win, deca, cycle help

[therockrt72]

ok im gonna stack winstrol and deca and take clomid or novaldex afterwards

i want to lose as much body fat as possible i mean all of it.
but heres my problem i have arthritis in one of my knees from football injuries and so thats why ive incorporated deca to keep me lubed.

now my question is to you guys
how should i cycle it and yes this is my first time taking any aas.

and i still havent made up my mind if im gonna do winny tabs or depot.

ANY ADVICE HELP ANYTHING!!!!

KARMA.

 

[thegoodfoods]

add test or tren?

 

[ricorico]

take 2 milligrams of deca per pound of bodyweight every week split into 2 injections (ie mondays and thurdays) for 12 weeks. if taking winstrol pills, take 75-100 mgs every day, if its injectable take 50-75 every day from weeks 6-14. i would also add tbol at 60mgs every day for the 1st 4 weeks

 

[52_21_30]

add test or tren?

This is good advice, esp with the tren. Just should be careful mixing deca and tren without something like dostinex on hand.

 

[therockrt72]

anybody else

 

[solidspine]

Your Age?

 

[MR. BMJ]

Test/deca: 500-600mg/wk of test and 400mg/wk of deca.

If you have problems with arthritis, then winny may not be the smartest choice.

Take an aromatase inhibitor to combat/prevent excessive estrogen accumulation.

Inject every 3-4 days of both compounds together.

BMJ

 

[bmcadoo44]

i dont see why your running deca but trying to loose body fat?

go with some var if thats the only goal u have.

 

[52_21_30]

i dont see why your running deca but trying to loose body fat?

go with some var if thats the only goal u have.

well in that case he should be running tren...but you can cut/lean bulk with deca. I do it all the time. The diet is the most important factor.

 

[therockrt72]

the only reason i would take the deca is cuz ive read its good on your joints. i don't want to gain any muscle mass from this. i just want to have the deca for joint purposes cuz ive read and have friends who say that winstrol is hell on joints.

im 22, 330lbs+, 6'2'', at about 19 to 21 % body fat.

this is my first time taking aas.
i have tried clenbuterol but i don't like the shakes and cramping is a bitch even though i drank a gallon and half of water a day.

 

[solidspine]

At 22, I would bag the gear,

But that being ignored


Simply run Deca and test and your diet will dictate your BF lose or gain

400mg each week 1-12

Anti-e

PCT

 

[therockrt72]

solidspine but im 330+ lbs.
wouldn't deca and test make me gain more mass???

figure it just off the top of my head at 20% bf i would be around 260ish pounds of mass. i really don't want to pack on any more than a few pounds of mass without shedding a lot of bf.

 

[52_21_30]

solidspine but im 330+ lbs.
wouldn't deca and test make me gain more mass???

figure it just off the top of my head at 20% bf i would be around 260ish pounds of mass. i really don't want to pack on any more than a few pounds of mass without shedding a lot of bf.

adding weight is all diet dependent. I personally (and many other competitive bbers) take much more gear on a gram per gram basis when prepping for a show and cutting weight than in the off season. As far as deca adding weight, I'm on week 4 of a 2 phase cycle that has been test/deca and jus started EQ/tren and will add winstrol later. I've lost 13 lbs since I started. Carb cycling @ 2800-3000 cals. Cutting down from 290 to near comp weight, which for me is 220's.

FWIW, Ive always been able to drop a good amount of fat and become very vascular when using nandralones (deca, NPP, tren)

Also using aromasin, Lipo 6, and Thyrotabs. Training twice daily with 1-2 cardio sessions daily as well.

 

[therockrt72]

take into consideration that this is my first cycle.

 

[blut wump]

If it's just for joints, you can drop the deca to 100mg EW. You could even experiment with going lower.

 

[52_21_30]

take into consideration that this is my first cycle.

If its your first cycle and looking to drop fat, just go with 500-750 mg per week of test with aromasin EOD to control the bloat, and the rest is diet and cardio. As blut said, 100 mg weekly of deca is fine for joint protection. But since this is a first cycle, I'd stick with test only to see how you react to gear.

 

[therockrt72]

thanks for all the info.

 

[stressman13]

WTF? Real shitty advice on this thread. 400mg of Deca, winny, and someone recommneded adding tbol??! Why??!? Yeah fine there is a small percentage of people that can run deca with no test, but this is this guy's first cycle, not to mention he is a fat 330 lbs. Odds are the sides will turn him off to juice in general and he'll walk around telling people how horrible they are. Run Test with Deca always. Unless you have another plan (some guys who dont like test will run proviron or whatever for test free cycles or use NPP instead of deca in case the sides come it clears the system faster. I would try a diet first bro, drop some weight. No steroids will help you burn fat if your not eating correctly. I dont even know if tren would provide a noticeable difference at high BF like that. Tren is a horrible idea for a first cycle. If you had to do something try 500mg test and maybe some clen or another fat burner for 10wks with Proper PCT following and a good diet. Use test alone on your first cycle to see how you tolerate it, as it will be the base of future cycles. Again terrible advice on this thread.

 

[stressman13]

This is good advice, esp with the tren. Just should be careful mixing deca and tren without something like dostinex on hand.

Dude, please dont do deca with tren and no test for your first cycle. Or any cycle for that matter. Unless you like shooting pool with a rope.