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World Cup Thread

OMG Spain sucks. They try to play like the italians but i'm guessing they don't really have the same quality of defense. They were sooooo lucky to move on. I am so confident, if Italy can beat Korea, that Italy would destroy Spain and Germany, 2 VERY OVERATED teams.

I am sad the irish didn't win but seeing how both Spain and England used Italian tactics to win is really satisfying since all i hear is how italians play boring football. I still can't get over how spain sucked. I was smiling that whole 2nd half and overtime. Without their goalie it would have been over a long time ago.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
Cure said:
OMG Spain sucks. They try to play like the italians but i'm guessing they don't really have the same quality of defense. They were sooooo lucky to move on. I am so confident, if Italy can beat Korea, that Italy would destroy Spain and Germany, 2 VERY OVERATED teams.

I am sad the irish didn't win but seeing how both Spain and England used Italian tactics to win is really satisfying since all i hear is how italians play boring football. I still can't get over how spain sucked. I was smiling that whole 2nd half and overtime. Without their goalie it would have been over a long time ago.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

im telling you korea isnt going to be a push over, u think if a korean falls in the box the ref isnt gonna give it to them??
 
macDbol said:


im telling you korea isnt going to be a push over, u think if a korean falls in the box the ref isnt gonna give it to them??

That's why i'm so confident if we can beat Korea that we will destroy the Spanish and Germans.

I watched the game again and the Spanish were being picked apart in the midfield and their strikers couldn't do anything besides that first goal. That is the reason they took both Raul and Morientes off. Without their stellar goalkeeping Spain would be drinking some Sangria off the Malaga coast.

The referreing was great. Real balls to call that penalty with no time left. What was Hierro thinking? The great captain almost costing the spanish the game.
 
well i'm hoping england can win it, if not i'd love to see senegal do it as a couple of there lads have signed for Liverpool and i'm a liverpool fan plus they r the underdogs, if not those two then Brazil for being so exciting to watch
 
Another latin team down and here's hoping Brazil gets shocked. Now people know why i don't like latin teams? Game gets out of reach and the goons start to show themselves.

THE US...I LOVE U! It's too bad Blanco decided to open his big mouth and i'm glad the States shut it. BTW, i really didn't think Mexico dominated all that much. The US played their game which is what happens when 2 teams know each other so well.
 
If i were the Brazilians i would keep those horseshoes up their asses because they're gonna need them against England. Pathetic display on Brazil's part against a weak Belgian team.
 
yeah, brazil didnt dominate as much as i expected. didnt see the whole game though, i was asleep :D




go USA......i dont usually support the US, because they still insist on calling the game soccer, but since they are playing germany i;ll support them all the way ;)
 
the usa is going to be a huge payout against germany. I'm going to either take them or take the tie at the end of regulation.


a great win for the US program. they've got to be very proud of themselves.
 
Sooooooo.... IMO... If Germany Barely squeaks by the US, it could be Germany (or USA) against Italia in the Semi Finals with Senegal(France really) against Brazil or England...
 
Well, the pussies deserved to lose like usual. 30 opportunities, 1 goal and yet again let their guard down in the end.

I must say the referreing was fabulous. Bullshit penalty shot, bullshit redcard and a tons of calls for korea. UNBELIEVEABLE. FIFA should join up with the IOC because both associations are so crooked. Oh ya...the referree was latin...what a shock.

NOW I HOPE SPAIN WINS, YES I HOPE SPAIN WINS BECAUSE KOREA DOESN'T DESERVE THE TURDS THAT COME OUT MY ASS.
 
Cure said:


NOW I HOPE SPAIN WINS, YES I HOPE SPAIN WINS BECAUSE KOREA DOESN'T DESERVE THE TURDS THAT COME OUT MY ASS.

dont worry, we will make your wishes come true :) As for the Italian play, Imust say I was a bit disapointed. I was expecting a lot from a team which has players like Totti, Del Piero (why did Trap take him out ?), Vieri........
 
It's a damn shame I'm missing all of the live games because this has been way more interesting than the last world cup. They need to have this every 2 years.
 
manny78 said:


dont worry, we will make your wishes come true :) As for the Italian play, Imust say I was a bit disapointed. I was expecting a lot from a team which has players like Totti, Del Piero (why did Trap take him out ?), Vieri........

it's a shame to play defensive like that. i like trap as a person but
as a coach i'm very, very angry about him! those games showed
that no one will win a game 1-0. didn't he learn anything from
the games before? no, he didn't. the only good thing is that
corea is in a big party tonigth. now i hope they will gonna win
the cup.
 
I'm still shocked. Offside for Tommasi????...BULLSHITTTTTTTTTT!

Manny, what makes me laugh is that they take Del Piero off to bring on a defensive midfielder when Del Piero was playing a superb possession game and was playing wonderfully defensively.

Bahhh...FIFA is really getting what they seeked out to get...a host nation in the finals.
 
Those testas di casso deserve to go home because of their defensive and unspectacular attitude... but i must admit the refferee did give a good help to the korean´s game... they could tackle how and when they wanted, and the italians, if they did something beyond the law were immediately punished with cards!!!
 
The best quote...this was left of a sports site where fans can commentate on results.

"So Italy lost. As an Italian fan, with dejected spirit and unsatisfied emotion, I slowly made my way home from the bar that had suddenly taken on a funeral home-like mood. Walking home, hiding my azzurri jersey with my coat as I walked by some Koreans, I tried to dart across the street as the light turned red. Then, all of a sudden out of nowhere, I heard a whistle and a guy jumped out of the bushes waving a flag! Of course…I was OFFSIDE!"

Bahahhhhaaahh that was brilliant..
 
OOOOOO KOREA OOOOOOOH KOREA!!!,,i love that fucken team, im a US fan and if we happen to get past Germany (which i think could happen since the Koreans showed us anything can happen) i would much rather face Spain than face a fired up Korean team with homefield advantage

another cocky euro team bites the dust.....i hope u guys are soaking this all in because this WC is a turning point in the future of world football,,,brazil,italy,argentina will still be around but now with N.America, Africa, and Asia getting stronger,,its no longer a cake walk for those traditional powerhouses

(thats what u get when your top clubs' players are from outside your country)

COMMON USA, KOREA BEAT ITALY, WE CAN BEAT GERMANY!!
 
