will I screw up my natural test if..

[mish12345]

what sort of risks would I be putting myself up against if I dont do pct for this cycle I'm on, first cycle of sust, and go straight into a test e 10 weeker?? for which I'll do pct. beacuse I was hoping to be a lot bigger for a holiday in June, but this cycle hasnt delivered as hoped, so considering hopping into another right away. I know the most sensible thing would be finish this then recover properly, but I wont have time to fit another cycle till the end of the year!

or I could even do the pct for this cycle and then do a 4-6 week cycle if there's any you could recommend for someone just starting out with aas like me? not ready for something like test prop/tren yet.

any help appreciated

 

[GUARDIAN]

how long is the sus cycle?

 

[mish12345]

10 weeks

considering starting the test e right away so wouldnt finish the full 10 weeks on sust, just switch over

 

[GUARDIAN]

20 weeks is a very long cycle. my major concern is your recovery of your natural test production. it could be a long time b4 everything returns to normal. i would just finish this cycle up do proper pct and sneak in a 6 weeker of as faster acting ester such as test/p and some dbol.

 

[mish12345]

it wouldnt be a full 20 weeks cos i wont be finishing the sust fully, 17 at most. or i could even just do 8 weeks of test e right away?

test prop has to be jabbed at least eod right? think that would be a bit too much for me right now, only just getting used to 2x a week!

 

[GUARDIAN]

17 is still a long time!

for shorter cycles, shorter esters are best imo. yes test/p is eod.

your choice man just laying out some options.

it wouldnt be a full 20 weeks cos i wont be finishing the Sustanon fully, 17 at most. or i could even just do 8 weeks of testosterone enanthate right away?

test testosterone propionate has to be jabbed at least eod right? think that would be a bit too much for me right now, only just getting used to 2x a week!

 

[xrsist]

why do you want to? why not just finish your sus cycle and do a pct?

 

[mish12345]

because the sust hasnt delivered what I expected, and I'm pretty sure its fake.

 

[xrsist]

because the Sustanon hasnt delivered what I expected, and I'm pretty sure its fake.

youv gained 5kgs if im not mistaken? what more do you want?

 

[GUARDIAN]

isnt that like 10 or 11 lbs?

any strength gains?

youv gained 5kgs if im not mistaken? what more do you want?

 

[thebadguy54]

You want to permanently fuck yourself up so you can look pretty on the beach?

What the fuck?

Am I the only one you doesn't give a fuck what I look like?

 

[xrsist]

isnt that like 10 or 11 lbs?

any strength gains?

yer about that, nothing wrong with that imo
not sure about his strength gains

 

[ryno9000]

You want to permanently fuck yourself up so you can look pretty on the beach?

What the fuck?

Am I the only one you doesn't give a fuck what I look like?

If that were 100% true, then I find it hard to believe you are a bodybuilder. I see your point though, not worth hurting your body just in the name of image. But c'mon...everyone cares about what they look like to some degree!

 

[Triple-G]

You want to permanently fuck yourself up

there have been male contraceptive trials lasting one year and longer shutting their endogenous test production off 100% and they all recovered even without PCT - post cycle therapy - .

I don't know where the PCT craze came from that erupted on the 'net in the 1990s, but i doubt there is any scientific evidence behind it. There has been anectotal evidence of hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - shut downs but all were in guys who where on for years using various substances including Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - . Nandrolone has shown to attack the test making leydig cells so using this compound for months better years in a row could do some damage. There is also talk about secondary empty sella syndrome being caused by extended periods of very high anabolic androgenic steroids administration but it is also a very rare condition and it cannot even be linked to steroid abuse since it occurs in non anabolic androgenic steroids users also.

of course, since there are people out there dying from aspirin there might be one in a million steroid users who kills his HPTA with a 20wk cycle. but i would guess you will be struck by lightning first.

btw: this does not apply if you are still in your teens. AAS use for teenagers is a no-go. Not 17 weeks and not even 10 weeks. The developing body can be really harmed with aas as has been shown and documented in the former GDR.

 

[thebadguy54]

If that were 100% true, then I find it hard to believe you are a bodybuilder. I see your point though, not worth hurting your body just in the name of image. But c'mon...everyone cares about what they look like to some degree!

I'm not a body builder brother. I don't train like a body builder, I don't shave my body hair and I don't go to a tanning salon. Although, I guess you're right, everyone cares what they look like to some degree and I'm no different. But the way I look isn't my number one priority or the reason I lift wieghts and the thought of juicing for 20 weeks straight to look good on vacation has never crossed my mind.

 

[thebadguy54]

there have been male contraceptive trials lasting one year and longer shutting their endogenous test production off 100% and they all recovered even without PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - .

I don't know where the PCT craze came from that erupted on the 'net in the 1990s, but i doubt there is any scientific evidence behind it. There has been anectotal evidence of hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - shut downs but all were in guys who where on for years using various substances including Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - . Nandrolone has shown to attack the test making leydig cells so using this compound for months better years in a row could do some damage. There is also talk about secondary empty sella syndrome being caused by extended periods of very high anabolic androgenic steroids administration but it is also a very rare condition and it cannot even be linked to steroid abuse since it occurs in non anabolic androgenic steroids users also.

of course, since there are people out there dying from aspirin there might be one in a million steroid users who kills his HPTA with a 20wk cycle. but i would guess you will be struck by lightning first.

btw: this does not apply if you are still in your teens. anabolic androgenic steroids use for teenagers is a no-go. Not 17 weeks and not even 10 weeks. The developing body can be really harmed with anabolic androgenic steroids as has been shown and documented in the former GDR.

Good info.

How old is mish12345? He seems young and this is his first cycle.

 

[02gixxersix]

20 weeks is a very long cycle. my major concern is your recovery of your natural test production. it could be a long time b4 everything returns to normal. i would just finish this cycle up do proper PCT - post cycle therapy - and sneak in a 6 weeker of as faster acting ester such as test/p and some Dianabol - methandrostenolone - .

I agree 100%. Not only will you possibly have issues with recovery, but for me anyways the gains seems to slow down considerably at the 12-14 week mark. You would benefit much more from doing it the way 8and20 suggested.