+ to feel like they can disclose their status, which I believe is one of the reasons it is spreading.
4. By perpetuating this stigma you are also contributing to peoples' fears of being tested for HIV, for fear of becoming a part of the group that you stigmatize. The less people who get tested, the less cases are known, the less that can be done to prevent transmission.
5. Hepatitis B is hundreds of times more infectious than HIV, yet no one seems to be worrying about this disease which can also kill.

The bottom line is respect for others and for ourselves, no matter what their/our circumstances. I believe that the most serious health effect from HIV/AIDS in many people is the emotional effects of feeling devalued by society and forced to hide. I think we should all do our part to become educated not only in facts but in morality and in love for one another as fellow humans.

My answer to the question: YES, not casually however if my boyfriend were to become infected somehow I would absolutely stand by his side, as with anyone else I was in a loving and committed relationship with.
 
u get infected by taking it in the ass, soooo and vaginal intercourse is very low risk transmission rate, hmmm. You are more likely to be struck by lightening than to get hiv from unprotected vaginal intercourse man or women.
 
not to degrade anyone who has HIV -but If i know someone has the flu or a cold I do not go over their house until they feel better.
 
superdave said:
This is interesting, you say you wouldnt even take the chance. Well, what are you doing every time you fuck someone with or without a condom? Did you go to the clinic while she got a blood test to see if she had an STD?
This is the wholepoint of this thread, everyone says no way, but in real life that is what we do all the time. Just pointing out reality.
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completely understand your point bro, but that is like standing on a high dive of a pool 10m high and being blindfolded and told to jump and you don't know if it is filled with water or not (Positive or neg HIV) and then having the blind fold off and see that there is no water (Positive for HIV) and still jumping. :):)
 
nokaoibeachgirl said:
You do realize most colds and flus are more infectious than HIV right?
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notta chance---------------unlesss it was someone i was in love with and planned to stay with-=-----------------
 
I've posted on this thread before, and with a few enlighten people on here, I'm still horrified at the responces. Folks, with the attuide you have, you're only going to have more people lie to you because they can't stand the discrimination any more.

I do have something new to add to this thread though and it's call "sero-sorting". Never heard of it??? Well now just like the non-infected will only have sex with each other (Remember - you're driving more and more people to lie about their status), but now HIV positive people are taking THE SAME ATTUIDE and will ONLY have sex with other HIV+ people. When this situation was finally realised by the statistics people who put out the MMWR, they found that at least in the Gay population this is actually working to reduce the number of initial infections at least in America. While the number of Gay men with HIV were not progreassing to AIDS, the numbers of initial infections stayed about even - until about two or three years ago when sero-sorting was taking place, and the numbers of new infections of Gay men in the U. S. are FINALLY decreasing! A lot more goes into this such as negotiations about how sex is praticed before you get into the bedroom, but as draconion as it may sound - it IS working.

This, however is not a blank check for not using safer sex. There are new non-HIV STD's growing in Europe and will sooner or later wash up upon our shores that are so bad you will WISH you were infected with HIV instead of these new STD's. The Netherlands seems to be ground zero for these new infections and it's killing and disfiguring ALL groups of people at a speed 10-15 TIMES the speed of HIV.

Hmmm...Again, I've probally said too much, but it's my job here on this site to give you the best, up to date information I can, but I might have confused more people here that enlightened, so I will try to clarify my remarks when I react to future postings on this thread.

More hate mail <sigh>. Peace, freedom and truth to all of you, Alan Chiras.
 
alanchiras said:
I've posted on this thread before, and with a few enlighten people on here, I'm still horrified at the responces. Folks, with the attuide you have, you're only going to have more people lie to you because they can't stand the discrimination any more.

I do have something new to add to this thread though and it's call "sero-sorting". Never heard of it??? Well now just like the non-infected will only have sex with each other (Remember - you're driving more and more people to lie about their status), but now HIV positive people are taking THE SAME ATTUIDE and will ONLY have sex with other HIV+ people. When this situation was finally realised by the statistics people who put out the MMWR, they found that at least in the Gay population this is actually working to reduce the number of initial infections at least in America. While the number of Gay men with HIV were not progreassing to AIDS, the numbers of initial infections stayed about even - until about two or three years ago when sero-sorting was taking place, and the numbers of new infections of Gay men in the U. S. are FINALLY decreasing! A lot more goes into this such as negotiations about how sex is praticed before you get into the bedroom, but as draconion as it may sound - it IS working.

This, however is not a blank check for not using safer sex. There are new non-HIV STD's growing in Europe and will sooner or later wash up upon our shores that are so bad you will WISH you were infected with HIV instead of these new STD's. The Netherlands seems to be ground zero for these new infections and it's killing and disfiguring ALL groups of people at a speed 10-15 TIMES the speed of HIV.

Hmmm...Again, I've probally said too much, but it's my job here on this site to give you the best, up to date information I can, but I might have confused more people here that enlightened, so I will try to clarify my remarks when I react to future postings on this thread.

More hate mail <sigh>. Peace, freedom and truth to all of you, Alan Chiras.
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Thanks for your post, Alan. You're right, sero-sorting has been helping. That's why it's so important that we work to tear down the stigma of this disease and encourage EVERYONE (straight or gay) to be tested.

That's why it pushes my buttons so much when someone comes into one of these threads and tries to blame all people for the disease through misguided application of religious views. That only makes the stigma worse and makes it impossible to implement things such as sero-sorting.

Interestingly, I've also been reading reports showing that our initial fears of re-infection have gone largely unrealized. Apparently when HIV+ people are engaged in sexual behavior with other HIV+, the chances of re-infection, even with disease resistant strains of the virus is almost nil. Of those who have been infected 2 years or more, there has NEVER been a recorded case of reinfection. Mind you, I am NOT advocating unprotected sex since you're right, there any many other STD's out there. But, at least it's nice to know that if an accident occurs, the likelihood of HIV re-infection is pretty much non-existant.

Keep up the good work.
 
Hi NYBB. Again, you are almost 100% correct in your views, but since I know Dr Bruce Walker of Harvard University (and thru Beth Isreal Deaconess) I can clarify the multiple infections information.

Over the past five or so years, Dr. Walker has tried very hard to make the case for multiple types of HIV in a single host (person) as a way of trying to scare many people including Gay HIV+ men from not barebacking with one another. And what has been the result? After all these years, and about $20 MILLION DOLLARS spent trying to find HIV+ people with multiple, yes indeed he found some - About 20 worldwide!!! Sorry Dr. Walker; good idea, but fails. It seems that the first infection of a human host in well over 99+% of people infected with HIV-1 is that the initinal infection seems to work as a set point so that the VAST majority of people with HIV/AIDS do NOT become co-infected no matter how much and many different strains of HIV they get from multiple sex partners. As crazy as it sounds, if you are doomed to become infected with HIV, you will be much better off if that initial infection is with"wild type" HIV as opoosed to HIV that already has mutated and has already taken on resistance to anti-retrovirals. Amoung Gay men already infected and who pratice sero-sorting, but also bareback and take loads of cum into them, there is a micro-scopic chance of reinfection. This MAY not be the case with HIV-2, but that has not been researched as of yet.

I think I may be way over the heads of many in here now, so I'm going to stop now, but there is much more to this story. Thanks for you supportive words and reason - it helps in here to do my job. Yours, Alan Chiras.
 
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