Korean had a good game, but wait a minute they aren't the next best thing. The Italians digged they own grave. Taking out Del Piero was probably the worse move I've seen in this World Cup along with Camacho's idea to take out both Raul and Morientes against Ireland. Difference is: Spain is still alive. I was just amazed when I saw the change.... The Italians defenders were on another planet. A place where the drinks must be good cause in many ocasions they seemed lost. I remember one headshot in OT where 4 koreans players were in the box. As for the referees ? Same Ol' song. FIFA should and I hope "will" one day understand that video replays are essential unless they want this sport to turn into something ridiculous......
 
RK/Italy was probably the best game of the World Cup so far. Korea won solely on tenacity and stamina. Italy definitely had the better players, but in a winner take all game, anything can happen....
Playing on a puny 1-0 lead in soccer is like playing prevent defense in football with a lead of less than a touchdown-it is stupid!!!!!! Why change something that has been succesful the entire game? I can see it with a 2-0 lead, but not with only a one goal difference.
That was definitely a horrible call with the red card in overtime, but it seems Italy always has the most disappointing losses in World Cup.
Can't wait for Friday-both games look to be excellent matchups
 
hmmm....italy really should have won that one. koreans played well but italians slipped up on defence when push came to shove

lets not get carried away though. mainland europe has been a little cocky perhaps, but they are still a force to be reckoned with. shock results can also be the result of players running around in a v.different climate to europe....this world cup changes nothing other than the fact they should be quietly confident as opposed to overtly/arrogantly so
 
danielson said:
hmmm....italy really should have won that one. koreans played well but italians slipped up on defence when push came to shove

lets not get carried away though. mainland europe has been a little cocky perhaps, but they are still a force to be reckoned with. shock results can also be the result of players running around in a v.different climate to europe....this world cup changes nothing other than the fact they should be quietly confident as opposed to overtly/arrogantly so

Ok this is what i blame for the ever changing equality in football.

a) Top leagues in the world signing more than 3 foreign players. A team like Juventus should not have Trezeguet, Montero, Nedved, Salas, Davids, Thuram. We let foreigners play in our leagues and now we get burnt in the end.
b) Coaches from strong countries going to coach other nations. Example: French coaching Japan/Senegal, Dutch coaching Korea, German coaching Canada, Italian coaching Paraguay. These coaches learn certain tactics of one nation and then pass it on to lesser nations. This pretty much takes all strategy and tactics away from the game. Let them learn on their own.

How did countries like Germany, Italy, Brazil, Argentina, Spain, England... learn to play? By creating their own leagues, making them competetive and defining their own identity to playing soccer. These "new" soccer nations just copy other countries style of play. Anyone else have any views on this?
c)
 
euro teams buying up foreign talent is the main factor i think for the rest of the world

i dont know other countries scenarios but here in america the MLS (even though it isnt huge) has transforemd the US national team, the level of play isnt near the top leagues of europe, but it is an excellent "farm system" for american talent

also many MLS teams have bought foreign players after WC 98 like Hernandez from Mexcio and Azzizi from Iran,,,and guess what? those players did jack shit!!! which leads me to belive that they couldnt handle mls defenses, they quit doing that and now are focusing on developing their own american talent,,and rightfully so
 
Re: ROFL

I have just read this entire thread and may i just say that as an England supporter it has been one of the most satisfying reads i've had in a long time... just hearing some of the cocky mofos writing us off and bumping their own team - who prompty got knocked out.

I'm realistic and think we'll do well to beat Brazil on friday but man i've had a few laughs in the last hour !
 
macDbol said:
OOOOOO KOREA OOOOOOOH KOREA!!!,,i love that fucken team, im a US fan and if we happen to get past Germany (which i think could happen since the Koreans showed us anything can happen) i would much rather face Spain than face a fired up Korean team with homefield advantage

another cocky euro team bites the dust.....i hope u guys are soaking this all in because this WC is a turning point in the future of world football,,,brazil,italy,argentina will still be around but now with N.America, Africa, and Asia getting stronger,,its no longer a cake walk for those traditional powerhouses

(thats what u get when your top clubs' players are from outside your country)

COMMON USA, KOREA BEAT ITALY, WE CAN BEAT GERMANY!!

Europe still makes up 50% of the quarter final draw, and over 50% of the second round. What other continent comes close??
Since when were Brazil not a "traditional powerhouse".

It's hardly a changing of the guard, just an addition of a couple of teams to the world stage.

Stu.
 
Stuey01 said:


Europe still makes up 50% of the quarter final draw, and over 50% of the second round. What other continent comes close??
Since when were Brazil not a "traditional powerhouse".

It's hardly a changing of the guard, just an addition of a couple of teams to the world stage.

Stu.

Not even, i just find Japan/Korea to be in it beause they are host but for god's sake, CANADA beat KOREA, TWICE! THE US were lucky to advance and then face a Mexican side who they were familiar with and Senegal play the way they do because all of their players play in Europe.

Europeans still rule the game but the talent is diminishing because of foreign players.

Look at England, they use to develope players like Shearer, Platt, Lineker(sp?), Best, ..etc..and now their talent level has dwindled compared to the past and they even have a starting midfielder that is canadian. That's what happens when your domestic league decides to sign foreigners compared to developing youth at home.
 
Cure said:


Look at England, they use to develope players like Shearer, Platt, Lineker(sp?), Best, ..etc..and now their talent level has dwindled compared to the past and they even have a starting midfielder that is canadian. That's what happens when your domestic league decides to sign foreigners compared to developing youth at home.

Not sure I agree with you, as I don't think it's so simple.

The entire English side, if I'm not mistaken, play in the Premier League and those teams' youth systems have recently produced Scholes, Beckham, Owen, the Neville brothers, Butt and Campbell. I think it's a well balanced team in terms of age as players like Hargreaves, Dyer, Brown and Ferdinand have their best years ahead of them. Plus, those Lineker and Platt teams didn't have a great deal of depth. And really, if there's criticism it's that not enough English players venture from home to learn the playing styles in Spain, Italy and Germany. Steve McManaman is the only player I can think of who's ventured outside Britain in recent years.

