winstrol question new bie plz winni ppl unit and help me

[brotherneedhelp]

hey im thinkin of using Anavar, or Primobolan or hrol after 2 weeks
which 1 is better for cutting up and safer?
i am gonna be 23 in october
i am 80 kg 15 - 17 % bf
diet always in check
workout 5 times a week
cardio in check
just finished a bulk findin it hard to preserve mscle

been workoin out religusly for 2 yrs
ive never used any aas nor steroids nor prohormones used clen a few days back.

a few question that rose up?

is Anavar, or Primobolan hdrol for beginers?

is Anavar, or Primobolan hrol safe?

how do i sfely use Anavar, or Primobolanl hdrol?(tabs)

will Anavar, or Primobolan hdrol cause acne ? if it does how can i avoid it?

what are the things with Anavar, or Primobolan hrol i need to use..

are the sides seruis...

my aim is to get ripped!

plzzzzzzz help
im surronded by idiots that are gna end up tellin me the wrong things as they did on clen!!!

 

[Zyglamail]

Winnie only for most is a bad plan. It can cause some very uncomfortable joint pain when used at doses high enough "get ripped". Winny can be hard on hair line, depends on genetics. Winny like most orals shouldnt be run for very long because its hard on the liver. Simply put most oral only cycles are not the cycle of choice.

On a side note, if you diet was in check you would already be ripped or close to it or at worse case be at low BF and just need to add some mass. How tall are you and how long have you been lifting?

 

[d_rson]

On a side note, if you diet was in check you would already be ripped or close to it or at worse case be at low BF and just need to add some mass. How tall are you and how long have you been lifting?

+1 ^^^^^

I don't put much faith in "diet is in check" in any post, when someone is above say 15% BF and trying to cut that down by resorting to AAS.

 

[chesty]

Why winnie only?

 

[EZ_E]

If you only weigh 80kg and you BF is that high there's probably a diet issue going on...or training issue...or both

Can you post you diet and training routine?

~EZ

 

[brotherneedhelp]

Winnie only for most is a bad plan. It can cause some very uncomfortable joint pain when used at doses high enough "get ripped". Winny can be hard on hair line, depends on genetics. Winny like most orals shouldnt be run for very long because its hard on the liver. Simply put most oral only cycles are not the cycle of choice.

On a side note, if you diet was in check you would already be ripped or close to it or at worse case be at low BF and just need to add some mass. How tall are you and how long have you been lifting?

hey i am 5 ft 7 inches ....ive been lifting for 2 years

 

[brotherneedhelp]

If you only weigh 80kg and you BF is that high there's probably a diet issue going on...or training issue...or both

Can you post you diet and training routine?

~EZ

diet is like this since the past 3- 5 months

bulking which is finished i was 71 kg then

was 1600 - 1850 cal

protein 270 grams
carbs 70 -80 grams
fat 40 - 50 grams

have my carbs breakfast, pre a littl, and post majority

workin out for 2 years
cardio well conditioned since the beggining 20 min on bulk 5 times a week li
30 - 45 cardio 6 times a week li

this got me from 82 to 79 kg by week 16 saving as much mscle as i could
weight lifitin for cutting
Cut Diet Peak Pyramid Training
The Spilt Overview
Day 1: Chest and Abs
Day 2: Back
Day 3: OFF
Day 4: Shoulders
Day 5: Arms and Calves
Day 6: Legs and Abs
Day 7: OFF
Week 1: 15, 12 WORKOUT A
Week 2: 15, 12, 10 WORKOUT B
Week 3: 15, 12, 10, 8 WORKOUT A
Week 4: 15, 12, 10, 8, 6 WORKOUT B

Week 5: 6, 8, 10, 12, 15 WORKOUT A
Week 6: 6, 8, 10, 12 WORKOUT B
Week 7: 6, 8, 10 WORKOUT A
Week 8: 6, 8 WORKOUT B
Week 9: 15, 12 WORKOUT A
Week 10: 15, 12, 10 WORKOUT B
Week 11: 15, 12, 10, 8 WORKOUT A
Week 12: 15, 12, 10, 8, 6 WORKOUT B
Week 13: 6, 8, 10, 12, 15 WORKOUT A
Week 14: 6, 8, 10, 12 WORKOUT B
Week 15: 6, 8, 10 WORKOUT A
Week 16: 6, 8 WORKOUT B
Week 17: SHOWTIME WEEK!
Alternate between workout A and workout B each week.
Week 1 = workout A,
week 2 =workout B, week 3 = workout A, week 4 = workout B, etc.

