Women & Steriods cycles

[surfer girl]

I have recently taken a 6 week cycle of anavar a dose of 5mg in the morning & 5 at night, this seamed to work well. I added in some t3 for weight loss 50mcg in the morn & 50mcg at night but after not even 2 weeks i was so lethargic i found it hard to get out of bed in the morning and had no energy all day. I put it down to the T3 and decided to go off and since I have felt much better by the day & my energy restored.
I am thinking about competiting in 8 weeks in a figure class and my new cycle was to look something like this,

7.5mg Anavar
primobolan tabs (not sure what is the best dose to take)
GH 4IU devided twice daily
T4 to help sygenize the GH

Any thougths on what sort of results i could expect from a stack like this, my diet is clean and training & cardio strong & consistant.

 

[The Shadow]

Drop the primo....and 4 IU is a LOT of h.gh - 7.5 mg is a lot of V.ar as well.

It's your body, but with a proper diet and lifting plan - the above is overkill.

What level show?

 

[Tatyana]

That dose of GH may give you carpal tunnel syndrome.

If you run GH too long, or too much, there are sides that can affect your FACE, such as broadening of the forehead and nose. BTW, the effects are cumulative, which means the number of times you run GH will have an effect on this.

12 weeks on GH max.

I do find it odd that figure girls run gear, unless you are competing in NABBA, where a lot of the women look like BBers in heels with BLING.

 

[surfer girl]

Like i said i have just come off a cycle of anavar 10mgs a day with no side effects so 7.5mg is deffinatly not to much.
Also the cycle of GH was only going to be for 8 weeks which would deffinatly not be enough time for any of the negitive side effects mentioned to take place deffinatly allot of fat loss and perhaps some muscle building increase an energy levels and better mood for sure.
Has anyone stacked primo with anavar before and at what dose?

 

[The Shadow]

Like i said i have just come off a cycle of anavar 10mgs a day with no side effects so 7.5mg is deffinatly not to much.
Also the cycle of gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - was only going to be for 8 weeks which would deffinatly not be enough time for any of the negitive side effects mentioned to take place deffinatly allot of fat loss and perhaps some muscle building increase an energy levels and better mood for sure.
Has anyone stacked Primobolan - methenolone - with anavar before and at what dose?

You asked for advice but are choosing to ignore it.

You are making a common mistake at this point.


You say 7.5 mg var isnt a lot b/c you did 10 in the past.

HOWEVER - you are going to run Primo AND hgh with it.......



No offense - but if you require THAT much gear for a FIGURE class, then your diet, training, cardio, or genetics are WAY off.

Do a search for Primo and hairloss.

 

[surfer girl]

You asked for advice but are choosing to ignore it.

You are making a common mistake at this point.


You say 7.5 mg Anavar - oxandrolone - isnt a lot b/c you did 10 in the past.

HOWEVER - you are going to run Primobolan - methenolone - AND human growth hormone - somatropin - with it.......



No offense - but if you require THAT much gear for a FIGURE class, then your diet, training, cardio, or genetics are WAY off.

Do a search for Primo and hairloss.

I asked for advice doesn't mean i'm going to take yours does it.

 

[Sassy69]

Some people tend to look at "going stronger" by moving up to stronger compounds. I.e "I ran var now I want something stronger so I"m gonna use primo"...

Its hard to know what to suggest not knowing what you are stats are but also 8 weeks is not a lot of time to run anything.

I'd keep the gh to no more than 2 iu ED - 4 iu is waaaay overkill. Primo will take a while to even get itself started and you haven't run it by itself yet - basic rule of stacking is don't stack anything you havent' run by itself.

T3 -- absolutely do not go straight into 100 mcg ED -- remember your thyroid is a critical part of regulating your body's metabolism - more isn't better - its more about easing up and then easing back down. As you saw you got lethargic right away. I'd leave t3 out of the mix.

I also believe that unless you are a seasoned figure competitor at the national level you don't need a stack like this at all.

If you want to run something I'd stay w/ the var as is or max out at 10 mg ED. Run the GH but bring the dose down to 1-2 iu ED.

That's the most productive advice you are going to get for your goals IMO.

 

[florencia]

I asked for advice doesn't mean i'm going to take yours does it.

How rude!!!

 

[surfer girl]

You asked for advice but are choosing to ignore it.

I asked for advice from a forum of people all I ment was why should I take your advice alone?
Don't be so offended.