But then just about the entire French and Dutch national teams play outside their countries and they're doing fine.

My feeling is that the youth developmental program is the key to any country's success more so than foreign participation in a country's top league.
 
specter said:


But then just about the entire French and Dutch national teams play outside their countries and they're doing fine.


LOL, u think? 1 team didn't score 1 goal throughout the first round and was eliminated and the other didn't make the World Cup.

Take for example Juventus. They have a youth system where let's say 30 youths were Italian and learning from a top club. Now that's brought down to 15. Where do the rest go and play? Eventually an entire team will come out that will have no local players. This is truly sad when teams management go to africa and snatch up 13 year old boys to train them for the money (club teams) compared to thinking of the international game instead. In my opinion FIFA and UEFA have truly ruined football over the last 10 years.

Secondly, Lineker is better than any player England have right now. Better than Beckham and Owen will ever be. I believe Gascoigne is even better than those two.

Caps: 80
Goals: 48

WC:
Games/Goals
12/10

Scored 100 goals in less than 200 games with his club side.

I also look at Italy. Their talent was so much better in the past compared to today. They do have better strikers but their defense with the likes of Bergomi, Baresi, Cabrini, Gentile, Maldini. A midfield like Baggio, Giannini, Albertini, Rivera.
 
Angry Italian club owner cuts Ahn

[ESPN.com news services]

ROME -- Italian soccer club Perugia has cut ties with South Korea's Ahn Jung-hwan after he scored the overtime goal that knocked Italy out of the World Cup, Perugia's chairman said in media reports Wednesday.

"That gentleman will never set foot in Perugia again," Luciano Gaucci told sports' daily La Gazzetta dello Sport.

Italy has been furious about Tuesday's 2-1 loss to South Korea, accusing the referee and soccer's ruling body FIFA of fixing the match.

Back home, the Italian media were livid.

"Thieves -- the killer referee hounds the Azzurri out of the World Cup," the Rome-daily Corriere dello Sport said on its front-page.

"Shame! The scandalous Ecuadorean referee -- Italy is out of the World Cup," said the country's top-selling sports daily, Milan's La Gazzetta dello Sport.

Ahn, who missed a penalty earlier in the match, was hailed as a national hero when he headed home the golden goal winner in the 116th minute.

But his goal was viewed in a different light at Perugia in central Italy, where he has been viewed as an underachiever during his stay with the club.

"He was a phenomenon only when he played against Italy. I am a nationalist and I regard such behavior not only as an affront to Italian pride but also an offense to a country which two years ago opened its doors to him," Gaucci was quoted as saying.

"I have no intention of paying a salary to someone who has ruined Italian soccer."

Ahn joined Perugia on loan from the South Korean team Pusan I.cons in the summer of 2000. He scored five goals in 29 appearances.

A Perugia spokesman said Wednesday the club had virtually decided to release Ahn even before the World Cup tie.


BAHAHAHA....some English team will sign him and he'll continue to underachieve.
 
Cure said:


LOL, u think? 1 team didn't score 1 goal throughout the first round and was eliminated and the other didn't make the World Cup.

Take for example Juventus. They have a youth system where let's say 30 youths were Italian and learning from a top club. Now that's brought down to 15. Where do the rest go and play? Eventually an entire team will come out that will have no local players. This is truly sad when teams management go to africa and snatch up 13 year old boys to train them for the money (club teams) compared to thinking of the international game instead. In my opinion FIFA and UEFA have truly ruined football over the last 10 years.

Secondly, Lineker is better than any player England have right now. Better than Beckham and Owen will ever be. I believe Gascoigne is even better than those two.

Caps: 80
Goals: 48

WC:
Games/Goals
12/10

Scored 100 goals in less than 200 games with his club side.

I also look at Italy. Their talent was so much better in the past compared to today. They do have better strikers but their defense with the likes of Bergomi, Baresi, Cabrini, Gentile, Maldini. A midfield like Baggio, Giannini, Albertini, Rivera.

I wasn't questioning Lineker's talent, just the supporting cast. I think the starting 11 is stronger now than it was in Lineker's or Platt's time.

France will have to reload. Holland will be back on the global stage sooner rather than later. I don't read into their recent failures that either team is on some sort of extended downward spiral.

It's an interesting point about Juventus' youth program. But teams like Juventus can afford to do that whereas much of the rest of Serie A cannot. Is that happening throughout the league? If so, that's worrying. Otherwise, the local talent will rise to the top, just not with a wealthy club like Juventus. That could hurt youth development because presumably Juventus' system is stronger than, say, Napoli. But then a 17-yr-old will have more opportunities to break through at Napoli than Juventus so there are pluses and minuses. And then, if that kid becomes a star Juventus will purchase his contract so it'll all come out even in the end. :D

But I understand your point better. Your argument seems to be that it's already having an impact, though, and I'm not sure I agree. We'll see. In 1999 and 2001, Spain and France had some outstanding U-17 teams and that makes me think the traditional European powers will continue to dominate.
 
Cure said:



I also look at Italy. Their talent was so much better in the past compared to today. They do have better strikers but their defense with the likes of Bergomi, Baresi, Cabrini, Gentile, Maldini. A midfield like Baggio, Giannini, Albertini, Rivera.
Agree with you on this one. I remember how the Italian team of WC 90 was way more exciting than this one. Guys like Vialli, Mancini, Toto Schilacci, Baggio were putting a great play on the field. Now you have what ? Vieri ok he's a very good striker. The typical "9". But the rest cant compare.
 
that korean player should sue. thats bang out of order.....they may not love him. but jeez, what was he supposed to do, miss?
 
specter said:

In 1999 and 2001, Spain and France had some outstanding U-17 teams and that makes me think the traditional European powers will continue to dominate.

