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Can anyone tell me about their experience on Winstrol? Just wondering how it effects a woman's body and how long it took before seeing any results. Thanks in advance!
Winstrol and Women
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My first two question - Why do you want to take Winstrol? What do you think you will gain from it?
Dirt Bike Girl
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To be used as a cutting agent.
Sassy69
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Generally -- most of what you can expect you can find in any winny profile. Winny tends to either like you are hate you as far as getting sick (similar to sus flu). Sides can really suck as far as acne / bacne, hair loss, voice cracking / deepening. Cutting - primarily depends on your diet & training. You in competition or what's the whole program?
Winny is not a cutting drug. Cutting comes from diet. In women, Winny tends to bloat them. SOME, very select few women, lose BF on Winny - but that is also in conjunction with a SMART training program, a CLEAN diet and an already low BF%.
Potential sides from Winny include hair loss, acne all over the body, clitoris enlargement, voice deepening, and other masculinization effects. Nobody can say what sides you will/will not get. Sides are individual. Even with low doses, any and all sides are possible and can come up at anytime. If you are not prepared to accept ALL these sides, then it is not a good choice.
If you are considering AAS to cut - I will assume you are around 15% BF or lower? And possibily competing in the near future? Otherwise, it is pretty silly to be considering AAS at this point.
You want some solid advice on cutting - post up some more information and you will get tons of help!
Potential sides from Winny include hair loss, acne all over the body, clitoris enlargement, voice deepening, and other masculinization effects. Nobody can say what sides you will/will not get. Sides are individual. Even with low doses, any and all sides are possible and can come up at anytime. If you are not prepared to accept ALL these sides, then it is not a good choice.
If you are considering AAS to cut - I will assume you are around 15% BF or lower? And possibily competing in the near future? Otherwise, it is pretty silly to be considering AAS at this point.
You want some solid advice on cutting - post up some more information and you will get tons of help!
Dirt Bike Girl
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I am not necessarily looking to compete, just wanting to get rid of the unwanted fat. I am at BF of 18% for 5'10" 140 lbs., so I would definitely like to be rid of it. I run and jump rope every day and also do certain exercises 5 times a week (lunges, biceps, etc.) to maintain muscle mass. I just can't seem to tone up and lose those last 10 lbs. even with a healthy diet of fruits, vegetables, and chicken. Just looking for some extra help and heard that Winstrol makes you lose fat fast... but those side effects look pretty scary. Thank you so much for your feedback and help on the matter. I appreciate it!
Sassy69
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At your height, weight and bodyfat it sounds more like you are on the 'need more muscle' side than 'have too much fat' side (knowing that bodyfat ratio is the ratio of bodyfat to lean muscle mass.
To that end, no winstrol is not what you need. It introduces a whole new world of issues that you need to be on top of before you even go play on that playground. I'm going to suggest that if you can post up very specifically what you are currently eating, e.g.
Meal 1: 8 am
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1/2 cup oatmeal
3 eggs
Meal 2: 11 am
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4 oz chicken
2 cups spinach
2 tbsp oil-based vinaigrette
etc...
And also your training, again very specifically.
It sounds like you are active, but I bet we can tweak your diet a little to get some changes and possinly your training. Also, at your height and your goal of "lose those last 10 lbs" -- want to change your mind about "weight". The more important number is your bodyfat. Weight only tells you the total weight of your bone mass, muscle mass, fat mass and water mass. It doesnt' tell you anythign about your body composition and I think that you can probably change your bodyfat ratio and MAYBE 5 lbs or even gain 5 lb and look 10x better than you look now. Also to illustrate that weight sucks as a reliable measure - for competition last yr I dropped 9% bodyfat and 2 lbs - yes TWO LBS. That means I preserved a lot of muscle and still dropped fat mass. I don't think you can afford to drop much muscle mass - instead I think that's what you should focus on building up - and that will happen thru DIET.
Please just don't even bother w/ chemicals because you need to master the diet & training aspect right now.
To that end, no winstrol is not what you need. It introduces a whole new world of issues that you need to be on top of before you even go play on that playground. I'm going to suggest that if you can post up very specifically what you are currently eating, e.g.
Meal 1: 8 am
-------------
1/2 cup oatmeal
3 eggs
Meal 2: 11 am
--------------
4 oz chicken
2 cups spinach
2 tbsp oil-based vinaigrette
etc...
And also your training, again very specifically.