 

[surfer girl]

Some people tend to look at "going stronger" by moving up to stronger compounds. I.e "I ran Anavar - oxandrolone - now I want something stronger so I"m gonna use Primobolan - methenolone - "...

Its hard to know what to suggest not knowing what you are stats are but also 8 weeks is not a lot of time to run anything.

I'd keep the gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - to no more than 2 iu ED - 4 iu is waaaay overkill. Primo will take a while to even get itself started and you haven't run it by itself yet - basic rule of stacking is don't stack anything you havent' run by itself.

T3 -- absolutely do not go straight into 100 mcg ED -- remember your thyroid is a critical part of regulating your body's metabolism - more isn't better - its more about easing up and then easing back down. As you saw you got lethargic right away. I'd leave t3 out of the mix.

I also believe that unless you are a seasoned figure competitor at the national level you don't need a stack like this at all.

If you want to run something I'd stay w/ the Anavar - oxandrolone - as is or max out at 10 mg ED. Run the GH but bring the dose down to 1-2 iu ED.

That's the most productive advice you are going to get for your goals IMO.

I was never going to take t3 again but i had planned to take T4 to optimize the GH, why is 4IU of GH too much i was only going to use it for the next 8 weeks at that amount?

 

[Sassy69]

I was never going to take t3 again but i had planned to take T4 to optimize the gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - , why is 4IU of GH too much i was only going to use it for the next 8 weeks at that amount?

Unless I went & did some research I can't tell you exactly what is the 'perfect' dose of gh & why you hear about guys who take 6-10iu ED, but gh, just like t3 is a hormone that you are self-medicating with. Again its not like more is better - its more like you want the optimal amount for your body at your age to bring your levels to their optimal natural levels like when you are at your prime (e.g. age 21) when your body is producing the most gh it naturally that it will ever produce.

Just anecdotally speaking most women rarely go over 2 iu ED. No point. The other issues, like what tatyana mentioned is that at higher doses you can experience carpel tunnel symptoms due to fluid retention.

My point is that you don't need to go that high and in practice women don't usually.

I might reverse the question to you - why did you choose a 4iu dose?

And out of further curiosity how did you happen to choose to use 100 mcg t3 & primo tabs?

 

[surfer girl]

Unless I went & did some research I can't tell you exactly what is the 'perfect' dose of gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - & why you hear about guys who take 6-10iu ED, but gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - , just like t3 is a hormone that you are self-medicating with. Again its not like more is better - its more like you want the optimal amount for your body at your age to bring your levels to their optimal natural levels like when you are at your prime (e.g. age 21) when your body is producing the most gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - it naturally that it will ever produce.

Just anecdotally speaking most women rarely go over 2 iu ED. No point. The other issues, like what tatyana mentioned is that at higher doses you can experience carpel tunnel symptoms due to fluid retention.

My point is that you don't need to go that high and in practice women don't usually.


I might reverse the question to you - why did you choose a 4iu dose?

And out of further curiosity how did you happen to choose to use 100 mcg t3 & Primobolan - methenolone - tabs?

I was going to use 4IU of GH because i wanted a fat burning effect in a short space of time (8weeks) and i think it's a safe and effective short term dose. I thought this would help build muscle & hold onto what i have instead of having to use large amounts of avar or the like.

I was advised to use more actually but thought i was being conservative taking this amount, as i knew someone who took double and had great results.
As for the primobolan I basicially choose to use this (which I have not yet started) by researching women & steriod use and it seamed to be a common stack that worked well for women without bad side effects.

 

[slat1]

7.5mg Anavar
primobolan tabs (not sure what is the best dose to take)
gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - 4IU devided twice daily
T4 to help sygenize the GH

Any thougths on what sort of results i could expect from a stack like this, my diet is clean and training & cardio strong & consistant.

FYI that is more juice then a few IFBB Pro womens bbers take that I am friends with.
You may want to double check you diet!

 

[surfer girl]

FYI that is more juice then a few IFBB Pro womens bbers take


FYI???
GH is what i'm taking and it is not juice, if you can afford to take more why not!

 

[The Shadow]

FYI that is more juice then a few IFBB Pro womens bbers take that I am friends with.
You may want to double check you diet!

No shit.


Some people will ask a myriad of folks until they get the ONE answer that they want to hear.

She is going to take what she wants to take.


Ultimately it is her choice, and if she chooses to ignore everyone's advice on here, then she has no one to blame but herself.


