Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Hey everyone, a buddy of mine is about to do a winny only cycle of 50mg/ED for about a month. What kind of gains do you think can result from this if any? He's not trying to bulk up any, just cut out some fat and shred up a bit, he's already in pretty good shape(just got of the Marine's after 7 years). Anyone ever try this and if so to what avail? He's 5'10" and about 180lbs. with about 15%bf.
Winny only cycle
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iHulk
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Bro here's my experience with Winny only.
I conducted my own experiment by taking a winny only cycle. I injected 50 mg ED of winny depot and then began taking it orally (the ed injections became unbearable). I completed a full 30 ml cycle of winny-only. I used the depot injects for 2 weeks, then drank it for 2 weeks and took the last 10 ml orally with 50 mg Zeneca tabs.
Bottom line I saw no difference btw the injects or drinking it. If I had to make a choice I would say save yourself the hassle and get the 50 mg tabs for the whole damm thing. I felt better about the tabs and in actuality I think they absorbed quicker (however this was taken at the end of the cycle so my body was used to 50mg ed)
The winny-only cycle ripped the shit out me. I didn’t take it for vanity reasons but I can see why some would. I used the winny up to about 2 weeks before my last mma fight I was nearly unstoppable. I'm 202lb with 9% BF and ripped to the core. I was 190lb before the cycle and 13% BF. (See body composition stats at the bottom of post).
Couple points to note:
My F'ing joints started to scream at me and there wasn’t enough glucosamine in the world to stop all the joint pain, but it did help... some. So definitely go get yourself a shit load of it.
My hair did not fall out at all. I didn’t check my lipid levels or BP but I have had very high bp from test cycles and I didn’t feel the typical symptoms at all.
Take at least 400 - 800 mg of milk thistle ED to combat liver toxicity. I never measured that medically either, but I have in the past and the milk thistle along with saw palmetto, cranberry extract, fish oil, B-compex and a gallon of water a day should do the trick.
I my opinion, Winny-only cycles are for athletes who are into cardio vascular activites because it allows you to keep your weight down by not building too much mass but you get incredibly strong and lots of lean muscle. I added a good 50 lbs to my bench. I will definitely get you that ripped up model type look. Reminds me of the abercrombie guys. Although primo is the choice there!
You won't gain an exorbitant mass of muscle but you will be ripped... it also reminded me of Brad Pitt's body in the movie "Snatch" , not tremendously huge but cut to shit.
Anyway, I liked it. However 1 final catch. I wouldn’t do it as your first cycle. You need to establish a base first and the best way is with Test. Some might say Deca, but bottom line is to put on a foundation first before going winny only.
BODY COMPOSITION
Before ---- after:
Weight 189 lb---- 202lb
Height 6’1” ---- same
BMI (body mass index) 25.0 ---- 25.0
Body Fat 12.3% ---- 8.9%
BMR 8292 kj ---- ?
1982 kcal ---- ?
Impedance 480 Q ---- ?
Fat mass 23.21 lb ---- 17.9 lb
FFM (Fat free mass) 166 lb ---- 184 lb
TBW (total body water)121.61 lb --- 125 lb
I conducted my own experiment by taking a winny only cycle. I injected 50 mg ED of winny depot and then began taking it orally (the ed injections became unbearable). I completed a full 30 ml cycle of winny-only. I used the depot injects for 2 weeks, then drank it for 2 weeks and took the last 10 ml orally with 50 mg Zeneca tabs.
Bottom line I saw no difference btw the injects or drinking it. If I had to make a choice I would say save yourself the hassle and get the 50 mg tabs for the whole damm thing. I felt better about the tabs and in actuality I think they absorbed quicker (however this was taken at the end of the cycle so my body was used to 50mg ed)
The winny-only cycle ripped the shit out me. I didn’t take it for vanity reasons but I can see why some would. I used the winny up to about 2 weeks before my last mma fight I was nearly unstoppable. I'm 202lb with 9% BF and ripped to the core. I was 190lb before the cycle and 13% BF. (See body composition stats at the bottom of post).
Couple points to note:
My F'ing joints started to scream at me and there wasn’t enough glucosamine in the world to stop all the joint pain, but it did help... some. So definitely go get yourself a shit load of it.