It sounds like you are active, but I bet we can tweak your diet a little to get some changes and possinly your training. Also, at your height and your goal of "lose those last 10 lbs" -- want to change your mind about "weight". The more important number is your bodyfat. Weight only tells you the total weight of your bone mass, muscle mass, fat mass and water mass. It doesnt' tell you anythign about your body composition and I think that you can probably change your bodyfat ratio and MAYBE 5 lbs or even gain 5 lb and look 10x better than you look now. Also to illustrate that weight sucks as a reliable measure - for competition last yr I dropped 9% bodyfat and 2 lbs - yes TWO LBS. That means I preserved a lot of muscle and still dropped fat mass. I don't think you can afford to drop much muscle mass - instead I think that's what you should focus on building up - and that will happen thru DIET.
Please just don't even bother w/ chemicals because you need to master the diet & training aspect right now.
Dirt Bike Girl said:
Winstrol is not a fat loss drug. Period.
In addition to the sides Daisy already mentioned, Winstrol can cause high blood pressure, a reversal of LDL and HDL cholesterol values, and liver damage.
Honestly, it sounds like you are already in good shape and that you'd serve yourself better by taking your diet and training to the next level. People on this board can help you with that. Hiring a personal trainer to help you break through the plateau wouldn't be a bad idea either.
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ForemanRules
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Very bad ideaDirt Bike Girl said:
Hello ladies. Sorry to wander over here, but I saw the title of the thread and thought I could chime in. It's been my experience with many female friends of mine that anavar is much preferred over winstrol. They are used for the same reasons (cutting cycles) and even though winstrol is not terribly androgenic (from a man's perspective), anavar is by far the better choice. It is one of the safest AAS available and is used medically in women with various muscle wasting disorders. I also have heard from female competitors that they experience joint pain on 25 mg of winstrol. No such complaints with anavar. Furthermore, anavar is one of only 2 AS that have direct fat burning properties. Trenbolone is the other, and that is a ginormous no-no for females. All other AS will decreased bodyfat indirectly (assuming you are dieting and training properly) via increasing LBM and therefore, BMR.
I use anywhere from 100-150 mg of winstrol daily in my pre-contest stacks and I can tell you it surely destroys my lipid panel and gives me horrible headaches. I can't speak of how it would affect it at a much lower dose, but with most AS, the side effects seem to present themselves at dosages at or below what is needed to achieve the desired effect. All I could say is if it were someone I was advising personally I would strictly tell them to avoid winstrol (as a female). But the use of any drugs is really ill-advised unless you're competing or (maybe) modeling. Even at that, the most advanced I would go for a cutting cycle would be low dose GH and anavar.
Hope this helped.
I use anywhere from 100-150 mg of winstrol daily in my pre-contest stacks and I can tell you it surely destroys my lipid panel and gives me horrible headaches. I can't speak of how it would affect it at a much lower dose, but with most AS, the side effects seem to present themselves at dosages at or below what is needed to achieve the desired effect. All I could say is if it were someone I was advising personally I would strictly tell them to avoid winstrol (as a female). But the use of any drugs is really ill-advised unless you're competing or (maybe) modeling. Even at that, the most advanced I would go for a cutting cycle would be low dose GH and anavar.
Hope this helped.
Sassy69
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52_21_30 said:
Appreciate the input but here's a perfect example of why we probably annoy people by not answering the question about the drugs right away. None of them matter if your diet isn't already dialed in. The REASON for using drugs is just WRONG here. The part about which drug is appropriate is not even within the realm. The part about needign to get the diet & training in order before even discussing drugs as an appropriate solution is the ONLY part that is relevant.
Its usually a guy who suggests one of the various drugs to "cut u up & lean you out" when they tend to know jackshit about women using drugs and how much more important it is to have the DIET & TRAINING tight before even discussing anything else.
In this case, sounds like fairly skinny (no offense chica, just you are very tall and very light but higher bodyfat than one would think probably because you have less muscle and not that you have more fat) and absolutely not enough expertise or experience w/ just diet & training to even think drugs are a viable solution. Eat the right macro ratios, train like a muthafucka and give it 8 weeks. The drugs just introduce a whole world of issues that will only make things more complicated and not get results if the DIET & TRAINING (again back to those because those are the foundation and you can't get around that) arent' already optimized.
Dirt Bike Girl said:
All I have to add to what's been posted is that, in men, Winstrol makes the body look harder and certainly more vascular. When you combine that with a caloric deficit you get hard, vascular, and ripped.