There is TONS of research online that indicates the risk verus reward aspect of women and gear - it isn't hard to find.


I said it once and I will say it again...any female who needs that much shit for a FIGURE contest would be WELL served to get diet, training and cardio in order....that is a fact.

 

[The Shadow]

FYI that is more juice then a few IFBB Pro womens bbers take


FYI???
gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - - growth hormone (somatropin) - is what i'm taking and it is not juice, if you can afford to take more why not!

LOL


um.....hello??


You DID mention Anavar - oxandrolone - and Primobolan - methenolone - , yes??

LMFAO @ "if you can afford more, why not" - that is like saying why not smoke 4 times the amount of crack rock if you can afford it.


Bottom line - sides are dose dependent and you do NOT need all that shit for a figure contest.

What are you current stats??


You had a baby a few months back, right?

 

[surfer girl]

LOL





What are you current stats??


167cm tall 59 kg's 15% bodyfat.
DO anyof you knwo anyone PERSONALLY who has suffered neg side effects from GH????

 

[musclemom]

FYI that is more juice then a few IFBB Pro womens bbers take


FYI???
gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - is what i'm taking and it is not juice, if you can afford to take more why not!

That's a dangerous attitude about anything you put into your body, whether it's prohormones, prescription drugs, vitamins, food, or alcohol.

More is not always better in terms of health, benefits and especially when you take side effects into consideration.

Just keep in the back of your mind, because you haven't had unpleasant sides yet, doesn't mean you won't ... or you may have something more insidious waiting for you down the road.

 

[Sassy69]

"More is better" is one of the major misconceptions about "hormone therapy". As I mentioned above, the approach an anti-aging doc would use is to determine what are YOUR current hGH levels via IGF-1 levels. THen they would prescribe the amount of exogenous hGH to get you to what would be your optimal levels naturally produced (e.g. if you were 21 yrs old). I honestly have yet to see real science behind why people take upwards of 10 iu ED. So when you ask do you personally know anyone who has suffered sides from GH - most guys who dose at 4 iu+ will tell you they experience carpel tunnel symptoms in the near term. But just like you can run a big fat cycle that may not scar you for life but might fuck you up short term. So its not an argument about Oh I know so & so who did this and you can't give me a good example of a real documented person who suffered side effects. It has A LOT to do w/ being intelligent about using this stuff. Unless you have a full physical and blood panel & hormone levels done by a qualified doctor I doubt anyone can even bother to get into that discussion. The points we are providing have a lot more to do w/ giving you the tools to make a relatively intelligent decision. There is not much available as far as medical studies about women & steroids or women and GH. There isn't because its illegal and most doctors won't touch any of that stuff. There's barely any research available on women and the use of anti-estrogens except for post-menopausal breast cancer patients.

As I mentioned above - the general populous of users of chemical performance enhancers keep the levels of gh to 1-2 iu ED for women. I have no idea who you said recommended 4 iu and got good results - pro level competitor? Experienced competitor or someone who heard about it from someone else and did that w/ no experience of their own? No idea who you are talking about. The only people I think you might find at those levels are experienced pros who do this stuff for a living or compete several times per year. And that's not to say they aren't going to be showing the wear & tear by age 40.

If you can afford the gh, hell why not shoot up 6 or even 10 iu ED? Go for it if you want. I personally recommend no more than 1-2 iu. I don't think of any sort of competition prep as a one-shot deal in teh short term. Its all part of an on-going fitness lifestyle. Same attitude w/ the juice.

Before this whole thread goes down the toilet - you came here asking for comments on a cycle that you apparently got from someone else who runs gh at 4iu & got good results. OK fine. I dont know that person or their history or anything. I dont' know you and please don't tell me you just had a baby recently ... I'm not gonna go there about waiting for your own hormones to get back to normal much less self-medicating w/ male hormones. But I can probably guarantee that you'll get similar comments if you canvassed several other boards to what you've gotten here regarding your chosen cycle because those are the typical and anecdotal types of doses & cycles. Anything above and beyond what you've gotten here is stuff you'll probably have to experiment w/ yourself. I can't speak to the primo tabs - they've only recently come back on the market w/ all the UGs around so you don't see many people using them anyway. And any of that, again subject to basic guidance about stacking stuff you've never used before.