My hair did not fall out at all. I didn’t check my lipid levels or BP but I have had very high bp from test cycles and I didn’t feel the typical symptoms at all.
Take at least 400 - 800 mg of milk thistle ED to combat liver toxicity. I never measured that medically either, but I have in the past and the milk thistle along with saw palmetto, cranberry extract, fish oil, B-compex and a gallon of water a day should do the trick.
I my opinion, Winny-only cycles are for athletes who are into cardio vascular activites because it allows you to keep your weight down by not building too much mass but you get incredibly strong and lots of lean muscle. I added a good 50 lbs to my bench. I will definitely get you that ripped up model type look. Reminds me of the abercrombie guys. Although primo is the choice there!
You won't gain an exorbitant mass of muscle but you will be ripped... it also reminded me of Brad Pitt's body in the movie "Snatch" , not tremendously huge but cut to shit.
Anyway, I liked it. However 1 final catch. I wouldn’t do it as your first cycle. You need to establish a base first and the best way is with Test. Some might say Deca, but bottom line is to put on a foundation first before going winny only.
BODY COMPOSITION
Before ---- after:
Weight 189 lb---- 202lb
Height 6’1” ---- same
BMI (body mass index) 25.0 ---- 25.0
Body Fat 12.3% ---- 8.9%
BMR 8292 kj ---- ?
1982 kcal ---- ?
Impedance 480 Q ---- ?
Fat mass 23.21 lb ---- 17.9 lb
FFM (Fat free mass) 166 lb ---- 184 lb
TBW (total body water)121.61 lb --- 125 lb
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NYBodyguard
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incredible_hulk great info appreciate it
incredible_hulk said:
You've supplied an absolute wealth of information. It is my friends first so it will give him some things to think about. The benefits you described match what he's looking for. He is starting a golf school in a few months to get his PGA card so size is the last thing he's looking for. I thank you; as does my friend!
karachi183
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This is y runners use it. Does anyone remember the olympics a few years back?
gymratforlife
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hehe yup thats what Jack Johnson got busted for.karachi183 said:
iHulk
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gymratforlife said:hehe yup thats what Jack Johnson got busted for.
actually it was Ben Johnson.... Jack Johnson is a musician. But I gotchya brothah!
If you look back at Ben Johnson's body compared to his greatest nemesis at the time, Carl Lewis, you'll see exactly what this magical stuf does for you..
Here's question for everyone. I'd like to run a short winny cycle too, only because that's what I've got on had, and some dbol. I was thinking a 3 or 4 weeker. I've got some ck 5mg winny tabs, and some 5mg thai dbols, what do you guys suggest I run, and should I take these at intervals through the day?
I'm not a newbie, just haven't run a cycle in years. I'm already a big, so I'm not looking for size, hardness and cutting would be the main goal. Stats are 6'0", 250 lbs, and soft. My diet is getting in check, and the cardio is going up. Been training for 20 years, of and on the 8, and back at it hard for the last year and a half. Give me your opiinions.
I'm not a newbie, just haven't run a cycle in years. I'm already a big, so I'm not looking for size, hardness and cutting would be the main goal. Stats are 6'0", 250 lbs, and soft. My diet is getting in check, and the cardio is going up. Been training for 20 years, of and on the 8, and back at it hard for the last year and a half. Give me your opiinions.
iHulk
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reknball said:
Reknball -
so are you going to do a dbol stacked w/winny cycle? this how I understood it)?
What is your current BF% (body fat)?
What is your diet/nutritional supplements consist of?
Your goal?
- the 5mg tabs requires a lot of intake per day to do the 50mg/day minimum. I've never done the 5mg tabs because I would think its a lot to swallow in one day on top of all the other 100 fricking pills to maintain health.
Since that is all you have "on hand" that is fine but truly its a pain in the ass to choked down 10 tabs a day for winny let alone how much dbol you plan on taking.... get youself the 50mg zeneca tabs...
incredible_hulk said:
I was hoping to get more, but this is all I've got on hand now. I don't have to use the dbol, but I do have it. The winny alone sounds worth trying. Bf%, I really haven't checked, I'm not a fat ass, but am pretty smooth. My training is right, and the diet gets better daily. As far as supps, just the daily, condroitin, and omega 3's. I've never been a big fan of supps. As far as goals, trim down a bit while keeping, or increasing my mass. Add some strength, and get back into competition with in a year or so. I'm just a once a year local show guy, not shooting for the big times. I understand it's a lot of tabs to swallow, but when I started to pick them, I had a completely different 3 weeker in mind (ala Nelson Montana). Any input is good!