Totally agree my friend but i believe u- championships mean nothing. Look at Italy. I believe they won the U-21 or 22 like 5 out of 7 years(somewhere around there) and are nowhere to be seen and Portugal was awesome in the early 90's and those players now play for their National side and they haven't done anything yet. Also look at the teams competing at u- championships. Reminds me of this years WC. Teams like Ghana, China, Czech Rep..do very well..
 
Watching the match, Tommasi did look offside. I still think he was, I haven't seen any replays to prove otherwise.

It's pretty funny.... England and Brazil are scared of each other, trying out against "shadow teams" in each other's formations and practicing penalty kicks. Brazil papers are complaining about the lack of midfield, and English papers are panicked about Owen's health.

My prediction: England vs Spain for the final. I'm surprised they've lasted this long though.

Korea deserved the win as much as anyone else. The Italians were too busy trying to dribble around the last 1 or 2 defenders to make it look pretty instead of challenging the goalie. I was cheering.

England 3-2 over Brazil, golden goal (just dreaming... probably 1-0).
 
problem of italy was maybe that there's no "head" in the team
who can vary the game. like already have been said, there
were players like baresi or baggio who gave the squadra a face.
totti could be in the future, but actually there's no one who could
play this part. it's typically for a team without such a player that
they receive goals in the last minutes.
 
England have a starting midfielder who is canadian??!! no they have a starting midfielder who is canandain when players like gerrard, dyer etc are unfit and as for england not developing good players owen, gerrard, beckham, scholes, ferdinand need i go on.

On another note perugia sacking the korean just for scoring against the azzuri is a disgrace, as is there lack of sportsman ship they were poor on the day and that is that
 
fallenangel said:
England have a starting midfielder who is canadian??!! no they have a starting midfielder who is canandain when players like gerrard, dyer etc are unfit and as for england not developing good players owen, gerrard, beckham, scholes, ferdinand need i go on.

On another note perugia sacking the korean just for scoring against the azzuri is a disgrace, as is there lack of sportsman ship they were poor on the day and that is that

yeah, thats a very poor decision from the president of perugia.
that's a lack of class imo. i'm looking forward to england brazil,
best defense vs best strikers. i see a little advantage for england.
but i like brazil, too!!! can't make any decision between those
two teams. can't we change the matches like:
brasil-germany
england-turkey
??????????????????
 
fallenangel said:
England have a starting midfielder who is canadian??!! no they have a starting midfielder who is canandain when players like gerrard, dyer etc are unfit and as for england not developing good players owen, gerrard, beckham, scholes, ferdinand need i go on.

Beckham and Scholes are world class. I agree. Owen needs to be given space to actually accomplish something, i don't think he is anywhere near the quality of a Vieri, Rivaldo, Ronaldo, Trezeguet, Henry, Batistuta..etc..Gerrard, Ferdinand are "good" English players but not world class players. They are average world class players at best.

Hargreaves is a Canadian. Born and raised. Played youth soccer in Calgary and then joined Bayern Munich in their youth system. Now if the english were so high on talent why would they choose to go after Hargreaves who's father was born in England but who's mother was born in Wales. This proves to me the lack of talent England has. The guy is 21 and has been playing professional football for maybe 2 years. I would think that maybe they'd have other players of his talent and age in England? or maybe not. He started, whether it be because of injury or sheer talent yet out of 40 million brits they chose a canadian...a guy who was still living here 4 years ago!
 
damn cure, you are the man, you knwo EVERYTHING about
soccer, thats impressive. are you in this sport? cure alias
trappatoni?
 
nah Ferdinand has been the defender of the world cup, incidentally whats wrong with us playing Hargreaves, France play Zidane (algerian) Lizarazu (spanish) viera (senegalese)

Anyway personally i think Hargreaves is reasonable but not the same class as Gerrard.
 
fallenangel said:
nah Ferdinand has been the defender of the world cup, incidentally whats wrong with us playing Hargreaves, France play Zidane (algerian) Lizarazu (spanish) viera (senegalese)

Anyway personally i think Hargreaves is reasonable but not the same class as Gerrard.

Zidane was born in France, Lizarazu born in near the spanish border. As for Viera you're right on. But France aint the only team to do that. Look at Poland they had a black guy from some african country.
 
or look at germany, striker neuveville was born in switzerland.
a lot of european countries have players like that.
 
robby - i've played football since i was 4. Played my youth soccer in Italy for AC Fondi just outside Rome. Then came to Canada and played on the provincial and university level and i still play senior soccer now but the level of competition is nothing compared to Europe. Manny you must of heard of the indoor World Cup at the sportsplex in Laval? I still play in that every winter and in the summer play in some bar leagues where there is fights all the time. 90% fighting, 10% football.

Fallenangel - 1 WC does not make you World Class. Also, Viera lives in France and played his soccer in France. Hargreaves has never lived in England and has never played his football in England.

Manny - Emmanuel Olisadebe was born in Nigeria but the reason he didn't play for Nigeria was because he was never called up. He waited and waited but was never asked to join their National program. He married a Polish woman, got his citizenship and the Polish soccer team asked him to play for them. this is totally different than the other cases since i'm sure Zidane could have played for Algeria, Hargreaves for Canada, Viera for Senegal.
 
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Cure said:

Manny - Emmanuel Olisadebe was born in Nigeria but the reason he didn't play for Nigeria was because he was never called up. He waited and waited but was never asked to join their National program. He married a Polish woman, got his citizenship and the Polish soccer team asked him to play for them. this is totally different than the other cases since i'm sure Zidane could have played for Algeria, Hargreaves for Canada, Viera for Senegal.

Zidane was born in Marseille from an Algerian father so yes in theory he could have played for Algeria but he had the legitimate choice. Makes sense to go with France no :)

Yes I know the Sportplex in Laval I used to play there a lot when I had time. In fact I played till U-19 in the LSEQ for Jean-Talon-Rosemont as a midfield. Now I'm only playing once-twice a month...
 
Jean Talon always had great teams. I use to play for the West Island Lakers and Quebec Selects. Always fun but there is nowhere to go after u-19. Too bad we did not have any serious senior leagues here that pay to play.
 
(Jun 20) - FIFA president Sepp Blatter has criticized the officiating at this year's World Cup soccer tournament.