It is always your own personal experiment so maybe you can go for it and keep us updated how it goes.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

I never heard of a woman taking any more then 2 iu of GH fat burning effects kick in on as little as .5 iu per day.

Also from persoal experience I would never recommed primo to another woman it makes you sheed hair like a dog.

 

[Sassy69]

I never heard of a woman taking any more then 2 iu of gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - - growth hormone (somatropin) - fat burning effects kick in on as little as .5 iu per day.

Also from persoal experience I would never recommed Primobolan - methenolone - to another woman it makes you sheed hair like a dog.

The accumulation of DHT will cause that w/ most anything stronger than var or winny. You can reduce the amount by using shampoos such as Nizoral (1% available in most stores by the dandruff shampoo or 2% online)

Also gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - really won't "grow muscle" by itself. Need an anabolic androgenic steroids to make that difference.

 

[surfer girl]

I never heard of a woman taking any more then 2 iu of gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - fat burning effects kick in on as little as .5 iu per day.

Also from persoal experience I would never recommed Primobolan - methenolone - to another woman it makes you sheed hair like a dog.

Ok well thanks for that i probably will leave this one then.

 

[Tatyana]

LOL





What are you current stats??


167cm tall 59 kg's 15% bodyfat.
DO anyof you knwo anyone PERSONALLY who has suffered neg side effects from gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - ????

Hey hun,

Women can be in comp condition at around 10-12% bodyfat, especially for figure, so that is only 3-5 % bodyfat which may only be around 6-10 lbs which is possible to lose in 8 weeks with a comp diet, training and cardio.

I have also heard that women not only hoard fat, we hoard muscle, so as long as you are training and eating enough protein, you don't have to worry about losing muscle.


You sound like you are quite lean already, I wouldn't worry too much.

Is it your first comp? Which federation?

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[Daisy_Girl]

Here are my (late) thoughts.

As previously said, more does not mean better results. More simply means a better chance for sides. You have a short time to prepare - the answer is not load up on drugs/steroids to achieve better results in a shorter timeframe. The answer would be: 1) pick a later show and prepare correctly, or 2) keep going with what you are doing at see what happens. Like Tat said, in 8 weeks, if you are 15% BF, you would likely be able to get down to 10-12% naturally (or with just V.ar) assuming diet and training are spot on.

Under your reasoning, why not up the V.ar dose to about 50mg? If you are thinking more=better results? Why not max out the dose of P.rimo? Why not? Because it is STUPID. MORE DOES NOT MEAN BETTER RESULTS. With ANYTHING! If I train for 16 hours a day - will I lean out faster? NO. If i take 3x the fatburner, will I lose more fat? NO. On and on and on .....

You seem to know SOMETHING about general use, but are being stubborn about asking for advice then poo-poo'ing the advice you get. Nobody is telling you not to try a stack, or to stay natural .... but what they ARE doing is trying to get you to your goals SAFELY and SMARTLY (yes, I know this is not a word! ). Just because you have the $$ doesn't mean use it all in one sitting. Use the fact that you "can afford it" to your LONG TERM advantage ..... for furture stacks, future goals. Go basic on the supps - you don't have to get fancy or blow the roof off with doses to get results. Eat smart, train smart and supplement smart - and you will get there. You only get ONE BODY, and a lifetime to reach your goals.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

You only get ONE BODY, and a lifetime to reach your goals.

That is going in my sig

 

[florencia]

167cm tall 59 kg's 15% bodyfat.

Can you post pics? I am about the same weught and height...MUCH OLDER TOO

 

[surfer girl]

Can you post pics? I am about the same weught and height...MUCH OLDER TOO

Thanks for all your replys I guess the question i am trying to ask is about doeses to take rather than wether or not to take it but don't get me wrong, I have taken all said into consideration...

Ok...I am 7 weeks out now, I am not currently taking anything. I thoguht I could start with 5mg Anavar - oxandrolone - for the 1st week then up to 10mg for the remaining 6 weeks, 2IU growth per day and 50mcgs T3 broken into 2 (25mcg's inthe morning & 25 at night) to assist with those stubbon areas that the fat doesn't want to shift.
my diet is clean, I have been having some carbs for lunch, but will decrease this in the coming weeks, cardio 45 mins in the evenings and training 4-5 times a week??
Here is a current picture let me know your thoughts.
Keep in mind the cycle I am considering is only for the next 6 weeks.

