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Will I ever be cut!!! This sucks.....

PatBateman

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I have been trading up fat for muscle since Thanksgiving. I am now 11%bf, 190lbs, 5'9 1/2"

I am pulling my hair out trying to figure out how I can get to 6-7%. I am going to supplement with Adipokinetix.


I am wondering how much cardio I should be doing, how intensely and when??? I am considering an EOD plan where I do one day cardio/one day lifting and keep repeating.


How should my diet be?? This is a current approximation:

I do not drink alcohol or soda.

Meal 1: Bowl wheaties w/ fat free milk, rasberries, sprinkles of raw oat bran

Meal 2(Post-Workout): Designer Whey Drink

Meal 3: Lunch of Turkey, Roast Beef, or other lean meat sandwich

Meal 4: Low Carb Isopure Shake(8g total) with water/ice

Meal 5: Dinner of lean meat and vegetables

Meal 6: Several slices of Roast Beef and two tablespoons of Flax Oil

ONE DAY/WEEK throw out all rules and eat whatever, esp. carbs.

I want to keep the muscle I have, so maybe I am not getting enough carbs post-workout?? How can I cut but also keep my good size I have now???
 
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how long have you been dieting?

I was on week 12 and it stalled so I'm doing an experiment by eating just above maitainence, and I can already notice my metabolism up.
 
Well there are many things to try though we still don't have enough information from you. Have you been dieting nonstop since thanksgiving? Some of your meals are vague so do you have a clue of your caloric intake? To get to 6-7% you are going to need more than ballpark figures to be accurate, you need to know how many calories you're taking in so that you can know when and what to adjust.

Based just on what you've told us I will point out a few things:

Meal #1 is not that great. A lot of carbs with hardly any protein sets your body up to store fat. Simply add a scoop of protein powder to your first meal to make it a better ratio. Also wheaties aren't that great of a choice for breakfast and by "a bowl" do you know how much you're getting? Most cold cereal has an amazing amount of calories per serving size, not to mention serving sizes are generally small. Oatmeal or another type of high fiber/low calorie cereal is a better option. Fiber One or Kashi puffed wheat are other cold alternatives.

Some of the other meals look ok but your "lean meat sandwich" is also vague. Is it a normal sandwich on sliced bread, or is it a deli style sandwich on a french style roll? Also do you put mayo, cheese, etc.. on this sandwich? Sandwiches can be full of hidden calories unless you are making them with the right ingredients.

Again you were pretty vague and since you didn't state your caloric intake I'd guess you aren't really counting. I think you need to as you may find what you think you are getting and what you are really getting are 2 very different numbers. As far as exercise there is no reason to go overboard on cardio or weight training as of yet. Most people can get below 10% without cardio if they wanted so don't think you have to kill yourself on a regular basis. I'd recommend 3 days of weight lifting, 3 days of cardio on the off days and one completely off day. If you can't get lean on that program along with a well planned diet then I doubt a couple more days of cardio or weight training will magically turn this around.

Also now that you've hit the 11% bodyfat range your body will most likely really start fighting you, especially if you're not naturally lean. If you really want to strive to lose that last bit of bodyfat I'd recommend doing 2 scheduled refeeds per week instead of 1 all out pigfest. If you've kept up on leptin and refeeds then you know the lower bodyfat % you get the more often you have to refeed. Without opening a huge can of worms here are a few rules that I'd suggest you follow in regards to refeeds:

- Refeed twice per week, preferably after workouts and only for half of the day. You can try refeeding for a full day on the weekend and just do a half day during the week. However it is important to follow the next rule even more if you choose this route. Also I really recommend if you do a full day refeed that you do a glycogen depletion workout that morning before starting.

- Don't eat random, spur of the moment meals. Plan your refeeds just like your normal diet days so you know how many calories to take in and how many carbs you're getting. Remember to keep fat as low as possible during this short time period. You can have one "cheat meal" where you can get some extra fat, but keep the rest of the day on target.

So a simple plan would be something like this.

