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TC2

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Maybe It's just my experience but, it hasnt been worth the money so far. (B standard)

It's supposed to be about 3 times faster than cable..wrong.

It took 15 seconds to transfer a music video via cable.

It took 6 MINUTES to transfer the same file via wireless. (this was within 1 foot of the WAP)

It's supposed to have a range of 100 feet...wrong, try 1 room maybe 2 if I sacrifice a small animal.. They're not thick walls either.


Save your money bros.:mad:
 
Where the hell did you see that it was 3 times faster than cable?
802.11b is slow as shit - it is 11Mbps.

802.11b is not very powerful, so its range isn't that great - and when they give a range, it is through an open space - it will work through walls, but depending on what they are made of, they will be slowed down.

Use some reasoning here - it isn't magic - if there is shielding in the way, it is going to mess it up.

Wireless will never be faster than a direct connection - the physics involved just won't allow it.

That said, it doesn't have to suck - it depends on what you are using it for, and if you are going to use it - get 802.11g.


And for those that talked about Bluetooth - that is good for very short distances and very specific tasks.
Depending on what you want or expect from it, you might be very disapointed.
 
Also, note that if you ever install something on your interior network and expect that to speed up your outside connection - please go and kill yourself right now.

The interior part of your network is just that - if you move a file off of one computer to the other - the best you can do that at right now is 100Mbps over cat5 cable (assuming you don't have a Gigabit card and router in your machines - if that is the case, then you can do 1000Mbps).

The best you can do over wireless is 802.11g and that is 54Mbps.

The best you can get outside of your network through a router is 10Mbps.
 
"Where the hell did you see that it was 3 times faster than cable?"

It was posted next to all the wireless shit at best buy.

I was kinda of curious abut that statement anyway.

And NDN is right about Bluetooth VERY short range.
 
NoDaddyNo said:
Also, note that if you ever install something on your interior network and expect that to speed up your outside connection - please go and kill yourself right now.

The interior part of your network is just that - if you move a file off of one computer to the other - the best you can do that at right now is 100Mbps over cat5 cable (assuming you don't have a Gigabit card and router in your machines - if that is the case, then you can do 1000Mbps).

The best you can do over wireless is 802.11g and that is 54Mbps.

The best you can get outside of your network through a router is 10Mbps.
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I'll second NDN, and go one further. If you run wireless, you better back it up with some VPN or other wireless security besides WEP.

WEP has been proven to be very vunerable, and hackers will have a field day with your system.

There are several sites out there that list open wireless systems for war drivers to get free internet access or do DOS attacks.

And thanks to NDN and WODIN for posting the info.
 
NoDaddyNo said:
Also, note that if you ever install something on your interior network and expect that to speed up your outside connection - please go and kill yourself right now.

The interior part of your network is just that - if you move a file off of one computer to the other - the best you can do that at right now is 100Mbps over cat5 cable (assuming you don't have a Gigabit card and router in your machines - if that is the case, then you can do 1000Mbps).

The best you can do over wireless is 802.11g and that is 54Mbps.

The best you can get outside of your network through a router is 10Mbps.
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I know all this,so no need to kill myself.

But in my house there's no reason why the range should be so bad.
 
FreeballinDC said:


I'll second NDN, and go one further. If you run wireless, you better back it up with some VPN or other wireless security besides WEP.

WEP has been proven to be very vunerable, and hackers will have a field day with your system.

There are several sites out there that list open wireless systems for war drivers to get free internet access or do DOS attacks.

And thanks to NDN and WODIN for posting the info.
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I thought about that, but where I live most people don't know how to surf the internet much less hack someones shit.

I don't keep personal stuff on my laptop anyway.
 
When I used 802.11b a few years back, the range on it was awful, it would get interference from a wide range of things.

802.11g is a better frequency for me (I don't have a 2.4ghz phone, I have a 900mhz one), and my apartment is currently laid out for it better (more open space between the router and myself and lots of tile).

The ideal situation is fiber optic in the walls and an optical switch :)
 
i was think Bluettoth, cuz I have a phone w/ it, and got a BT adapter for my PC.....haven't really researched it very much though....
 
I think that b and g are on the same frequency (or can be), but they use a different technique to spread it - the A technology uses 5ghz bandwidth but has a shorter distance that it is good for.

That said, I like the G for me - but it probably depends on what you do on your own.

Also, they are all pretty insecure, but I would worry less about someone getting anything off of your machine than I would someone leeching your network connection for free.

There is actually something to be said about that - say someone comes in and does something illegal using your connection - it will look like it came from your house.
You can then explain that it wasn't you, but someone hacked the connection.
The same defense could also be used if indeed was you, but had an open connection - they wouldn't know the difference.

:)
 
jerkbox said:
i was think Bluettoth, cuz I have a phone w/ it, and got a BT adapter for my PC.....haven't really researched it very much though....
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I have actually been looking into this the past few days.
I have a PowerBook with a built in Bluetooth system.
Apparently they are quite nice with the Sony/Ericsson phones.