 

[florencia]

I know what you mean by stubborn areas...I hope it works for you.
I am NO expert and not even close to one, yet I retain water with oxandrolone.
Some days I am puffier than others...Have you taken that into consideration? Like right before a show? And I felt the oxandrolone kicking in after 2.5 weeks, not before.
I hope it helps.

 

[Sassy69]

Thanks for all your replys I guess the question i am trying to ask is about doeses to take rather than wether or not to take it but don't get me wrong, I have taken all said into consideration...

Ok...I am 7 weeks out now, I am not currently taking anything. I thoguht I could start with 5mg Anavar - oxandrolone - for the 1st week then up to 10mg for the remaining 6 weeks, 2IU growth per day and 50mcgs T3 broken into 2 (25mcg's inthe morning & 25 at night) to assist with those stubbon areas that the fat doesn't want to shift.
my diet is clean, I have been having some carbs for lunch, but will decrease this in the coming weeks, cardio 45 mins in the evenings and training 4-5 times a week??
Here is a current picture let me know your thoughts.
Keep in mind the cycle I am considering is only for the next 6 weeks.

My couple comments -

- the point of starting at 5 mg var for 1.5 -2 weeks is because it takes that long to really show itself - which means you kinda want to give it the time to show how your body responds to it / its clean / its not fake / its not over dosed / its not something else and THEN up the dose - 5 mg is easy to bail out of if you have to.

- on either the var or the gh - those are good doses to run at but limited impact for only 6 weeks - but the thing you want to watch for is how your body responds to them as far as holding water - either of them - if you start to hold water you want to drop them either all together or at 10 days - 2 weeks out so you'll have time to dump the water before your show date. If you don't see that you are holdign water from either of them, ideal to stop them the week of the show.

- t3 - if you choose to run it , don't stop it cold after the show -- ramp it down over the following week.

- "problem areas" -- you're probably talking about the estrogen-pattern fat deposits we all deal w/ - hips, butt, waist - these are things that for the most part require a 1000% clean diet and even more so A LOT of cardio & conditioning to get them down because you are fighting not only against any non-optimal diet but also the natural tendency of your body to deposit fat as well as just the way your body "is" if you haven't spent a lot of time (i.e. over time, years) conditioning it to not have those problem areas. So just to set expectations for those areas - they don't change quickly or often even in 1 competition prep cycle. Even drugs won't make the total difference.

I don't know your total cals - I'd be really careful about dumping all your carbs because you need something to keep running - at least a carb up of some sort - would suggest carb cycling. And I personally would probably up your cardio towards more like 2 sessions /day at maybe 4 weeks out - you don't look like you have a lot of 'bodyfat' to lose but I think your bodyfat number is more due to less muscle than too much fat. Cardio goes a long way for shaping & tightening bunz and those "problem areas" as well as helping w/ conditioning but you also want to make sure you don't go catabolic w/ it. The var will help that.

 

[surfer girl]

My couple comments -

- the point of starting at 5 mg Anavar - oxandrolone - for 1.5 -2 weeks is because it takes that long to really show itself - which means you kinda want to give it the time to show how your body responds to it / its clean / its not fake / its not over dosed / its not something else and THEN up the dose - 5 mg is easy to bail out of if you have to.

- on either the Anavar - oxandrolone - or the gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - - those are good doses to run at but limited impact for only 6 weeks - but the thing you want to watch for is how your body responds to them as far as holding water - either of them - if you start to hold water you want to drop them either all together or at 10 days - 2 weeks out so you'll have time to dump the water before your show date. If you don't see that you are holdign water from either of them, ideal to stop them the week of the show.

- t3 - if you choose to run it , don't stop it cold after the show -- ramp it down over the following week.

- "problem areas" -- you're probably talking about the estrogen-pattern fat deposits we all deal w/ - hips, butt, waist - these are things that for the most part require a 1000% clean diet and even more so A LOT of cardio & conditioning to get them down because you are fighting not only against any non-optimal diet but also the natural tendency of your body to deposit fat as well as just the way your body "is" if you haven't spent a lot of time (i.e. over time, years) conditioning it to not have those problem areas. So just to set expectations for those areas - they don't change quickly or often even in 1 competition prep cycle. Even drugs won't make the total difference.

