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Taking 2 orals like D-bol and Winstrol at the same time for about 8 weeks straight?
Would this be a REALLY bad idea?
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Carth said:
Whether or not it causes trouble for your liver depends the combined dosage of the 2 AAS and your liver's ability to deal with it. If you had you liver enzymes checked before the cycle, then again at weeks 3 and 6 then I don't think it would be a bad idea.
If you get elevated values while on cycle, just discontinue and it will be out of your system in a couple days.
SuperDawgy
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Carth said:
What kind of D-bol dose are you thinking about?
35mg per day
SuperDawgy
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If you're going 35mg on "D", i'd stay under 50mg on winny. Not so sure i really like that stack though? I guess you're thinking that the winny will off set the bloating effect of D-bol?
My all time favorite mass bulking cycle WAS the following
Weeks 1-10 Test E at 1250mgs per week
Weeks 1-10 Deca at 600mgs per week
Weeks 1-10 Winny V at 50mg EOD
Weeks 1-5 Anadrol at 50mgs per day
Weeks 3,5,7 and 9 4ius of Humalog preWO and 8ius postWO
And throughout the cycle, 50mgs of Proviron ED with 10mg of Nolvadex ED.
I now want to change it up a bit. Maybe this....
Weeks 1-10 Test E at 1250 per week
Weeks 1-5 Dbol at 35 mg per day
Weeks 1-10 Tren at 100mgs per day
Weeks 1-10 50mgs or Winstrol tabs per day
Weeks 1-10 GH at 6ius per day
Weeks 3,5,7,9 2ius of Humalog preWO and 6ius post
Proviron at 50mg per day, and Adex at .5mg per day.
I just like adding Winny and Proviron to large amounts of Test. It just seems to make more more harder, stronger, somewhat leaner and grow more. Plus, there is some people that say that winny might counteract the progesterone effects of Tren. So that is why I want to add it in there as well.
Weeks 1-10 Test E at 1250mgs per week
Weeks 1-10 Deca at 600mgs per week
Weeks 1-10 Winny V at 50mg EOD
Weeks 1-5 Anadrol at 50mgs per day
Weeks 3,5,7 and 9 4ius of Humalog preWO and 8ius postWO
And throughout the cycle, 50mgs of Proviron ED with 10mg of Nolvadex ED.
I now want to change it up a bit. Maybe this....
Weeks 1-10 Test E at 1250 per week
Weeks 1-5 Dbol at 35 mg per day
Weeks 1-10 Tren at 100mgs per day
Weeks 1-10 50mgs or Winstrol tabs per day
Weeks 1-10 GH at 6ius per day
Weeks 3,5,7,9 2ius of Humalog preWO and 6ius post
Proviron at 50mg per day, and Adex at .5mg per day.
I just like adding Winny and Proviron to large amounts of Test. It just seems to make more more harder, stronger, somewhat leaner and grow more. Plus, there is some people that say that winny might counteract the progesterone effects of Tren. So that is why I want to add it in there as well.
SuperDawgy
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That last cycle only has you running D and Win together for 5 weeks. Looks like a hell of a mix! Take lots of pics bro, i'd like to see the results. Kudos for dropping the Anadrol this run, that shit don't play.
LOL...I don't think so. And its only for 10 weeks. Ok...Ok...I guess I'll drop the test down to 1000mg per week.
And what do the pros take?????
wnt2bBeast
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my thoughts exactly wtf??? bro dont take this the wrong way, you look good..but that is way too much gear for the amount of muscle you carry..quad and galaxy have posted there cycles before and you are fairly close to their doses yet not close in terms of musculature...Dial_tone said:
No, you'll be fine from a liver standpoint (take Tyler). But I don't see the sense in it. You got one oral adding water and another taking it away. And your results would be better if you change up part of your cycle every 4-5 weeks anyway. So dbol for 5 then winny for 5 makes more sense to fight off hemostasis. Winny won't help you with tren.
