Worrying about Gynecomastia

[P H O E]

(1) Should one worry about "Bitch Tits" when taking 250-300 mg of Test Cyp a week??????

( 2) If signs of gynecomastia do occur will taking a product like Nolvadex "Fix" the problem and prevent future problems????

Is there an anti "bitch tit" post on here... if so can someone shoot the hyperlink or post it here...

 

[F_ed_in_the_A]

Tamoxifen(Novladex) will not reverse the gyno, but if you insist on staying on your gear, it can keep it down. One thing you can add is some fat-burning additives, like ephdrine or others. If you've ever seen a woman with big breasts go from a size 12 to a size 4, they lose substantial size on their cup size. The fat from gyno is no different, only it is harder to get rid of.

If you are getting signs, I would re-evaluate your cycle and switch to moving towards Primobolan from CLP, don't buy BD anymore unless you're sure of who you are dealing with and they have old stock(still not sure about BD now). Mix it into your program, slowly integrating more of the primo as you ease off the cyp. Although most on this site say no less then 400mg/week, 200-300 will get your natural test going, you can eat less, burn more fat(hopefully some of the gyno unless you've gone too long) and avoid a crash.

Primo can be taken for longer, (200-600max) because it is so easy on the body and does not convert to oestrogen. Also, be aware that if you are sensitive to gyno, 250-300 of cyp will still give you the problem and you should probably stay away from anything that can convert to oestrogen in the future. Some people are simply more sensitive. Remember, before passinng the 30 year old mark, you only produce about 70-75mg of natural test, so adding 250 is a huge increase in overall production.

Hope that helps some, it was long and you'll get lots of advice on this. Try searching, you'll get tons of help from some great people here.

If you do stop, don't forget to do a post cycle or it will get way out of control.
40mg nov day one
20 for ten days
10 for ten
and if you want, 5 for ten more. This is farely common for PCT, but there are many other versions.

Best wishes.

 

[ukkared]

Yes, to answer both questions. Everyone is different and it totally depends on genetics which dosage it is going to take for you to get the aromatization and gyno. On cycle you should take something like a-dex to block the aromatization in the first place, then you could use nolv for post cycle.

 

[P H O E]

Tamoxifen(Novladex) will not reverse the gynecomastia, but if you insist on staying on your gear, it can keep it down. One thing you can add is some fat-burning additives, like ephdrine or others. If you've ever seen a woman with big breasts go from a size 12 to a size 4, they lose substantial size on their cup size. The fat from gynecomastia is no different, only it is harder to get rid of.

If you are getting signs, I would re-evaluate your cycle and switch to moving towards Primobolan from CLP, don't buy BD anymore unless you're sure of who you are dealing with and they have old stock(still not sure about BD now). Mix it into your program, slowly integrating more of the Primobolan - methenolone - as you ease off the testosterone cypionate. Although most on this site say no less then 400mg/week, 200-300 will get your natural test going, you can eat less, burn more fat(hopefully some of the gynecomastia unless you've gone too long) and avoid a crash.

Primo can be taken for longer, (200-600max) because it is so easy on the body and does not convert to oestrogen. Also, be aware that if you are sensitive to gynecomastia, 250-300 of testosterone cypionate will still give you the problem and you should probably stay away from anything that can convert to oestrogen in the future. Some people are simply more sensitive. Remember, before passinng the 30 year old mark, you only produce about 70-75mg of natural test, so adding 250 is a huge increase in overall production.

Hope that helps some, it was long and you'll get lots of advice on this. Try searching, you'll get tons of help from some great people here.

If you do stop, don't forget to do a post cycle or it will get way out of control.
40mg nov day one
20 for ten days
10 for ten
and if you want, 5 for ten more. This is farely common for PCT - post cycle therapy - , but there are many other versions.

Best wishes.

Please forgive me.. I have searched the newbie forum and can't find out what BD is *don't buy BD* ..... Also don't know what CLP is... and is NOV Nolvadex?

Anyway.. I have not noticed signs of the Gynecomastia.. I am just worried from reading all the stuff on this site and other web pages....

 

[mattdan]

Please forgive me.. I have searched the newbie forum and can't find out what BD is *don't buy BD* ..... Also don't know what CLP is... and is NOV Nolvadex?

Anyway.. I have not noticed signs of the Gynecomastia.. I am just worried from reading all the stuff on this site and other web pages....

I'm really not sure what is point his or where he's going with that so for now at least I'd ignore it. I think *maybe* his point is Primobolan - methenolone - is very safe, but that was not your question so -

Yes- nov is nolvadex.