However, members of the FIFA referees' committee have contradicted Blatter's view, saying the officials have done a "very good job" up to this point.

Blatter is quoted in the Italian sports daily La Gazzetta dello Sport as saying the refereeing has been the "only negative aspect" of the tournament. He singled out the linesman, calling their work disastrous for disallowing goals on what appear to be hairline offside decisions.

Blatter also sided with Italian officials, who blamed Eucadorean referee Byron Moreno in part for their loss to Korea in the quarterfinals.

"Totti's sending off against Korea was neither a penalty nor a dive," Blatter tells the newspaper. "A referee with a feeling (for the game) would not have shown him the card, bearing in mind the same player had already been booked."

However, Edgardo Codesal Mendez - who is part of the referees committee - defended the officials, by saying they are called on to make split-second decisions without the benefit of television replays.
 
Cure said:


Totally agree my friend but i believe u- championships mean nothing. Look at Italy. I believe they won the U-21 or 22 like 5 out of 7 years(somewhere around there) and are nowhere to be seen and Portugal was awesome in the early 90's and those players now play for their National side and they haven't done anything yet. Also look at the teams competing at u- championships. Reminds me of this years WC. Teams like Ghana, China, Czech Rep..do very well..

Well, the u-championships mean something. The question is, what? For some teams that do well, like Oman, China and, to some extent, the U.S., it often means the kids have been playing together for a long time and have come together as a strong team.

The European powerhouses don't have that luxury because their top youth are spending the majority of their time on their professional clubs' u-teams.

For the teams like Ghana and Nigeria that also do well, I wonder if it's partly because at 17 or 19 they're already extremely fast and dangerous. Defensemen rely on size and strength and don't get that until they're 22/23/24 so 17-yr-old defensemen have a very difficult time with 17-yr-old strikers from places like Ghana and Nigeria. That's my theory anyway.

But c'mon. Portugal's youth team of 1988-1990 is now the national team and while they haven't accomplished anything, there's no doubting they've been a very solid team - certainly among Europe's top five these last several years.

So I think u-championships mean something. You just have to figure out what it is. :D
 
Cure said:

Blatter is quoted in the Italian sports daily La Gazzetta dello Sport as saying the refereeing has been the "only negative aspect" of the tournament. He singled out the linesman, calling their work disastrous for disallowing goals on what appear to be hairline offside decisions.

Yes, and wasn't there a decision a few years ago that linesman should give the benefit of the doubt to offensive players in those borderline circumstances? :rolleyes: We have seen the complete opposite of that in this WC.

I guess I'm a crackpot but I think offsides is a terrible, terrible rule. Time and time again it merely bails defenses out from their own blunders. At the VERY least, there should be no offsides once the ball has been played into the penalty box. Scoring is hard enough, without having to worry about a rule that limits offensive opportunities and really, I'm not at all convinced that the game would go to hell if offsides were done away with altogether.
 
If Germany scores early tomorrow then it will be over and the Germans will go on to rout the U.S. I think this is a fairly likely scenario.

If the U.S. scores early then I think the Germans will get an equalizer and score again late to win the game 2-1.

The Americans' best chance is if the game stays 0-0 for as long as possible before breaking through with a goal late in the match.
 
That Germany/US game is going to be won in the air. I don't see how the US can withstand the pressure of team that is so big. I think Klose has scored all his goals with his head and Ballack had like 6-7 assists. I don't think Germany is the strongest team but if I was the US i'd be worried.


Specter - Yes that rules of the offensive player given the benefit of the doubt took place in 98 or 94 and it was never used. Usually the linesman gives the call to the defender because a goal could be scored and the result could be disastrous. Well in this WC it was the opposite. Calls were made, goals were scored, taken back and I hate the fact that the refferee's Union cannot admit their mistakes.

Talk about bullcrap, listen to the refs saying it's human error and that things happen on the spur of the moment. Well that Portuguise player who punched the ref in the side will get suspended from soccer for a long time and he is human and acting on the spur of the moment also. Refs should be fined or suspended same way players are because next time they might think before they just "act".
 
slickdadd said:
im a soccer newbie, but just real quick, what are caps? and also, what the hell is a golden goal?

To get a cap means you played in a match for your national team. Friendly matches don't count, but I'm pretty sure that -besides FIFA WC and WC qualifying - UEFA, CONCACAF etc. matches do apply. You earn one either by starting or by coming in as a substitute.

A golden goal is just the FIFA term for a sudden death goal. It's a goal that comes in extra time that ends play immediately. Before the golden goal rule which I think came about for the '94 WC, extra time was played out in its entirety regardless of whether anyone scored or not.
 
USA 0
Germany 1

Ballack will score the only goal with a low header. And we'll have our best shot on goal blocked by a defender's hand (not the goalies).
 
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Specter: friendly games do count as caps, and i´m positive about that... as just all the other games the player plays for the national team, as long as it is against another national teams and not against clubs or nations not recognized by FIFA...
 
Code said:
USA 2
Germany 1

It'll go to PKs.

I wonder what bruce arena would go as his starting lineup?

----------------friedel-------------

sanneh-pope-berhalter-hejduk

reyna-obrian-mastoeni-beasley

mathis-mcbride

would be the starting line up i would go for ,but i bet arena is gonna pull off something differnt
 
I would leave it as it was for the Mexico match.

Maybe put Cobi in at the half.

For sure he needs to leave the following people in:

Sanneh
Beasley
Pope
Donovan
Freidel
Reyna
 
Varnsen - thanks for the clarification. :)

macDbol - it'll be tough to leave Donovan out of there. Donovan-McBride up front, just like the Portugal match?

And Arena likes to have Stewart in there as well. I've never been a big Stewart fan since he's really not all that gifted, but I have to admit he knows what he's doing and he has always fit into the team very well since being discovered during the '98 WC qualifying campaign.

Beasley will be a tough call.
 
specter said:
Varnsen - thanks for the clarification. :)

macDbol - it'll be tough to leave Donovan out of there. Donovan-McBride up front, just like the Portugal match?

And Arena likes to have Stewart in there as well. I've never been a big Stewart fan since he's really not all that gifted, but I have to admit he knows what he's doing and he has always fit into the team very well since being discovered during the '98 WC qualifying campaign.