Monday: Workout #1, diet as usual.
Tuesday: Cardio, diet as usual.
Wednesday: Workout #2, refeed after workout for approx. 6 hours. The other half of the day diet at usual.
Thursday: Cardio, diet as usual.
Friday:Cardio, diet as usual.
Saturday: Workout #3 or glycogen depletion full body workout followed by a full day refeed.
Sunday: Off day, diet as usual.

This is a just a sample, you can refeed on whichever days you want, just split them halfway through the week. If you workout in the morning then refeed for the first half of the day then switch to your regular diet for the second half. If you workout in the evening then diet during the day and refeed at night after the workout. If you have to refeed for less time due to a later night workout then simply get more calories in that shorter amount of time. Don't worry about fat gain, I guarantee that if you refeed correctly you will not gain any fat and will most likely continue to burn fat while you refeed.

This type of program has worked well for me, and in fact you can probably get a little more aggressive in the calorie restriction on the dieting days since you're refeeding more often. The key to this type of program is treating the refeed more seriously than a simple gorging day of what you want. I think 2 controlled refeeds split 2x a week is far more useful than a simple "free day". It also makes the diet easier to stay on since you're only 2 to 3 days from indulging at any given time.

One last thing. If you've really been dieting since Thanksgiving then you need to take a week off at maintenance to let your body recover from dieting and help your metabolism get back to normal. You are now entering the toughest part of the diet where your body fights back so if you go into it with a comprimised metabolism you are going lose the battle. Just take a week off at maintenance calories then start up something like I outlined. If you can't get lean on something that simple then you are a genetic freak of the bad kind :)

P.S. Igore the numerous "Try a CDK!" messages that will most likely pop up. Unless you truly like this type of diet, or it helps satiate you more than a regular diet then there really isn't another reason to do them.
 
you have made great progress, take the week off - eat at maintenance get your self psyched up for the upcoming push...

i am kinda in the same boat - dropped alot of bf and now i am getting ready for the push...

Keep in mind that you have about 56 days till memorial day weekend, make the push to come into that weekend looking better than you have ever looked in your life. Vageta hit it right on your head, your body is going to fight you tooth and nail now... Keep a journal and measure out your foods... You are going to have to know exactly what you are eating in order to know how many calories you are taking in. Some people take in anywhere from 8 to 10 times there bw in calories, the leaner you get the more careful you have to be to preserver muscle...

It is going to suck but I would cut out all bread, instead of sandwiches have chicken or tuna salads... Meals would be like the following (adjust your servings sizes so you can keep your calories where you want them)...

protein powders - whey postworkout, egg/casein all other times

take your vitamins, minerals (zinc, calcium and magnesium)

Start taking digi photos of yourself every sunday to get an idea of your mass changes.....

SAMPLE DAY:
m1
oatmeal
egg whites or protein powder

m2
protein powder/flax/psyllium husk (for fiber)

m3
chicken salad with dressing (lower carb)

m4
protein powder/flax/psyllium husk (for fiber)

m5
fish or chicken with low carb veggies (watch out for kidney beans, white potatoes etc...)

m6 (assuming post workout)
protein powder/Maltodextrin

Prepare as much food ahead of time as once as you can... Cook up 6 chicken breasts for the week. Make your salad the night before.... Bring protein powder to work or prepare your shakes the day before...

--- TRAINING ---
I would switch up your training for the next month, do something fun like 5x5 training or dogg crap training (something that is a lot different then what you currently do). You are not going to gain mass while really cutting calories without chemical help... Switching training routines is always fun and the novelty will help you get to the gym and keep you training happily...

--- CARDIO ---
AM cardio on an empty stomach will keep your diet strict for the rest of the day, if you roll your @ss out of bed at 5 am to do 40 minutes on the precore or treadmill you are not going to waste that effort by pigging out on bad food. Keep an eye on your lean mass levels, if you start burning muscle like crazy, cut back on the cardio....
 
i might suggest analyzing your exact calorie intake in relation to your exact calorie usage, and this may allow you to see exactly where you need to cut calories or do more cardio.

also, looks like you are doing a CKD type diet, but why the wheaties and fruit in the morning? That is counterproductive to being in ketosis.
 
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