You might check out Anthony Roberts' article on Winstrol on Mesomorphosis. I thought it was very enlightening.
Sassy69
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52_21_30 said:
There's always a little question / answer / understand the situation when someone new comes to the board. Sometimes it comes across as hard ass or whatever but the 'norm' is NOT diet & training dialed in. Its usually "My boyfriend told me winstrol will lean me out" and "my diet is good". Hang out here and a few other fitness boards for 6+ yrs and you'll also see that.
Anyway, don't mean to come across as nazi-ish but just trying to start somewhere useful... Speaking as a competitor and veteran lifter, a "good" diet is fine for a first pass at 'getting in shape' but for specific results, a couple more tweaks of the diet usually show you first that your original diet maybe wasnt' so great, most of the myths the media feeds you are wrong and drugs are so far down the list of ways to accomplish things, its just a good place to start.
Dirt Bike Girl said:
Let me guess ...... a male "friend" told you that?
WHat Sassy said.
Also, check out the STICKIES at the top .... like "New to EF .... Start here!" and "Links to Top Threads" those will help you IMMENSELY.
Welcome!
Dirt Bike Girl
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Happy New Year to all! Thanks for all of your input. I checked out the "New to EF" thread- thanks Sassy69 for all that information. I see there is a lot more that I needed to include and that my diet really isn't that great! My goal is really to tone up especially on the backside and legs. I know I already said my height & weight is 5'10" and 140lbs, but if it helps at all- measurements are 36" 26" 37". My training and cardio is running 25-30 min/day, lunges 3 sets of 12 (every day after running), Jump rope (alternate 200 & 300/day). Then I do push ups 3 times a week.
Meals are:
Breakfast: Bowl of cereal and apple
snack on on crackers/Nutri Grain bar/ cheese slices throughout the day.
Lunch: Usually Subway
Dinner: Includes whatever I usually have around the house like spaghetti, chicken tacos, or Chicken parmesan.
Confession: Also, my vice is sweets so I absolutely cave when there is ice cream lurking around! Bad!
It sounds like I need to work more on building muscle too.
I am going to tweak up my diet more. Thanks for taking the time to explain how important the basics are!
Meals are:
Breakfast: Bowl of cereal and apple
snack on on crackers/Nutri Grain bar/ cheese slices throughout the day.
Lunch: Usually Subway
Dinner: Includes whatever I usually have around the house like spaghetti, chicken tacos, or Chicken parmesan.
Confession: Also, my vice is sweets so I absolutely cave when there is ice cream lurking around! Bad!
It sounds like I need to work more on building muscle too.
I am going to tweak up my diet more. Thanks for taking the time to explain how important the basics are!
T
The Shadow
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with that diet and training...leave the AAS alone at this point
Sassy69
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Dirt Bike Girl said:
Its not rocket science but it isn't intuitively obvious either. The best way to illustrate that I know of is to actually look at what you are eating very specifically -- like is mentioned in that Are you new... sticky -- put a typical day's meal plan into a food counts program like www.fitday.com. It takes a little time to set up but it is so powerful in how it illustrates what youa re REALLY eating. If you eyeball your portions and it "seems" like you are eating well, I can can guarantee we can poke about 10 holes in that assumption within 30 seconds. Then you have a place to start as far as what you "thought" was good and what may be better choices or change a couple basic assumptions - and then I can almost guarantee you will see changes within 3-4 weeks --- and even some within a few days. You have to remember that it takes your body a few days to respond to changes for ex. you ever notice how you feel bloated the day AFTER you eat a pile of shit food? That's usually water weight -- the retention or dropping of water is usually one of the first things. Then the quality of your sleep / your energy levels. Then if you stick to the changes in the diet honestly and consistently for about 3 weeks (it takes about 3 weeks to establish a habit consistently and also about 3 weeks for your body to identify what is "typical" as far as the amount & type of "fuel" or food it is getting on a regular basis) - you will see results.
Do you have access to a regular gym or where do you train? Its good what you do, but there are a myriad of other things, particularly increasing weight resistance training that will help build lean muscle mass.
SwEEtLiKEcAndY
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I think it's wonderful that ya'll ask questions & get to the root of the problem before giving advice. It had actually crossed my mind to start some anavar so that I could get huge quick. ??? Of course I knew NOTHING about it, and I am glad I came to this site and read all of the wonderful advice about diet & workout without AAS. Now I am doing it all on my own & I gotta say... it feels good. You girls really kick some ASS.
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