Beasley will be a tough call.

recall mathis' two goals vs germany in that last friendly we played (4-2 loss),,,,bruce will think of something and i bet we'll all be shocked at the lineup,,i love the fact that we can guess germany's starting 11 and probably get most of it right but we cant guess what arena is thinking
 
England, it's over. was a little bit disappointing how england
played; no power, no faith, no ideas. was it the heat? the goal
from ronaldinho was fantastic! imo seaman owes @ 50%; he
had to speculate. and rivaldo should go to hollywood after his
career as a soccer player. he isn't in need of such playacting.
the red card against ronaldinho was a bad joke.
would be nice to see brasil against senegal in the semifinal
 
Brasiiiiiiiiiiil!!!! É isso aí macacada, festa rija rumo ao penta, vamos massacrar, aterrorizar!!! Com ou sem o Ronaldinho, o Penta está aí!!!

USA vs Germany should be interesting... its one of the tallest against one of the shortest teams in the tournament, look out for the headers yankees!!! Still, nobody explained me why only 1 or 2 american players are above 6"0, if you take out the goalkeepers, who are much taller as in every team... it´s just casuality, i guess... Landon Donovan- 5"8; Beasly- 5"7, Wolff- 5"9; Stewart- 5"9; Mathis-5"10; Cobi Jones- 5"7; Reyna- 5"9...
 
The Varnsen said:
Brasiiiiiiiiiiil!!!! É isso aí macacada, festa rija rumo ao penta, vamos massacrar, aterrorizar!!! Com ou sem o Ronaldinho, o Penta está aí!!!

USA vs Germany should be interesting... its one of the tallest against one of the shortest teams in the tournament, look out for the headers yankees!!! Still, nobody explained me why only 1 or 2 american players are above 6"0, if you take out the goalkeepers, who are much taller as in every team... it´s just casuality, i guess... Landon Donovan- 5"8; Beasly- 5"7, Wolff- 5"9; Stewart- 5"9; Mathis-5"10; Cobi Jones- 5"7; Reyna- 5"9...

USA - team of dwarfs
 
It should be interesting to see the starting lineups... the german team is easily 6"1 average, against a USA team averaging some 5"10... I know that this is soccer isn´t very important, thank god, just look at Brazil and Argentina,who have traditionally shorter players... well, you´ll go out anyway... never thought i´d go for the germans, but we, the europeans, have to avoy an american success. If you guys start playing soccer seriously i think the rest of the world wont stand a chance. I mean, the USA have 300 million inhabitants of diversified origins, a powerfull college and high school sports system, and more money to invest in such things as anyone else. I don´t want to see soccer matches with 3 parts and timeouts for the comercials, and players earning 1 million dollars per month, and generalized use of steroids, etc... that´s the american way and i don´t like it very much, but oh well...
 
The US should be up by 2 goals yet they can't seem to finish their chances. The US cannot win through the air so they have to stop the crosses when they are first released. They should have 2 guys covering every cross from Germany. Kahn is amazing!

That Ronaldinho goal was full of crap. He was trying to cross it and completely missed the box but Seamen was to blame on that goal and I REALLY HATE RIVALDO! How can players actually exchange jerseys or shake this guys hand?

I'm hoping for a US/Turkey final :D

Actually i think Turkey could give Brazil a scare since they know them well from their 1st round match.
 
The US had this game. Right after the half they played the best football i have seen in this tournament but that only lasted 15 minutes. What were they thinking in the end? They were so lackluster. They pushed forward with no sense of urgency. They gave the ball away a hell of alot. O'Brian stunk this game up and the USA did not play square to the ball. One guy would try to rush and go between midfielders with no support whatsoever.

Besides the handball which i don't understand what the ref was watching. Your facing the ref and it's part of the actual play and the ref doesn't see anything? Besides that call he had a great game. Took his time on calls went to his linesman on different occassions and was very fair. Reyna should have gooten a red card for sticking his spikes in the German Defender.
 
damn, 2 shots from germany, 1 goal-what the fuck is going
on in this world cup?????????? now i'm def. angry about
those fucked up refs.
 
Cure said:
The US had this game. Right after the half they played the best football i have seen in this tournament but that only lasted 15 minutes. What were they thinking in the end? They were so lackluster. They pushed forward with no sense of urgency. They gave the ball away a hell of alot. O'Brian stunk this game up and the USA did not play square to the ball. One guy would try to rush and go between midfielders with no support whatsoever.

Besides the handball which i don't understand what the ref was watching. Your facing the ref and it's part of the actual play and the ref doesn't see anything? Besides that call he had a great game. Took his time on calls went to his linesman on different occassions and was very fair. Reyna should have gooten a red card for sticking his spikes in the German Defender.

I'm pleased, Cure, because we've always fallen apart against Germany in the past. Today, we got the better of them but not the result and that's ok, it happens.

I agree with you on O'Brien. He just never got himself in the flow of the game. In his defense, he must be exhausted. The German press labelled him "Mr. Everywhere" for his work rate in the first four games and it didn't look like he had anything left today.

Offensively, Germany looked pathetic. Are they capable of scoring during the run of play? I doubt it. Brad Friedel was credited with no saves today. That's amazing.

We did give the ball away some, but not nearly as much as we did against Korea or even Mexico. Bear in mind that Arena has tried to push the right buttons with his lineups but in doing so he's chosen players who have never played together before or at least very little. For example, Donovan tried to link with Lewis and Hejduk a number of times and the communication just wasn't there.

I think it was our best game of the tournament, and something we can build on for the future.
 
specter said:


I'm pleased, Cure, because we've always fallen apart against Germany in the past. Today, we got the better of them but not the result and that's ok, it happens.

I agree with you on O'Brien. He just never got himself in the flow of the game. In his defense, he must be exhausted. The German press labelled him "Mr. Everywhere" for his work rate in the first four games and it didn't look like he had anything left today.

Offensively, Germany looked pathetic. Are they capable of scoring during the run of play? I doubt it. Brad Friedel was credited with no saves today. That's amazing.

