Winter cycle what do you think

[Flash421]

Haven't been on here for a while and figured I would stop in to see what you guys think of my second cycle
Age-24
Weight-190
BF-12-14
Exp-4 years lifting
Other cycle
Week 1-8 testE 250mg a week
Week 1-3 25mg dbol

Week 1-10 500mg testE 2 inj/week
Week 1-8 300mg deca
Week 1-4 50mg dbol

Forma stanzol week 1-14
Unleashed/post cycle PCT

Would appriciate any responses to critic this cycle.
Goal is to put on mass and get stronger. And how many cals you think I should eat a day for maximum mass

 

[Flash421]

Come on fellas were you all at

 

[NOS2.0]

deca is never recommended for 2nd cycles
Stick to just test 500
dbol 40
make sure you have your support supps and PCT beforehand

 

[Flash421]

Ight thanks bro what would be a safe substitute maybe eq?

 

[NOS2.0]

EQ is great but you would need at leat 14 weeks IMO
test 600
eq500
I really dont think that dbol is worth it. if you can wait 4 weeks for your test to show you dont have to put your body under more stress with the oral.

 

[Foamy27]

Test/tbol is a nice second cycle. should be some solid gains.

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[NOS2.0]

Tbol is great mild compound for solid gains. The only thing is the gamble of whether you will be a non responder to it. In some people it just simply doesnt work. I would suggest a Tbol only cycle to see if you are wasting your money. If it is stacked to begin with it could be masked by the test. Much better option compared to dbol IMO.

 

[gymjunkie09]

Haven't been on here for a while and figured I would stop in to see what you guys think of my second cycle
Age-24
Weight-190
BF-12-14
Exp-4 years lifting
Other cycle
Week 1-8 testE 250mg a week
Week 1-3 25mg dbol

Week 1-10 500mg testE 2 inj/week
Week 1-8 300mg deca
Week 1-4 50mg dbol

Forma stanzol week 1-14
Unleashed/post cycle PCT

Would appriciate any responses to critic this cycle.
Goal is to put on mass and get stronger. And how many cals you think I should eat a day for maximum mass

deca is fine for your second cycle, I ran it with my first....extend the test to 12 weeks and the deca to 10 and get yourself some caber and be sure to have letro on hand and run a solid pct and you will be fine bro...here is a qucik outline

Test 500mg/week 1-12
Deca 300mg/week 1-10
Dbol 30mg ed 1-4

Hcg 250i.u.'s 2x/week 4-12
1,000i.u.'s weeks 13,14
Dostinex .5mg 2x/week 1-18

Forma should be fine but have letro on hand

Pct
Hcgenerate 16-20
Post cycle/unleashed 16-20
Clomid 25mg ed 16-20

Phsytoserms 20-24

Bridge thru next cycle

An aggressive pct is necessary when using deca stick to what I've layed out and you'll be g2g



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[Flash421]

Thanks for the input guys that's why I like this place

Now how many clean cals should I eat to get maximum gain on this cycle

 

[Judo Tom]

id skip the deca and lower the dbol dosage. no need to be that high if it is good dbol.

how was your 1st cycle? you are basically taking in 3x as much this time. that is a big jump

 

[Flash421]

Maybe I'm just getting over excited what if I go 500mg test 250 deca and no dbol...is there a risk in jumping to quick?
And first cycle wasn't bad had to
Cut short because of personal reasons but saw great gains while on and kept about everything I gained

 

[Foamy27]

No one is going to recommend deca for a second cycle bro. And even if we did, 250mg pw is not enough, I'd say 400mg a week would be a good dose.

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[Flash421]

Seems alittle high at 400 don't you think why would 250 not be enough?

 

[Flash421]

And why is it not recommended for a second cycle not arguing just wondering

 

[Judo Tom]

tough recovery for most people and the sides are harder to deal with.

 

[Flash421]

Ok I understand I may just drop the deca and dbol and run just 500mg test

I would like to hear from the other side as well people that have takin deca there first or second cycle and what they done to recover

 

[gymjunkie09]

Ok I understand I may just drop the deca and dbol and run just 500mg test

I would like to hear from the other side as well people that have takin deca there first or second cycle and what they done to recover

I ran test/deca/dbol for my cycle but it was for the transformation contest and I had cycle designed for me and a ton of support throughout the cycle. I see no reason why you can't run it for your second cycle.....Do what YOU wanna do, I'm telling you if you follow the protocol I've layed out for you then you will be fine.....although recovery is tough compared to a test only cycle. Bottom line at the end of the day it's your body, you're gonna have people telling you go ahead and you're gonna have people telling you not to. Make the decision for yourself. Good luck with whatever you decide

 

[gymjunkie09]

Seems alittle high at 400 don't you think why would 250 not be enough?

keep it at 300, this is the first time you'll be using deca. 300mg/week is plenty to make gains, if you don't gain on that dose then you need to check diet/training. See how your body reacts and if you feel comfortable bump it to 400mg next time you run it. Which is exactly what i'm doing

 

[gymjunkie09]

No one is going to recommend deca for a second cycle bro. And even if we did, 250mg pw is not enough, I'd say 400mg a week would be a good dose.

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I don't see anything wrong with it as long is it's ran correctly at a moderate dose with proper support and pct....A.I.,dostinex, hcg and a rock solid pct

 

[Flash421]

Thanks guys I appriciate all the input I believe I'll stick with test 500mg and deca 300mg and drop the dbol

 

[gymjunkie09]

Thanks guys I appriciate all the input I believe I'll stick with test 500mg and deca 300mg and drop the dbol

why you dropping the dbol? 30mg weeks 1-4, grab some liver support and your good to go.

 

[Flash421]

Is milk thissel good enough for a 30mg dose

 

[gymjunkie09]

Is milk thissel good enough for a 30mg dose

I used n2guard from needtobuildmuscle.com when I ran dbol

 

[Flash421]

Pretty good stuff??

 

[gymjunkie09]

Pretty good stuff??

Bout as good as you can get for cycle support, I know for a fact that my bp was better after 4 weeks of dbol than it was when I started it so it must of done something lol. There's also forged liver support or you could go the old school way and use milk thistle but if you've got the extra cash I would pick up some n2guard