..thanks to Incredible_Hulk for the info.. Had another question along these lines... what's a 'safe' length of time to do a winny only? Friend of mine is doing the similar cycle as me but wants to lenghten the winny to 12 weeks (EOD) so he ends up with 9 weeks of just winny.
His modified Cycle look like:
Week 1-9 Sust (250mg week 1-3, 500mg week 4-8, 75 for week 9)
Week 7-11 Tren (75 mg EOD)
Week 9-20 Winny (50 mg EOD)
Please compare and contrast
. I read mixed comments on how long to use winny, toxicity etc, PCT? I'm here to learn.
thanks in advance.. let me know if I should repost this on its own.
His modified Cycle look like:
Week 1-9 Sust (250mg week 1-3, 500mg week 4-8, 75 for week 9)
Week 7-11 Tren (75 mg EOD)
Week 9-20 Winny (50 mg EOD)
Please compare and contrast
. I read mixed comments on how long to use winny, toxicity etc, PCT? I'm here to learn.thanks in advance.. let me know if I should repost this on its own.
ThisCat
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bostodd said:..thanks to Incredible_Hulk for the info.. Had another question along these lines... what's a 'safe' length of time to do a winny only? Friend of mine is doing the similar cycle as me but wants to lenghten the winny to 12 weeks (EOD) so he ends up with 9 weeks of just winny.
His modified Cycle look like:
Week 1-9 Sust (250mg week 1-3, 500mg week 4-8, 75 for week 9)
Week 7-11 Tren (75 mg EOD)
Week 9-20 Winny (50 mg EOD)
Please compare and contrast
thanks in advance.. let me know if I should repost this on its own.
Bump, I want to know what other people think about a 9 weeks of winny. I've heard this is bad news bears.
iHulk
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ThisCat said:
9 straight weeks huh... seen it done before but I've never run it that long. I would probably do it that long, although I would do it EOD as opposed to ED. (just my .02) but someone on here should be able to let ya know the sides with running that much
in any case that shit is magic.
Bruce
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i ran the shit once for 3 months straight, that was the first thing i ever did, i would do it monday wednesday and friday. that was what my boy did and he looked sick, but it was genetics. anyway my liver was fine, this kid did this routine for 2 years straight, don't care if u don't belive me, and his liver was fine, thats why i am not convinced it is that hard on the liver
michoncameoa
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now ive read that really only the oral is hard on liver and the depot taken im does not really have a effect am i right in in beleving this?
iHulk
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michoncameoa said:
its been debated time after time. medically speaking I don't have a clue... sorry.
But there are docs on this board that may have actual documentation on it. But listen everything you put into your body is gonna pass thru the liver... so in the end, its one less shot IMO.
floridalife
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so here's a question for you related to just winny, anyone seen acne from winny alone?
Damn, I was going to use some T-Bol or Var comin' up but shit, I don't think I could gain 50 pounds on my bench from those compounds. It seems like most people tend to like T-Bol or Var better than Winny but your results have compelled me to read up some more about winny. BTW hulk, how do you feel about the other two I mentioned compared to Winny?
floridalife said:
first cycle many moons ago was winny only and i DID get acne in the usual places but again this is all individualistic and you could get lucky enough to not get any....i get painful cystic acne and it fucking blows, vit b5 helps but dont eliminate....i have yet to try tane but i may go on at a dose of 20 mg EOD and get blood tests, just to help somewhat.....if i decide to go back on that is.....
iHulk
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Jayhawk21 said:
Jayhawk, sorry bro, I've never taken T-bol or Var. But winny gives you tremendous hardness and strength. You'll build solid lean masss but it won't be comparible to lets say someone on Test E. Good thing is you won't have a single thread of bloat.
also, someone mentioned acne in the thread and I do recall geting some acne on odd spots like on my chin and chest but wasn't too too bad. Went away after being off.
Lupercal CATS
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bruce410 said:
I think it's hard on the liver but I think people exagerate how harmful it acctually is.