Ulter...you said winny won't help with tren. Is this a fact? Because I don't even know the answer to that. It's just something I was going to try out. But your right...I think " I might " try out what you said. 5 weeks first with Dbol and then the last with Winny. And honestly....I really don't think this is much shit! I will take Tylers thats' for sure with added Milk Thistle, and r-ALA and check ups with my Doc.
ManOfArms said:Carth if you die, can I have the rest of your gear? I'm kidding of course!
Never joke about something like that. This is a bad ass cycle to do for many months. But for a few weeks? GIVE ME A BREAK!
Whats the concern? GH I get for $40 for 126ius. Test I can get 2000mgs for $45. Proviron I can get for $1 a tab. Dbol and winny I can get for good price. Insulin is only $20 and that shit will last you for a long time. So whats the concern?
Oh! And what Tren is expensive? Yeah fucking right!
add up the cost of all those ingredients and it gets up there mang. i guess it would be costly for me to run that cycle.
u may be in a completely seperate pair of financial shoes.
ps I can run 2 grams of test per week for about $4.50 per week. I am mega cheap lol.
homebrew beauty -- food/supps to keep everything healthy are what breaks me. ohh that and tuition.
u may be in a completely seperate pair of financial shoes.
ps I can run 2 grams of test per week for about $4.50 per week. I am mega cheap lol.
homebrew beauty -- food/supps to keep everything healthy are what breaks me. ohh that and tuition.
Carth said:
well if there's no concern what's your question? I don't care if the whole thing cost you $50. If that's the type of doses it took to build your physique I'm much less impressed with the work you've done so far. More power to ya though; I'm usually in the minority. That one cycle just about equals everything i've taken in my life.
strongsmartsexy
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Carth said:
Holy ballbusters Batman! $40 for 126iu? OMG
strongsmartsexy
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Damn, a gram a week? I wish you'd add your input to the Master's board on here. There are a few threads about HRT and cycles and year round that could really use your insight.ulter said:
Goddamn dude! The second one is 2545mg total week 1-5 and 2300mg the rest of the way! and I did not count the Proviron Not being a smart ass but how much do you weigh? Thats more than me by a bit and I am 239# right now at about 6%. Just looking out for you. Thats a rough cycle you have there.
Quad
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Carth said:
wnt2bBeast
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i guess im in the minority too.. personally i dont pick a cycle or choice of gear based on cost..i want to put the best available into my body..if it means spending a few extra for human grade i do it..but to answer your original question i think youll be fine with the proper liver supps like ulter said..but i totally disagree with the amount of gear ur using..ur a big boy and thats all im gonna say on the issueDial_tone said:
wnt2bBeast
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glad to see you chime in here quad!!!Quadsweep said:
Quadsweep said:Oh no! Not another Quadsweep/Ulter dosage disagreement!
Quad
No, not again. It was fun the first 20 times though.
At this point I don't care what people use. If they ask me and they have never tried AS and haven't trained long enough, which sadly is most of them, I give them your cycle. If the guy has a few puny cycles and is trying to make the nationals I will load him up.
This board is not what it was four year ago when honest to God body builders trying to get their pro cards where on here looking for an edge or advice.
We are all just recreational users trying to get or stay big. Carth has enough experience that he knows what he can handle. He doesn't need me to tell him what works.
Do you want my opinion of your cycle Carth? You don't need that much test with tren. It's a waste. Up the tren if you want but cut the test to 500mg. Tren is several times more powerful than test so the only reason to have it is to keep your libido. It's like adding regular fuel in the tank with race octane, it's just taking up space.
You also don't need the dbol past the second week. Tren is fast enough acting that you don't need the dbol kick, although it does feel good so for that you might keep it.
Leave the winny for the last 8 after 2 of dbol.