I don't know your total cals - I'd be really careful about dumping all your carbs because you need something to keep running - at least a carb up of some sort - would suggest carb cycling. And I personally would probably up your cardio towards more like 2 sessions /day at maybe 4 weeks out - you don't look like you have a lot of 'bodyfat' to lose but I think your bodyfat number is more due to less muscle than too much fat. Cardio goes a long way for shaping & tightening bunz and those "problem areas" as well as helping w/ conditioning but you also want to make sure you don't go catabolic w/ it. The Anavar - oxandrolone - will help that.

Thanks for that, I am going to start my cycle on Sat so i will keep you updated with how it's all going and post some more pictures.

 

[Sassy69]

If I didn't suggest it already, include acidophilus in your daily supplements - any AAS can cause yeast infections.

 

[slat1]

I have recently taken a 6 week cycle of anavar a dose of 5mg in the morning & 5 at night, this seamed to work well. I added in some t3 for weight loss 50mcg in the morn & 50mcg at night but after not even 2 weeks i was so lethargic i found it hard to get out of bed in the morning and had no energy all day. I put it down to the T3 and decided to go off and since I have felt much better by the day & my energy restored.
I am thinking about competiting in 8 weeks in a figure class and my new cycle was to look something like this,

7.5mg Anavar
primobolan tabs (not sure what is the best dose to take)
gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - - growth hormone (somatropin) - 4IU devided twice daily
T4 to help sygenize the GH

Any thougths on what sort of results i could expect from a stack like this, my diet is clean and training & cardio strong & consistant.

Here are some things to think about:
- 4 IU's of GH is what a National level Super Heavyweight (250 lbs) MALE bodybuilder takes on the advice of a steroid guru who is know for heavy cycles!
- I am friends with some IFBB Pro female bodybuilders who have never used more then 5mgs of Anavar - oxandrolone - and a little Clenbuterol!!!!

It sounds like the diet must be off.

 

[slat1]

LOL





What are you current stats??


167cm tall 59 kg's 15% bodyfat.
DO anyof you knwo anyone PERSONALLY who has suffered neg side effects from gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - ????

I see it all the time.
I judge bodybuilding, fitness and figure in Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Rhode Island, Massachussettes and Connecticut.
The whole midsection gets effected.
GH has been shown to promote only tissue growth and bone growth. The company that makes Serostim was fine a few million dollars for saying it did other things too.
Note that tissue means organs not muscles. Once they grow they do not get smaller.
Much like the side effects of AAS they start on the inside and work there way out. When you see them its too late!

 

[slat1]

Keep in mind GH can make you hold water under the skin and in the muscle!
That can cause all sorts of body image issues depending on how you respond to it.

 

[Tatyana]

I see it all the time.
I judge bodybuilding, fitness and figure in Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Rhode Island, Massachussettes and Connecticut.
The whole midsection gets effected.
gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - has been shown to promote only tissue growth and bone growth. The company that makes Serostim was fine a few million dollars for saying it did other things too.
Note that tissue means organs not muscles. Once they grow they do not get smaller.
Much like the side effects of anabolic androgenic steroids they start on the inside and work there way out. When you see them its too late!

I just watched two DVDs of the qualifiers for the Brits, and saw some of the most digusting GH bellies I have ever seen................

Blown out with 'ab lines' on them.

From a lot of the papers I have been reading, GH is overated, unless of course, you make you own (in your body).

There have been very few studies done on trained athletes (as of 2002), and they didn't find any significant difference in strength, lean tissue gain or body fat.

WHat GH will do is move bodyfat from your belly to the periphery, and if you are a woman.............

 

[Sassy69]

SG - updates?

 

[slat1]

There have been very few studies done on trained athletes (as of 2002), and they didn't find any significant difference in strength, lean tissue gain or body fat.

QUOTE]

Keep in mind LBM and tissue are two different things.
LBM is muscles... tissue is organs!

 

[Bikini Mod]

It seems that there isn't much I can say that the other board members before me haven't said.

I must echoe the sentiments that when it comes to any aspect of fitness (which A/S, GH and the like are not a necessary component) *more is better* approach is definitely counterproductive, but you seem to have your mind made up. I just don't understand why you would feel "the need" to place such agents into your body when you were told by nearly everyone on the thread that they are hardly warranted for the goal you have in mind.

I do wish you good luck though and do hope that you achieve the desired result.

 

[Tatyana]

Have you had your comp yet hun?

 

[surfer girl]

Yes

 

[Tatyana]

Thanks for sharing the pics!

You look good in the pic, how did you place?

Not that it matters, I think anyone who gets their bikini clad butt on the stage is a heroine!