At that dose and assuming that's all you're taking, you don't run a huge risk of gynecomastia. In fact, it's fairly small for most of us, but everyone is different and you HAVE to be safe. I've taken much more with no problems, others have had problems at that dose or less.

Keep in mind that I'm old school on this. I have heard of many, many people that have had their gynecomastia symptoms eliminated by Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - . Personally I always used arimidex. It's expensive, but you get what you pays for.

Nolva is much cheaper, and can be kept on hand for PCT - post cycle therapy - . At those doses, Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - should be more than adequate. It's so cheap, just get some and keep it on hand. At the very first sign of tenderness, etc. just take it.

Hope that helps some.

 

[F_ed_in_the_A]

Please forgive me.. I have searched the newbie forum and can't find out what BD is *don't buy BD* ..... Also don't know what CLP is... and is NOV Nolvadex?

Anyway.. I have not noticed signs of the Gynecomastia.. I am just worried from reading all the stuff on this site and other web pages....

No problem. BD is short for british dragon, an undergound lab that ran into some personal problems and their gear that was once one of my favorites is not a safe bet. As for CLP, it is a new underground company that I've heard good things aboug. Nov is short for Nolvadex so I don't have to write the whole thing down. You were on top of it, sorry about that.

Take care.

 

[BigCracker]

18 year user of the mgs your on now with periods of time pushing the 2500mgs/wk barrier. A decade ago nolvadex was about all that I could get my hands on for an anti e. I never had many symptoms other than sensitive nips and some occasional dull pain-but only when using high androgens like A50. I know others that haven't been so lucky and had to have theirs removed. A close friend of mine is in the "always in" club as well. He takes much more AAS than he should given the fact that he is not competing nor does he really train or eat the way that he should.(he thinks he's otherwise and gets angry when I tell him he's fucking up/not serious enough-I hope he doesn't read this. lol) He's been using on and off 10 years and has A-cups. Granted he's a bit fat, but his titties look atrocious. He seems to think that they will go away if he diets down 30 lbs. Personally I think he's in denial and they're there to stay. He's always using anti e's, almost in excess IMNSHO. They get worse when he comes off and his bf increases. Needless to say his size "smedium" t shirt stays on at the pool party.

Truthfully, when it comes to gyno I think it's a crapshoot. Everybody is different. Some get it a little, some get it a lot, some don't get it at all. I'd also like to add that many experience gyno symptoms after going off much moreso than while on. Therefore proper pct is a must for those that experience gyno, but I seriously doubt that you need to worry as long as your mgs are sensible in amount.

 

[F_ed_in_the_A]

I'm really not sure what is point his or where he's going with that so for now at least I'd ignore it. I think *maybe* his point is Primobolan - methenolone - is very safe, but that was not your question so -

Yes- nov is nolvadex.

At that dose and assuming that's all you're taking, you don't run a huge risk of gynecomastia. In fact, it's fairly small for most of us, but everyone is different and you HAVE to be safe. I've taken much more with no problems, others have had problems at that dose or less.

Keep in mind that I'm old school on this. I have heard of many, many people that have had their gynecomastia symptoms eliminated by Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - . Personally I always used arimidex. It's expensive, but you get what you pays for.

Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - is much cheaper, and can be kept on hand for PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - . At those doses, Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - should be more than adequate. It's so cheap, just get some and keep it on hand. At the very first sign of tenderness, etc. just take it.

Hope that helps some.

The main point was that is appeared that you wanted some info on gyno and were worried. Primobolan does not convert to oestrogen(old spelling of estrogen, just used to spelling it like that), therefore you don't have to worry about gyno if that is a main concern.

Second main point, Tamoxifen will help keep the gyno from getting worse, and as stated above, some people even see a reversal, but that is only in cases where the growth is very new and hasn't gotten out of control.

Third point, anytime you introduce a receptor blocking agent like Tamoxifen into your body, you are messing with your body. This drug will quickly aid the growth of your prostate in its second phase of growth, usually around the age of 25. The steroids themselves also do this, so adding fuel to the fire can have problems.

Many body builders try to take as little as possible until they see signs or because they don't want to ruin the water retention that gives the illusion of size(but also lubricates the joints) and also because you need estrogen to build=> more tamoxifen(or especially Armadex) during your cycle the less pronounced your gains. If you want to be in the middle of safety and size, I always suggest taking 10-20 mg of tamoxifen every fourth day during your cycle. This is ideal for the drugs half-life and also keeps gains at a max without having to worry about gyno. If you take the stuff during cycle and do it every day, it isn't ideal.

I'm comming from a medical standpoint and the guy talking about old school gave you great advice. Stay safe and respect what you're doing. Use these forums and research. You'll always feel better when you really know what you're doing.

Take care.