We did give the ball away some, but not nearly as much as we did against Korea or even Mexico. Bear in mind that Arena has tried to push the right buttons with his lineups but in doing so he's chosen players who have never played together before or at least very little. For example, Donovan tried to link with Lewis and Hejduk a number of times and the communication just wasn't there.

I think it was our best game of the tournament, and something we can build on for the future.

Very true. They looked great and i must admit i've only watched 2 games of theirs, the Portugal one and this one. Donovan looked great today up front as well as most of the American defense. I think CONCACAF is really starting to show that they can match up with the best. I truly believe Canada will someday compete in the WC again. Most if not all of their players play in Europe with 1 playing in Brazil and they have a German coach who won the WC in 90 as an assistant to Beckenbauer.

Spain will kill Germany. Germany is way overrated.
 
Cure said:


Very true. They looked great and i must admit i've only watched 2 games of theirs, the Portugal one and this one. Donovan looked great today up front as well as most of the American defense. I think CONCACAF is really starting to show that they can match up with the best. I truly believe Canada will someday compete in the WC again. Most if not all of their players play in Europe with 1 playing in Brazil and they have a German coach who won the WC in 90 as an assistant to Beckenbauer.

Spain will kill Germany. Germany is way overrated.

If only Ireland had made it through. :bawling: :bawling: Of all the teams in this WC, I enjoyed watching them the most.

Go Canada and go CONCACAF! It would be great to see you Canucks start to build something. It's just so difficult without the infrastructure in place to take talented youngsters and turn them into competent professionals. We've got 13.8 million boys and girls playing soccer here and still there's a missing link between the professional clubs and the youth programs.
 
Outstanding game for the most part. Especially the first half minus the German goal.. ha ha

Lots of cards but not much fighting due to the respect each has for the other I guess.
I Watched the whole thing from the Juice Bar at the Gym after working out.
There were several other fans there but I had to ask them to change the channel to ESPN at 0730... ???

You can't Out Header a team that is much taller than you.

I thought I would fall out of my chair several times during those last 5 Minutes.

I think the Ref should have let a few of those tackles "Play On" instead of calling a foul
but most of the calls were fair.
At that level of play it can get rough some times....
 
I can't believe they even tried high crosses let alone did it the WHOLE game.

But it was a good game. I fell asleep for most of it. Once the German goal went down, I started nodding off. I saw the US's best shots and that pile up in the US penalty box.
 
Several Pile ups at the Indirects and Directs...

The best was the ref having to go in and straighten them dudes out like a bouncer..
 
im proud with the way we played today(if there is such a thing as falling down standing up, this was it),,and let me tell u something,, 4 years from now and if he stays healthy,those balls are going in the net for donovan. Obrian is only going to get better, and when beasley hits off his deca/winstrol cycles, look out!! reyna showed us why he's the captian

our "core" players are still young or in their prime(our Defenders now are 28-30 years old so maybe not all of them will be back 4 years from now), and we have a shit load of good young defensive players in MLS. We are really deep at the GK position,,wolff,beasley,donovan,obrian,mathis,mastroeni will be there in 2006 4 years older and 4 years wiser

cya in germany!!!!
 
Serious question....

did anyone in the U.S. really give a shit about the world cup, or was it just a matter of rooting for the home team? Let's face it, most North American kids play soccer but give it up (if they're so athletically gifted) for a real sport (no offence intended to the rest of the world... I know "football" is a big part of your culture).
 
UpperTone said:
Serious question....

did anyone in the U.S. really give a shit about the world cup, or was it just a matter of rooting for the home team? Let's face it, most North American kids play soccer but give it up (if they're so athletically gifted) for a real sport (no offence intended to the rest of the world... I know "football" is a big part of your culture).

to answer your question,,YES, alot of americans follow soccer and support the US team in the US,,,,great article in the NYdaily news: (here it is)

Here's the deal: If you hate soccer, if you want it to go away and leave you alone, keep the opinion to yourself.

Don't tell me about it. Don't write about your animosity, trying forever to tilt the scales. Don't brag about your ignorance — not until you find a fresh, entertaining way to make your point.

And I don't think that can happen, because it's been done, and done to death, until it is now the worst cliche in American sports journalism.

Don't "nil-nil" me. Don't "immigrant" me. Don't "suburban white kids" me. Just don't do it anymore.

Because you're making a fool of yourself — on the radio, on the television, in the newspapers. You really are. The derision sounds stale and stupid. No matter what happens this morning between Germany and the U.S. — even if it turns into the dullest, zero-zero, penalty-kicking fiasco — the time for mockery is done.

Soccer wins. You lose. Shut up about it.
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Take a look at the U.S. team at this World Cup. It is a montage of diversity, of different paths taken. There are the immigrants, like Pablo Mastroeni and Carlos Llamosa; the first generation players, like Claudio Reyna and Tony Sanneh. There are suburban kids, like Landon Donovan, and city kids, like DaMarcus Beasley.

There are blacks, whites, Hispanics. There are Christians and a Jew. There are big guys and little guys. Soccer is an egalitarian activity, reaching across both race and gender.

The U.S. national team is filled with New York locals. Llamosa lives on Long Island and survived the first World Trade Center attack nine years ago. Chris Armas, out with an injury, is Bronx-born and is living in Brentwood. Reyna and Tony Meola are North Jersey products. Clint Mathis plays for the MetroStars.

The coach, Bruce Arena, is Brooklyn-born and Long Island nurtured.

The sport has wormed its way into the vocabulary, inside the athletic-equipment stores in New York and elsewhere. Soccer moms. Handballs. Brazil jerseys. It is on cable channels, brightening the programming hours that would otherwise be filled with dangerous trashsport.

Cable networks, more than the World Cup or any youth league, are what have boosted spectator soccer, what will keep it alive. You want to make fun of the World Cup ratings? Go ahead. They're breaking records in the middle of the night, even if they aren't going through the roof.

Millions are watching at 3a.m. That's enough.

Here's another thing: You don't have to be afraid of soccer. Really. If you just go out and learn a few names, a few rules, you'll become one of America's great experts. As Mathis says, "If it's jumping on the bandwagon, who cares?"