Chest Workout A
Flat Bench Press
Incline DB Press
Flat DB Flies
High-Pulley Cable Crossovers
Ab Workout #1
Decline Crunches 3 X 8-12
Back Extensions 3 X 8-12

Chest Workout B
Incline Barbell Press
Flat DB Press
Incline DB Flies
Low-Pulleys Cable Crossovers
Ab Workout #2
Lying or Hanging Leg Raises 3 X 8-12
Torso Twist 3 X 8-12

Back Workout A
Pull-Ups
Bent Over Row
T-Bar Row
Straight-Arm Pulldown

Back Workout B
Chin-Ups
Deadlifts
Lat Pulldowns
Seated Cable Row
Delts + Traps Workout A
Military Press
DB Side Lateral
Bent Over Cable Lateral
Barbell Shrug
DB Shrug
Delts + Traps Workout B
DB Shoulder Press
1-Arm Cable Lateral
Bent Over DB Rear Lateral
Behind the Back Barbell Shrug
Reverse Pec Dec

Arms+Calves Workout A
Barbell Curl
Close Grip Bench
Cable Curl
Tricep Pressdown
Standing Calf Raise
Seated Calf Raise
Arms+Calves Workout B
DB Curl
Skull Crusher
Reverse Cable Curl
Reverse Tricep Pressdown
Seated Calf Raise
Standing Calf Raise

Leg Workout A
Squats
Stiff Leg Deadlift
Leg Extension
Leg Curl
Ab Workout #2
Lying or Hanging Leg Raises 3 X 8-12
Torso Twist 3 X 8-12

Leg Workout B
Hack Squat or Front Squats
Leg Press
Seated Leg Curl
DB Lunges
Ab Workout #1
Decline Crunches 3 X 8-12
Back Extensions 3 X 8-1

 

[brotherneedhelp]

Why winnie only?

i would consider other things ....like what ? im lookin for safe ....focusing on no acne and hair loss

 

[brotherneedhelp]

Winnie only for most is a bad plan. It can cause some very uncomfortable joint pain when used at doses high enough "get ripped". Winny can be hard on hair line, depends on genetics. Winny like most orals shouldnt be run for very long because its hard on the liver. Simply put most oral only cycles are not the cycle of choice.

On a side note, if you diet was in check you would already be ripped or close to it or at worse case be at low BF and just need to add some mass. How tall are you and how long have you been lifting?

this answer made the choice for me winne is out !!! thou how bout the three new 1 s i posted wat do think bout those ?

 

[brotherneedhelp]

hey ppl tell me if this post from another site is rit speacilly nmber 1 if anavar will not supress the htpa!!!?



Decent FAQ on Anavar
I found this on another forum. I was reading up on Anavar (a friend recommended it) And while I know the recommendation of using tribulus is outdated, this seemed like a good read and I thought I would share it.

For your consideration:




Going to ask about anavar alone? READ THIS FIRST
By Dflood @ AR





I have seen about three threads a day in the past month on anavar alone, and they all turn into arguments involving the same parties....so let this just be a "guide" for an individual planning/considering using oxandrolone as a standalone compound.

First, id like to get a few things straight about var.

MYTHS

Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the HPTA.
False. Anavar, used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used.

Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic, and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound.
This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 40mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14.
If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT.

Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT.
This is one ive never understood. It's a pretty commonly known fact now that var is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid/nolva....this is your testicular function we're talking about. That said, PCT required for var is not as "heavy" as PCT for, say, a test/eq cycle. 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient.


LIBIDO

The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this.

#1 - Tribulus + Avena Sativa - Trib at 4-7g a day and Avena Sativa at 3-4g a day tend to help prevent any loss in performance or ability to get it up. However, using effective dosages is going to end up being as or more expensive than options 2 or 3...but its your call.

#2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar, then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron, starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too .

#3 - Maintenance Test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep nolva onhand on the off chance that you are severely gyno prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage.

BENEFITS

Anavar is a badass drug. This is why.

#1 - Vascularity
Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21.

#2 - Pumps
When on var, the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage.

#3 - Strength
Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21.

#4 - Fat Loss
Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this...if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on var, its not gonna happen .

CYCLE

Anavar should be run @ at least 40mg a day to see all of the benefits it offers. Dosages upwards of 80mg have been shown to exhibit diminishing returns. Also, i cant imagine the intensity of the pumps at that kind of dosage.

Cycle #1
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Tribulus 5-8g ED Weeks 1-12
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-12
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

Cycle #2
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Proviron 25mg ED Weeks 3-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

Cycle #3
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Test Prop 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

If bulking, Test Enanthate could be substituted for prop, and 100mg could be injected every 3-4 days...however, this could cause more bloating, and complicate PCT timing.

LIVER PROTECTION

Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid, and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most.

It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle. A few preventive measures never hurt anyone .

1 - Milk Thistle
The classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin

2 - R ALA
A powerful antioxidant

3 - NAC
Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione

4 - Vitamin C and E
Antioxidants

5 - LOADS of water
Helps to flush out your entire system

LIPID PROTECTION

Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (winny being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax...

1 - Flax Oil
Consuming lots of omega fatty acids promotes overall health, as well as helping to keep your lipid profile from becoming too bad.

2 - Policosanol
Used at 20mg daily to keep your HDL (good cholesterol) levels from crashing, and your LDL from becoming too high.

3 - Niacin
Preferably the flush free variety. If you wish, niacin can be used at 1-2g ED for a short period post-cycle to normalize HDL levels. Do not use for more than 7-14 days, as liver toxicity can be an issue when using those dosages of niacin for long periods of time.