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ulter said:
I don't think he does and I think the type of questions he asks make that clear. I don't dislike him and I have no reason to, but so far he's struck as one who rarely reads a drug profile. I guess I'm just too old school for this board but the main reason I ask few questions here is because there are so few people here who's opinions I give two shits about. I suppose it's because after 25+ years of lifting I STILL haven't warmed up to the idea of recreational BB'ers using drugs in the first place. The cat's out of the bag so thats my problem really.
strongsmartsexy
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That works very well for those who's bodies already produce enough natrual testosterone. For those of us who's bodies do not, it's a huge problem. Try having natural total test levels of 124 and a free test level below 10 and see what food does to you.georgie24 said:
Dial_tone said:
The concern was if it was a BAD IDEA to use 2 different AAS orals at the same time? This I have never done before. About my physique, I'm currently 29 years old. I started lifting at 18 and began the roids at 20. At around 25 years old, I stopped both roids and training. Personal problems, work related blah,blah,blah. So within those 3 years I lost close to 30 pounds of muscle. I just started training as of November 2003. And I did my first cycle in so many years back in May of this year in which I only took Androgel and Tren which added 15 pounds of muscle and helped me cut fat down from 11% to 7.5%. So I guess this is why your not impressed at all Dial-Tone. I don't blame ya! 3 years of not training and not using any gear will change anybodys physique for the worst.
The_Chemist
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That dosage is large, but nowhere near pro competitors, so dont even bother comparing.
My only real concern would be the addition of anadrol to that much test. That would send my blood pressure through the roof.
My only real concern would be the addition of anadrol to that much test. That would send my blood pressure through the roof.
Ouch!strongsmartsexy said:That works very well for those who's bodies already produce enough natrual testosterone. For those of us who's bodies do not, it's a huge problem. Try having natural total test levels of 124 and a free test level below 10 and see what food does to you.
Carth said:
I was going to let this lay but....why do you feel it is nessassary to use 2500mg after a Tgel and fina cycle and a 3 year complete layoff prior to that? I have said this before, this is an assending dose medication over time so where do you go from here and was this huge jump nessasary? I think 1/2 that dose at your current stage would work wonders and still be a big dose. Not being critical...just saying if you know what I mean.
Quadsweep
strongsmartsexy
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Yeah, that's why I'm interested in year round cycles. I'll be on HRT the remainder of my natural life. I may as well make maximum use out of that. My kids are all grown and on their own. I'm not worried about sperm count since I had that leak fixed after my second child.Quadsweep said:
Not only that, but I'm 47 and as you're aware, you don't actually get younger.
I know my body. I know what it can handle and what it can't. But one thing I don't know is if it can handle 2 orals at the same time. Both Dbol and Winstrol tabs.
SuperDawgy
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Carth said:
Like i said earlier...that is alot of juice, and if you think that it will take that big of a cycle to get where you need to be, so be it. You're a big boy and you will do what you want anyway. Personally, i think that running D-bol and Win together for 5 weeks is the least of your concerns. I have stacked D, Win and Sus together for a 5,8,10 cycle with no problems. Just be careful bro and keep your doc in the loop.
What results did you get with running Dbol, win and test at the same time?
SuperDawgy
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Carth said:
About 15 pounds in 10 weeks. Could have added more size, but i only bumped my BMR calories by about 500 a day. Cholestrol went up a few points and by BP was all over the place, but nothing out of the ordinary.
Let me ask you guys this question. From my future cycle..what is it about it that you would say is TOO much? The Test? The Tren? The 10 weeks of orals? What????
So what? Lower the Test? Lower the Tren? Suggetions then please. I used Tren this past summer at 100mgs per day for 12 weeks and I was fine.
Drop the test down a bit and take Dbol first 5 weeks and Winny the next 5...right?
Looks a bit like my old bulker.
It is a bulker.
The doses your using gives the impression that that is what you're trying to do. I know you're cutting but you should have posted that for everyone.
Use less test to cut. 500mg
100mg/day of tren is fine
add winny to taste.
The doses your using gives the impression that that is what you're trying to do. I know you're cutting but you should have posted that for everyone.
Use less test to cut. 500mg
100mg/day of tren is fine
add winny to taste.