Soccer isn't morally reprehensible, like boxing. It's not exploitative, like women's gymnastics.

It's not going to steal your NFL Sundays. It won't wreck the Mets vs. Yankees. Soccer is a niche sport in this country, like hockey or tennis or golf.

Do you really think every newspaper in New York should have four hockey writers, and zero full-time soccer writers? That will change, too. The MetroStar matches are drawing five-figure crowds. Those fans read newspapers, watch the TV news, buy merchandise, just like the hockey fans.

The MLS is losing money. There isn't enough coverage. But the journalists who won't get near the sport, who can't stop celebrating the Brooklyn Dodgers or reliving Ali-Frazier, will not be setting the agenda in 20 years.

"I hate to put it this way," said one soccer official in Seoul this week. "But basically we have to wait for these media gatekeepers to die of old age and be replaced by those who get it."

I like to think they can change sooner than that, at least enough to stop stomping on the game.

Not everybody likes every sport. As I grow older, I find myself enjoying frenetic events like hockey and pro football less and less. My metabolism fits best now with baseball, tennis and soccer.

I don't expect that to be true of everybody. There is nothing wrong with finding soccer dull and dreary. Some people need more of an adrenaline rush, a more concentrated fury. Others really do require more scoring. They don't have the patience for the cathartic goal.

Fine. Just don't complain to me anymore. After the U.S. successes at this World Cup, after the women's championship in '99, after the last 20 years, I shouldn't have to hear or read about it.
 
O.K.

but what does this have to do do with the entertainment value of the sport?:

"Take a look at the U.S. team at this World Cup. It is a montage of diversity, of different paths taken. There are the immigrants, like Pablo Mastroeni and Carlos Llamosa; the first generation players, like Claudio Reyna and Tony Sanneh. There are suburban kids, like Landon Donovan, and city kids, like DaMarcus Beasley.

There are blacks, whites, Hispanics. There are Christians and a Jew. There are big guys and little guys. Soccer is an egalitarian activity, reaching across both race and gender.

The U.S. national team is filled with New York locals. Llamosa lives on Long Island and survived the first World Trade Center attack nine years ago. Chris Armas, out with an injury, is Bronx-born and is living in Brentwood. Reyna and Tony Meola are North Jersey products. Clint Mathis plays for the MetroStars.

The coach, Bruce Arena, is Brooklyn-born and Long Island nurtured. "

That article really didn't answer anything for me & yes n.y. needs four hockey writers, afterall it has 2 sound nhl teams with great stanley cup histories.

anyone else have an answer?
 
UpperTone said:
Serious question....

did anyone in the U.S. really give a shit about the world cup, or was it just a matter of rooting for the home team? Let's face it, most North American kids play soccer but give it up (if they're so athletically gifted) for a real sport (no offence intended to the rest of the world... I know "football" is a big part of your culture).

I've Killed Men For Less.
Your Ignorance is Telling.
You're a Little Bitch.
 
UpperTone said:
O.K.

but what does this have to do do with the entertainment value of the sport?:

"Take a look at the U.S. team at this World Cup. It is a montage of diversity, of different paths taken. There are the immigrants, like Pablo Mastroeni and Carlos Llamosa; the first generation players, like Claudio Reyna and Tony Sanneh. There are suburban kids, like Landon Donovan, and city kids, like DaMarcus Beasley.

There are blacks, whites, Hispanics. There are Christians and a Jew. There are big guys and little guys. Soccer is an egalitarian activity, reaching across both race and gender.

The U.S. national team is filled with New York locals. Llamosa lives on Long Island and survived the first World Trade Center attack nine years ago. Chris Armas, out with an injury, is Bronx-born and is living in Brentwood. Reyna and Tony Meola are North Jersey products. Clint Mathis plays for the MetroStars.

The coach, Bruce Arena, is Brooklyn-born and Long Island nurtured. "

That article really didn't answer anything for me & yes n.y. needs four hockey writers, afterall it has 2 sound nhl teams with great stanley cup histories.

anyone else have an answer?

Actually they have 3 and 4 if you include the devils.
 
You guys have to realize this. FIFA wants Korea in the final and for their last 3 games the refs have called everything for them. Against Portugal/Italy and Spain. When will this bullshit stop? Spain should have won this game in e/t.
 
HAHAHA!
LOL@cure!

Sounds like a sore loser.
Hey, are the Azurris going to have Anh banned from FIFA play too?

Keep us updated on Italia's lawsuit against FIFA.

Hehehe!
 
Has nothing to do with Italy but the relevance of these refs making blatant calls against all 3 nations. I'm all for the underdog as i loved Ireland, the US, Senegal, Poland, Turkey...yet with Korea something does not seem to smell right.
 
spain were robbed.
 
Cure said:
You guys have to realize this. FIFA wants Korea in the final and for their last 3 games the refs have called everything for them. Against Portugal/Italy and Spain. When will this bullshit stop? Spain should have won this game in e/t.
Ah yes, the international conspiracy. Fifa tells all its referees to make calls for Korea, and noone talks to their families, no press leaks, nothing. The Pentagon is jealous.
Korea in the final may not be as marketable as a Brazil/Germany final (well, outside of Korea anyway). Sad, but true. As it is, the old order is definitely overthrown. No team is a "practice match" anymore.

I would have said Germany was a cinch to beat Korea, but after barely holding on against the US, now I have doubts. So far Korea hasn't been convincingly outplayed, and with a little luck on their side, who knows? A strength is they've been together together for months, unlike other teams whose national coaches can barely get them away from the leagues for practice.
 
oh.. and one of my coworkers has complained that the South Korea field hockey team has gone from a walkover to a tough contender within the last 5 years... he credits it to "secret martial arts training" :)
 
Cure said:
You guys have to realize this. FIFA wants Korea in the final and for their last 3 games the refs have called everything for them. Against Portugal/Italy and Spain. When will this bullshit stop? Spain should have won this game in e/t.

agree. so obvious. First it should have been Spain against Italy. But anyway, since they want Koera in the final then screw them. I'll stick with the Liga and Serie A.....
 
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