I started to feel joint soreness between my 5th and 6th week. After the cycle, which I lay off for some rest from any juice(helps the muscles to grow) for a month or two before starting my next cycle the soreness went away in a week. On the alcohol situation I'm with ericahl. Once in a while is alright, this does'nt mean that once in a while you'll get hammered. Winstrol affects the liver in excessive use, be careful.