Winstrol usage pros / cons ?

[Voijn]

Hey guys

I thought about running some Winstrol with my Primobolan cycle, im currenly at week 4 and got 6 weeks to go! on 4ml EW

Could i throw the winny in 50ed, ive heard that i will decrease SHGB but im not that sure about what the hell that SHGB really does, something that it unbounds free T or am i totaly wrong

Ive also read that winny will shut you down, but ive also heard that it does not do it. So question is will i need to run HCG after my cycle of 6weeks primobolan and winny togetter?
400ew primo 50ed winny?

Reason im going to run the winny while doing the primo is to increase my strength, i remember once running it for 20days and got my strength increased white alot went from 100kg 3reps to 6-7reps question is if it was placebo dunno

But main thing is,i really dont want to get shut down and run hcg due to that i do not have that big amount of money because that i am moveing into the city

please help guys

 

[nydj66]

1.) Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG) binds to testosterone (and other anabolic steroids) and blocks it from activating anabolic receptors like we want it to. Thus, decreasing SHBG will allow more free tesosterone (or other steroid) in the blood and correspondingly higher gains.

2.) Any anabolic in doses high enough to cause muscle gain will shut off endogenous testosterone production. So, you would be advised to use HCG after your 10 week cycle regardless of whether or not you add winny.

3.) It would be better for you to add a small amount of testosterone to your cycle to maintain libido. Scherring's own study on using Primobolan in place of testosterone for HRT reported a loss of libido for patients; likely due to low estrogen levels. Winny does not aromatize to estrogen so adding it will not help your libido. You don't have issues yet at 4 weeks but it's likely you will without tesosterone.

4.) Add the winny if you want to. It'll be additional anabolic and will increase your gains.

 

[Voijn]

Thank you for the information! helpt alot

So every steroide will shut you down more or less, becouse it increases the amount of test in the body more then the htpa does produce; meaning the body has to much and therefore decreasing your own test? or am i wrong

But anabolic, means building right? winstrol doesent build more muscle, as far as ive understood.. but ive heard that its a good androgene increasing strength?

 

[nydj66]

Thank you for the information! helpt alot

So every steroide will shut you down more or less, becouse it increases the amount of test in the body more then the htpa does produce; meaning the body has to much and therefore decreasing your own test? or am i wrong

You are exactly right. Some AAS are harder to recover from than others but any steroid cycle will shut off testosterone production after about 3 weeks.

But anabolic, means building right? winstrol doesent build more muscle, as far as ive understood.. but ive heard that its a good androgene increasing strength?

Just about all AAS have some anabolic activity and some androgenic activity. Winny will build muscle, just not as fast as some other AAS. Winny will also increase strength at the same weight; but again, I can think of some others that do it better.

A big advantage of winny is that it does not convert to estrogen so it does not add water weight. The same is true of Primo.

 

[Voijn]

You dont actually mean Shut off the test production that would mean that it either stops it or lowers it to the point of zero? do you mean decreasing it?

My worst nightmare is to use roids or pct that can cause gyno, Hcg and clomid should be able to increase estrogene as a side effect wich can cause gyno?
I also hate the thought that i might lose my gains due to being shutdown alittle.. Ive researched alot on nutrients that are able to boost or decrease estrogene / testesterone and ive actually thought about going to the hospital to present my research

Ive found nutrients that are able to inhibit estrogene in binding "like the drug nolvadex"
Also Mega doses of following are able to raise T levels
Zink
Magnisium
Onion juice
Vitamin D
Ginger
Oliven oile
Calcium

I know that in some acations pct is neccesary, due to being shut down. But how come alot say that winstrol or primobolan will not shut you down as much as other roids will?? thats one of the reason i first off did winstrol for like 20days and discontinued due to weekation, then i went on primobolan and im on week 4 and just thought about adding the winstrol for more gains

Just dont wish to be shut down, ive heard some cant recover from it :| wtf

 

[thelocal]

yes it can shut u down to the point of not producing any test at all natty,thats one of the sides

 

[Nelson Montana]

Some info on SHBG: Double unleashed Pack

 

[nydj66]

You dont actually mean Shut off the test production that would mean that it either stops it or lowers it to the point of zero? do you mean decreasing it?

My worst nightmare is to use roids or pct that can cause gyno, Hcg and clomid should be able to increase estrogene as a side effect wich can cause gyno?
I also hate the thought that i might lose my gains due to being shutdown alittle.. Ive researched alot on nutrients that are able to boost or decrease estrogene / testesterone and ive actually thought about going to the hospital to present my research

Ive found nutrients that are able to inhibit estrogene in binding "like the drug nolvadex"
Also Mega doses of following are able to raise T levels
Zink
Magnisium
Onion juice
Vitamin D
Ginger
Oliven oile
Calcium

I know that in some acations pct is neccesary, due to being shut down. But how come alot say that winstrol or primobolan will not shut you down as much as other roids will?? thats one of the reason i first off did winstrol for like 20days and discontinued due to weekation, then i went on primobolan and im on week 4 and just thought about adding the winstrol for more gains

Just dont wish to be shut down, ive heard some cant recover from it :| wtf

When I say shut off I mean zero testosterone production or close to it. The shorter the cycle you run, the easier it is for your testes (and HPTA) to recover.

Some AAS, like tren and deca increae prolactin levels and are especially hard to recover from.

If you avoid tren, deca, and anadrol; gyno comes strictly from estrogen. That is easily controlled using an AI like arimidex.

Since the age of 40 I have been on TRT so I am not concerned with recovery. However, if I were you I would stick with 6 weeks cycles using short acting AAS and low doses of testosterone as the base. For instance:

wk 1-6: test prop 100mg EOD
wk 1-6: winny 50mg/day

wk 8-10: PCT product of your choice. (I used 50mg/day clomid back in the old days)

Then just have arimidex on hand in case your nipples get itchy and you're protected from gyno.

The above cycle will:
Be easier to recover from than 10 wks of primo
Be less expensive than 10 wks primo
Likely give better results than 10 wks primo
Will not harm your libido

 

[Voijn]

that is some serious shit! i dident think that these drugs where able to shut you down totaly just a decrease.. ZOMG
As far as pct goes, i think that i would go with clomid.

well prolactin and progesterone induced gyno can accour with roids that do not aromatise into estrogene, so if ure sensative enough a drug like anavar could give you prolactin or progesterone gyno, either by increasing it normaly or by receptor cross over.

But so far i have no problems with nipples, so think im on the good side. But Darn so clomid is a must, idd rather go with clomid then hcg :|
now im afraid that i will become shut down and not be able to recover LOl

 

[ALIN]

I like WINSTROL really well. Never had any real sides from it ever. Makes my physique rock hard.