I am contemplating between the T68i, the T600/T616, the T630, the P900, or the Z600.

Right now I would more likely lean towards the T630 or the Z600, but I could save money and just get a T68i.

My current phone works just fine, so I am going to wait a bit longer and see if either something more fun doesn't come out, or the prices drop.
I need to resolve more of my finances before I get something I don't really need.
 
NoDaddyNo said:

Also, they are all pretty insecure, but I would worry less about someone getting anything off of your machine than I would someone leeching your network connection for free.

There is actually something to be said about that - say someone comes in and does something illegal using your connection - it will look like it came from your house.
You can then explain that it wasn't you, but someone hacked the connection.
The same defense could also be used if indeed was you, but had an open connection - they wouldn't know the difference.

:)
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An even worse scenario. Somebody breaks into your connection, and mimics your AP address. Then their laptop spoofs your PC into thinking it is talking to the original AP. All the while your PC is transferring all sorts of good data to the spoofing AP. You are none the wiser, and they have downloaded some potentially damaging info (ie credit card info).

If you are thinking about wireless, the security piece has to be in place. Sorry if I am sounding paranoid, but in urban areas, it's a must.
 
FreeballinDC said:


An even worse scenario. Somebody breaks into your connection, and mimics your AP address. Then their laptop spoofs your PC into thinking it is talking to the original AP. All the while your PC is transferring all sorts of good data to the spoofing AP. You are none the wiser, and they have downloaded some potentially damaging info (ie credit card info).

If you are thinking about wireless, the security piece has to be in place. Sorry if I am sounding paranoid, but in urban areas, it's a must.
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I'm a lot less worried about that scenerio.

I'm not entirely sure how one would even spoof the access point IP and still retain the net connection out of there.

In the end, where I live it is a moot point anyway, but yes, in NYC or Boston it is a big deal to look for open points. They are all over - and even if you use WEC, it is easy to break - or at least it used to be - haven't looked into it much lately.

And Code - what cable is it faster than?
 
FreeballinDC said:


An even worse scenario. Somebody breaks into your connection, and mimics your AP address. Then their laptop spoofs your PC into thinking it is talking to the original AP. All the while your PC is transferring all sorts of good data to the spoofing AP. You are none the wiser, and they have downloaded some potentially damaging info (ie credit card info).

If you are thinking about wireless, the security piece has to be in place. Sorry if I am sounding paranoid, but in urban areas, it's a must.
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Not likely at all.

Just activate MAC authentication. Since most wireless routers have it.

Yeah, spoofing a mac address is easy, but getting ithe right one isn't.
 
NoDaddyNo said:


I'm a lot less worried about that scenerio.

I'm not entirely sure how one would even spoof the access point IP and still retain the net connection out of there.

In the end, where I live it is a moot point anyway, but yes, in NYC or Boston it is a big deal to look for open points. They are all over - and even if you use WEC, it is easy to break - or at least it used to be - haven't looked into it much lately.

And Code - what cable is it faster than?
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I'll get back to you on the spoofing.

The IEEE is working on an improved version of WEP, but it's not supposed to be ready until mid next year. That time frame could change, depending on the ratification process.

In any case, I'd still run another kind of security on top of WEP, just for CYA situations.
 
NoDaddyNo said:


I'm not entirely sure how one would even spoof the access point IP and still retain the net connection out of there.
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You can't. It's layer 2, there is no IP. It's all ARP tables.

Well, you *could*. But there's no way you can get that unless you were on the inside of the router anyway.

I mean you can steal ARP tables, but again, you need to be *inside* the LAN.
 
I can't get "g" to work.

I had zero problems with finding the wireless network with "B"

Everything installed right, but it can't find the network...fuck!
 
Did you get a new G card?
Did you get a new G router?
Any of the previous hardware leftover?
Does your OS recognize that it is a new card there?
 
Is there anything in the OS leftover from the previous isntallation?

I have a laptop here next to me that shits itself if it sees that it could either choose a built in cable connection or a built in wirelss connection.
I went in and disalbed the wireless one and then it worked fine.
(I would have thought it was try to bridge them actually if they were both present, but maybe you can't do that over two different connection types, don't know).

What hardware for the router and the card did you get, what OS, and what computer?
 
NoDaddyNo said:
Is there anything in the OS leftover from the previous isntallation?

I have a laptop here next to me that shits itself if it sees that it could either choose a built in cable connection or a built in wirelss connection.
I went in and disalbed the wireless one and then it worked fine.
(I would have thought it was try to bridge them actually if they were both present, but maybe you can't do that over two different connection types, don't know).

What hardware for the router and the card did you get, what OS, and what computer?
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I completely reformatted my cpu and started fresh.

There's no built in wireless, so no disabling.

Router=Linksys wireless-G Broadband router.

Notebook adapter= Linksys wireless-G

windows XP

Laptop= HP ze4420us

Everything installs fine, card is working, but no wireless network found.

Bump if your still around.
 
TC2 said:


I completely reformatted my cpu and started fresh.
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That's your problem right there. How do you reformat a cpu anyway?
 
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